Need help with club game

[Sub-Zero]

So I've been problenlm clubs for a few years and have had good and bad times. My good times all the girls want me, bad times, none at all. I go to this one club a lot because it's the biggest one I've been too and you can move around a lot.

Thing is that this club has nothing but attention whores as with any club, but you have attention whores that you wouldn't approach in the day light without makeup trying to think they're something when they're not shit, you have lesbians, pretend lesbians that just dance with their man, couples, and very few single women, which you can guess aren't attractive at all.

I keep going to finally beat this shit and get a lay from this club, but this shit is like a maze combined with a rubix cube, I'm still just getting back into the scene and I'm shaking off rust.

I feel I have great fundamentals compared to the other guys, but the girls would rather waste men's time in the club by being there trying to get ego boost from guys that wouldn't even talk to them outside (literally!!)

My main problem now is that girls aren't giving me good feedback at all, I do the tap Chase talks about, sometime I forget to look away, and when they turn around they look at me and then turn around.

So I'm stuck right there, I feel that they're just doing this for an ego boost, but it makes me angry because I feel like they're trying to play me and I want to straight up curse them out.

But I Was Wondering how Can I get Initial Attraction From Girls When I Open them at clubs? They're not giving me any chances and are just turning their backs on me, fuck them!!

 

[Mr.Rob]

Hey Sub-Zero,

Can you write a field report up on this outing or the next outing you go to the club. Pretty hard to tell why you might be getting this response without more details man.

My guess is your not coming in strong enough and are doing a kind "half approach" which typically gives the response your talking about most commonly. Might not be the case but that's just my guess based on what you wrote.

Lastly man I know it sucks when you approach girls and they don't pay you much respect back but dude that's club game for you if your not 100% on your A-game. When you get those responses you can't get mad at anybody but yourself dawg.

If anything you should be thanking those girls because their telling you (without actually telling you) that your game isn't 100% on point and you need to make some adjustments.

You gotta swallow that pride and put the ego aside if you want to make progress in this game. But you already know that

 

[Sub-Zero]

When I write field reports no one says shit ever. There really isn't much I could write about this outing.

The first girl was so fine, I was not even going to try to do anything with her, I thought she would reject me fast, but I stepped put my comfort zone and when she was shaking her ass and grabbed her waist and she did the turn around look and looked away.

I wasn't even going to make a move because I thought she would be boogie, I had to really fight my fear on that one, so that approach was all I can do.

I felt that asking her how her night was would be no better, I felt with her you needed to show more confidence and aggressiveness so I thought I did something ok.

She was the finest girl in the club.

What would you recommend I do?

I also feel like a lame because I feel like to get these girls you need to have bottle service, etc. Even Chase said that the man with no vip or connections is the lowest on the totem pole, so I'm thinking why am I going out so many nights if I'm low status in the club ?

Also I've been going out alone a lot now and it feels good to be back in the game talking to you guys, glad you stayed around Rob, you give good advice?

Hey Sub-Zero,

Can you write a field report up on this outing or the next outing you go to the club. Pretty hard to tell why you might be getting this response without more details man.

My guess is your not coming in strong enough and are doing a kind "half approach" which typically gives the response your talking about most commonly. Might not be the case but that's just my guess based on what you wrote.

Lastly man I know it sucks when you approach girls and they don't pay you much respect back but dude that's club game for you if your not 100% on your A-game. When you get those responses you can't get mad at anybody but yourself dawg.

If anything you should be thanking those girls because their telling you (without actually telling you) that your game isn't 100% on point and you need to make some adjustments.

You gotta swallow that pride and put the ego aside if you want to make progress in this game. But you already know that

 

[Hue]

Sub,


Could you post the link to one of your FR's? I can't find them anywhere.

