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pks391

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Dear All,
I have a huge problem in my life which is really setting me back in terms of keeping deeper relationships and that is my inability to make proper facial expressions and voice tones. Even when i am trying to convey a certain emotion it comes across as angry and arrogant.
Anybody know any place where i can use the information to work on changing this?
Help would be much appreciated :)
 

Drck

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"Even when i am trying to convey a certain emotion it comes across as angry and arrogant"

Not sure what you mean by "proper facial expressions". Sour face? :)

1. Meditation and relaxation. When you are relaxed it is difficult or perhaps impossible to be angry and arogant. Note that arrogance to some degree may not be that bad. Relaxation should give you not only relaxed (duh) and neutral-to-positive face but also positive mood

2. Don't try to force yourself to somebody you are not, e.g. speak with your natural voice. You can relax while speaking, speak (breath) from your stomach. Make sure that your chest vibrates while you are talking. Practice, e.g. control the rate of your speach while reading some text aloud
 

pks391

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Drck said:
"Even when i am trying to convey a certain emotion it comes across as angry and arrogant"

Not sure what you mean by "proper facial expressions". Sour face? :)

1. Meditation and relaxation. When you are relaxed it is difficult or perhaps impossible to be angry and arogant. Note that arrogance to some degree may not be that bad. Relaxation should give you not only relaxed (duh) and neutral-to-positive face but also positive mood

2. Don't try to force yourself to somebody you are not, e.g. speak with your natural voice. You can relax while speaking, speak (breath) from your stomach. Make sure that your chest vibrates while you are talking. Practice, e.g. control the rate of your speach while reading some text aloud

I have a resting bitch face actually and I am trying to work upon it. That resting face which is Stuck in pokerface mode I my default way of speaking in all conversations. That is what I am trying to improve upon.
 

Drck

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Remember, most of human communication is nonverbal, it probably depends on more factors but some say that communication is nonverbal even Up to 90%... in other words, what you say is not that important, what is important is how you say it and your overall body language...

Personally I believe that girls are very good at reading body language, they see many details that guys don't even have a clue about...

For practical purposes, the girl you approach (actually people in general) read your body language and make some impressions about you before you even start talking to her.

My personal opinion is that at first it doesn't really matter much what you say, she simply analyzes your body language and makes some sort of predictions about your personality. She decides whether you are attractive enough to give you a chance, or not right there... What you say at that time matters only in 10%... As the time goes and she gets to knows you better, she also starts analyzing what you say. What you say then becomes more and more important, she can also collect many clues about your life just the way you talking, things you are talking about and so forth... e.g. you may be thinking that you are telling her some cool story what happened in college, yet she is analyzing your childhood, analyzing why you tell her that particular story in this particular situation and so forth...

Which is actually quite amazing, I believe that a girl that is really into you can read your overall life very well, I've personally experienced unbelievable depth of such analysis in just a few days... in other words, she simply knows much more about you than you think, or than you even willing to accept... This can be good for you, but it can also turn against you, especially if you are not congruent (if you pretend that you are a cool dude who sleeps with many girls, yet the reality is that you sit home and play video games while not having any friends, she will simply find out in no time, and will behave accordingly by dumping your ass on the spot...)

So congruence is very important. Which means focusing on your facial expression doesn't have as much value. As a matter of fact, I believe that keeping poker face is quite good because she can't read what you think or feel in particular situation, but again, it all depends on your underlying personality....

Just to use analogy to make it simple, the way you look and things you say are very important at time you meet her as she is creating impression about you, but as the time goes and she gets to known you better, she will try to read your overall underlying personality... Your facial expression (your sexy looks, walks, sexy smiles, attempts to show dominance by taking more space, your attempts for deeper voice and so forth) will become only a tip of an iceberg, but she will be looking at what is underneath, she will be looking at the 90% of iceberg that is below the sea level - not how you physically appear but what is your underlying personality....

Again, congruence matters because if you show things on a surface that are not true below the sea levels, she will find out, and many times she will find out very fast, virtually on the spot by e.g. Shit test...

So you have to be congruent, you want to have the same characteristics that appear on the surface below the sea level as well...

What does that mean in practice, in real life? It's not that difficult, it's actually quite simple. We men should be simple. For example, if you want to appear masculine, do simply masculine things. Lift weights, drive fast cars... make decisions about your life, stand your ground behind your decisions...

She will then test you: hey, this guy appears really masculine, he doesn't act like a pussy - but is he really that masculine as he appears? Let's throw some shit test at him, see if he caves in. She says: Hey, how about a date on Wednesday, that's the only day a week I have time off (but she knows she has no life, any day of a week is good for her). He answers: Oh, Wednesday is not a good idea, I got to go to fitness... Mo, We, and Fri are not good, but how about Thursay, is 6 pm good for you? Now she thinks: he is really determined, he goes to fitness for the past 3 years, he doesn't have time for me on Wednesday because he needs to go to fitness first... He prefers to go to fitness than on a date with me, wow, any other guy I know would rather drop the fitness and jump around what I say. This guy has a life, this guy is exciting, this guy doesn't cave to what I say! This guy is really masculine!

See what I am saying? In classical seduction you would have to think frames, you would have to analyze what is shit test and what not, how to reply to it, how to bust her shit tests cleverly... you would have to keep pretending that you are a masculine guy and so forth... You'd get entangled, you'd have to study seduction for 5 years and still have many deficiencies... Whereas you can be a simply man, simply masculine man - hey, I go to fitness on Mo, We and Fr, sorry, I have no time these days but Th at 6 is good.... No pretending, no need to create some artificial frames, no worrying what she says... you are just simply doing your masculine things, you are 100% real, you can never fail her shit test because you do as you appear, the effect is immediate, no need to stud crap for years... You are masculine because you do masculine things, and no woman on this planet will ever change it...

So focus on the underlying 90% of the iceberg, stop worrying about your poker face...

1. Fundamentals. Take good care of yoursel. Good clothes, good hygiene. Good body posture, solid look in other people's eyes
2. Fitness. Lift heavy/heavier weights, put some muscle mass on. do some martial arts. Eat well, steak, eggs and bacon are great...
3. Relax, Meditate. Improve your mood, learn to be more positive about life. Read about spirituality, expand your horizons of current knowledge...
4. Get your career shit together. Women like guys who make money, you don't have to be a millionaire but
You want to have good income so you can efford to live in good place, drive good car and go to different places. You will never get classy and quality girl if you don't have good carrier/income
5. Have friends. Who cares if they are superficial? 2-3 closer friends are good, 20-30 guys you know around, 100-200 FB "friends"... Make some girl friends, you don't have to sleep with every pass you you talk to... good enough...
6. Have some goals in your life, know what you want to do. DO things, don't just sit home and play games or jerk off...
7. Just talk to people, just talk to girls... No need to try seduce every girl that look nice, no need to keep throwing dominance or sexiness around, you are just a casual person like everyone else - just talk to her, simple and superficial things are good - who cares? ... good vibes, is she excited? Good, maybe ask her for a date or number, if she likes you she won't hesitate, is she likes you she will hand you her number without you asking for to.... Casual talk, she's building too much resistance, throwing her BF around? Who gives a damn, smile, walk away, it's just a talk, no need to see her panties tonight...

Simple, easy, straight forward,... manly, masculine, decisive... no harsh feelings, no rejections, no headaches by overanalyzing what pussy says or does - who cares what pussy says or does? Pussy is to be fucked, not analyzed or worried about... no need to study seduction either, just do your manly things and the girls will seek you out...

90% of iceberg done - who cares about the rest 10%????


Who gives a damn about other things?
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers
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