Also with the interaction you described, it sounds like you could have eased your way into it in a more calibrated fashion, like slowly dancing near / around her before leading her into you and dancing with her. Going for the waste grab as the first interaction CAN work (I've done it and seen it done) but it's ballsier and more polarizing. She might have just not been interested, hence the looking at you before looking away (she was checking you out).


Clubs are a numbers game, especially big ones amigo. Was she the only girl you went for?

I get that you might have been not on your game, but as I've seen many times pushing through and simply trying to open more girls can get you the results you want.


Hue

 

[Sub-Zero]

Been a long time ago man, I might have had a different login maybe. But it was years ago and I got zero feedback.

Like I said, I felt this chick was so fine she wouldn't give me play, but I had to do something, she wasn't facing me so I didn't wanna say anything to her with her back to me, so I just did the waist grab.

Should I feel bad that she looked to check me out and looked away ? I just ignored it, but idk. I'm at the best I can be a fundamentals now while I work on other things and I know I'm not perfect, but kind of sucks.

I did this move to another girl, she was very eh, and I was lazy with her, she was around me so I just did it, she did the same thing too that the fine girl did.

But these same girls weren't dancing with anyone they just tried to look cute and be bitches.

My fundamentals are pretty good imo, I have been always complemented on my physique, posture, looks, fashion, etc.

They can be better, but I still gotta get there.

So what can I do to stop these look aways? It's Like they really tryna play me and I don't like it.

Sub,


Could you post the link to one of your FR's? I can't find them anywhere.

Also with the interaction you described, it sounds like you could have eased your way into it in a more calibrated fashion, like slowly dancing near / around her before leading her into you and dancing with her. Going for the waste grab as the first interaction CAN work (I've done it and seen it done) but it's ballsier and more polarizing. She might have just not been interested, hence the looking at you before looking away (she was checking you out).


Clubs are a numbers game, especially big ones amigo. Was she the only girl you went for?

I get that you might have been not on your game, but as I've seen many times pushing through and simply trying to open more girls can get you the results you want.


Hue

 

[Hue]

Okay well I strongly suggest you take heed to Rob's advice. There are many guys currently active on the boards that would be more than happy give you feedback, provided you write in enough detail in reports, including myself.


So you approached two girls and called it a night - what if the 5th, 6th, or 10th girl you went for was down for what you were throwing down? That'd make your ratio at least 10%, using the waist grab tactic.

Or let's say you tried that tactic on 20 girls that night and EVERY single one of them looked at you and rejected you for whatever reason, then turned away, what would that tell you? It would tell me that I'm either doing this tactic wrong, or I should try something else that does give me better results. Your n size is too low for you to actually know, brotha.


Yes, your fundamentals can always be better. I was getting decent results around this time last year, but around the last few months have reached new heights in part because I kept improving things with my style, fitness, and body language in addition to analyzing my game and going out all the time. Keep working on ALL of your fundamentals (passive & active) no matter what.

So what can I do to stop these look aways? It's Like they really tryna play me and I don't like it.

But these same girls weren't dancing with anyone they just tried to look cute and be bitches.

Well first I would recognize that yes, girls in the club very well might be trying to play you for your attention, and they are indeed doing their best to look as attractive as possible, a lot of times being bitches to test guys' frames. It's how it is. Sometimes it's hard to accept that because it's annoying, inconvenient, and incongruent with how you might want it, believe me, I get it.

It's your job to play smarter and become familiar with their games, then tweak your own approaches to beat them at their own game. That's why girlschase is here, that's why and how thousands of guys dedicate hours and hours getting experience, analyzing their experience, then going back out and trying new things. But you already know this, don't you?



Hue

 

[Mr.Rob]

Sub Z,

Heed Hue's advice. I think your just shaking some rust off and need more at bats some failure some success and you'll stop taking it all so personally.

When I was going out consistently back in the day I'd always get 2-3 hard blow outs on any given night if I was really pushing things. My thought was like if I go approach 20 sets and 19 of those 20 women are like "fuck you get lost misogynistic scum" and that 1 out of 20 girl's eyes widen like Bambi and she thinks I'm the way the truth and the light Im totally OK with that and would prefer that over a 10 girls who think Im kinda cool and other 10 that give me polite and respectful rejections.

As Hue aptly points out it aint about one girls reaction to you and gotta look at the big picture.

One girls judgement call of knowing you for 3 seconds is not something to take into consideration of evaluating your self worth. It means nothing about YOU but its just feed back telling you to readjust your approach.

You say your fundamentals are good so if thats the case you just need to tweak your approach. Write up field reports detailing the specifics of your approach/conversation and we'll help you get your game right.

If no one replys PM me or I'm sure Hue would be happy to help if you ask as well and we'll drop whatever wisdom we have for ya. But ya gotta get your numbers up and not take any one interaction personally.

You've already made good strides just getting out of the house and meeting some girls, thats the hardest part and you already successfully did that. Be proud and keep the momentum going.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Got you. I'll work on approaching more.

Okay well I strongly suggest you take heed to Rob's advice. There are many guys currently active on the boards that would be more than happy give you feedback, provided you write in enough detail in reports, including myself.


So you approached two girls and called it a night - what if the 5th, 6th, or 10th girl you went for was down for what you were throwing down? That'd make your ratio at least 10%, using the waist grab tactic.

Or let's say you tried that tactic on 20 girls that night and EVERY single one of them looked at you and rejected you for whatever reason, then turned away, what would that tell you? It would tell me that I'm either doing this tactic wrong, or I should try something else that does give me better results. Your n size is too low for you to actually know, brotha.


Yes, your fundamentals can always be better. I was getting decent results around this time last year, but around the last few months have reached new heights in part because I kept improving things with my style, fitness, and body language in addition to analyzing my game and going out all the time. Keep working on ALL of your fundamentals (passive & active) no matter what.

So what can I do to stop these look aways? It's Like they really tryna play me and I don't like it.

But these same girls weren't dancing with anyone they just tried to look cute and be bitches.

Well first I would recognize that yes, girls in the club very well might be trying to play you for your attention, and they are indeed doing their best to look as attractive as possible, a lot of times being bitches to test guys' frames. It's how it is. Sometimes it's hard to accept that because it's annoying, inconvenient, and incongruent with how you might want it, believe me, I get it.

It's your job to play smarter and become familiar with their games, then tweak your own approaches to beat them at their own game. That's why girlschase is here, that's why and how thousands of guys dedicate hours and hours getting experience, analyzing their experience, then going back out and trying new things. But you already know this, don't you?



Hue

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks man.

Sub Z,

Heed Hue's advice. I think your just shaking some rust off and need more at bats some failure some success and you'll stop taking it all so personally.

When I was going out consistently back in the day I'd always get 2-3 hard blow outs on any given night if I was really pushing things. My thought was like if I go approach 20 sets and 19 of those 20 women are like "fuck you get lost misogynistic scum" and that 1 out of 20 girl's eyes widen like Bambi and she thinks I'm the way the truth and the light Im totally OK with that and would prefer that over a 10 girls who think Im kinda cool and other 10 that give me polite and respectful rejections.

As Hue aptly points out it aint about one girls reaction to you and gotta look at the big picture.

One girls judgement call of knowing you for 3 seconds is not something to take into consideration of evaluating your self worth. It means nothing about YOU but its just feed back telling you to readjust your approach.

You say your fundamentals are good so if thats the case you just need to tweak your approach. Write up field reports detailing the specifics of your approach/conversation and we'll help you get your game right.

If no one replys PM me or I'm sure Hue would be happy to help if you ask as well and we'll drop whatever wisdom we have for ya. But ya gotta get your numbers up and not take any one interaction personally.

You've already made good strides just getting out of the house and meeting some girls, thats the hardest part and you already successfully did that. Be proud and keep the momentum going.