Need Some Serious Help Guys

[Sub-Zero]

Hey guys,

Lately my mind has been fucked, I have been in a depressive state the past year and it's gotten worse. The last few years have been very stagnant and as I've gotten older I've become more depressed with life. I had to quit my job years ago because of bullshit, and have only had crappy job offers since. I can't live on these low jobs I'm getting, so now I'm in debt and don't even feel any woman would want me in this state, you might say take time to find a job and make some money so you don't feel that way, but this has been going on for years, I can't put it off anymore, but at the same time I can't do much to get women without having any money. I can't even go to the fuckin club multiple times a week because of not having money.

Since this has been going on for so long, I've been going literally crazy and feel like I fucked up in life and missed all of the opportunities that I had before, and I should give up my goals and give up life. Women my age expect you to have money and a career by now, I'm like a grown ass kid, I did everything I could to save money and worked many crappy jobs, but I can't anymore.

I'm just trying to get my money right and sleep with 100s of women. I'm learning skills, and taking courses to make some money, but I can't wait until I have these things because I missed out on years of approaching trying to better myself, but coming up short because of jobs. I need to approach now, I need women now.

My question is how can I continue my quest of sleeping with 100s of women while I'm in this depressive broken state? I'm starting to get doubts of even accomplishing it and being too old to even fulfill it and I should give up and get with the first girl I can and quit the game. I won't be happy doing this, but how can I even achieve this as a grown man?


I'm so out of it and I'm not some teenager, I should have a career now and some money. I can't possible see myself doing well at all without having a career. I can't wait until I get a job because I've been trying for years. So I have to approach now, but I feel like absolute shit and I don't need that to show. I'm stuck guys and would really appreciate all the help.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Sub-Zero,

Break your goals into small.
And if you can't feel like you can achieve it,
you break the goals into more and more small.
Even like walking to the fridge is a goal.

IT's stupid to society but they themselves are not successful, and that is some freedom knowing that people are idiots, in general.

Zac

 

[Mr.Rob]

Sub-Zero,

I think we've talked before but a few perspectives for you.

I need to approach now, I need women now.

No you don't. You never "need" women.

I'm just trying to get my money right and sleep with 100s of women.

Why? ... Why do you want to get your money right? Why do you want to sleep with 100's of women?

I'm learning skills, and taking courses to make some money, but I can't wait until I have these things because I missed out on years of approaching trying to better myself, but coming up short because of jobs.

That's good your learning new monetizable skills to get your finances straight but dude you've got to meet yourself where you are.

OK you've missed out on some opportunities and experiences in life, that's tough shit you can't go back in time and you can't magically wisk a wand and *poof* your life from a 1/10 to a 10/10. You have to accept you missed the mark and you have to stop resisting being in your current position and accept where you are.

Ok you missed out on some life experiences. Cool, somewhere in china there's a guy who's been working in a sweatshop from age 6 until age 40 and then he dies from asbestos exposure, I'm sure he and 150 million of his closest sweatshop colleagues are probably missing out on quite a few life experiences as well but who cares?

You have to force yourself to take a long term perspective on your life (2-5 years from now visions) and accept that given your situation ANYONE that was in the same situation it would take ANYONE roughly 2-5 years to build a really awesome life. Just accept that as a fact. You can't change it and the FASTEST way to get what you want is to commit to the process/journey and walk the path of building an 10/10 life.

Focus on handling one major life pillar at a time (i.e. Finances, women, relationships, travel, health, etc) and put all your effort into that one area until its satisfactorily handled. Then put that on maintenance and handle the next major life pillar.

For you it seems like the thing you need to get handled most is probably a dependable financial situation that will get you out of living in poverty and debt once and for all. Maybe that's learning digital marketing, or sales (good sales people are always in demand), or coding/programming and, or plumbing, or whatever is something thats in high demand that you can eventually make a good salary doing (imo that's at least $100,000+ a year once you get GOOD at said skill). Once you get to the point where you get some good skills built up and your not stressed about anything financially related (say that takes you 2 years) THEN you can get to work on handling your women problem and you'll have the energetic resources to address that situation.

Stop comparing your lack of life amazing life experiences to others people and just choose to setup an awesome life starting today so that 5 years from now you'll be able to have ANY awesome life experience you choose. But you have to be willing to set aside all the bullshit comparison shit and go through a period of less than amazing boring life experiences to set yourself up so you can have a really awesome life 5 years from now.

In other words "Live like no one else today so you can live like NO one else 5 years from now".

You probably won't like that option but the thing is ITS YOUR ONLY OPTION dude. Its either do what I outlined (or a similar version of it) or commit suicide. Those are your 2 options. Option 1 however has a much greater chance of a wonderfully bright future, so choose that option

Lastly though its going to suck putting your nose to the grindstone and sucking it up to fix this mess you'll find that once your on the journey and you start seeing some progress in an core area of life your working on you'll find yourself to enjoy the journey because you see yourself getting closer to that 5 year vision you have for yourself and you start tasting bits and pieces of that end outcome. You'll then find that the journey is just as pleasurable as the destination, and that's a powerful thing.

Good luck,
-Rob

P.S. See Chase's response to the 1st comment on this article (and also read the article if you haven't already): https://www.girlschase.com/content/12-things-every-man-should-have-handled-age-35

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks man.

Sub-Zero,

Break your goals into small.
And if you can't feel like you can achieve it,
you break the goals into more and more small.
Even like walking to the fridge is a goal.

IT's stupid to society but they themselves are not successful, and that is some freedom knowing that people are idiots, in general.

Zac

 

[Sub-Zero]

What would you recommend with women ? There's no way I can put getting better with women on the back burner for anoter few years. I got out the game because it was annoying, but I regret that. I will continue to work on myself, but I have no confidence in my abilities to pick up women because I don't have a decent job. You have any advice on still getting good with women while I work towards these financial goals? How do I not let my Financials stop me from getting these women. I think everyone including you would think that approaching women no matter what is better than not, I remember chase saying that men build their nest instead of getting better with women, which they still suck, so they still need the skill set, which I need, I just need to find a way to get past my financial mental block to get women regardless.

I'm also depressed because I have extremely low math skills and that makes near impossible to do stem or other careers like accounting or finance because they require math to get a degree in. I also worked my ass off to learn math, but I kept failing the class and if you keep failing a class, you can't just keep taking it, you get kicked out after your 3rd try. So I actually tried hard for math to get a degree in something solid, but couldn't, so now I'm thinking what career can I do now? How can I get a respectable job with no math skills at all?

Then that also blends in with women, how can I get women when I'm older without a good career? I have no idea how I can have a good career. I don't even feel I can do good on my own with any self learned skills or businesses because of my terrible math skills.


Right now I'm at the point where I feel no woman would want me because of my financial situation, I don't know how to get over that.


To answer your questions:

I want to get my money right to live a better life, pay off debt, take care of the fam.

I want to sleep with over 100s of women because I want to get this skill down and it seems that 100 would be a good number of lays.


Thanks for responding to me.

Sub-Zero,

I think we've talked before but a few perspectives for you.

I need to approach now, I need women now.

No you don't. You never "need" women.

I'm just trying to get my money right and sleep with 100s of women.

Why? ... Why do you want to get your money right? Why do you want to sleep with 100's of women?

I'm learning skills, and taking courses to make some money, but I can't wait until I have these things because I missed out on years of approaching trying to better myself, but coming up short because of jobs.

That's good your learning new monetizable skills to get your finances straight but dude you've got to meet yourself where you are.

OK you've missed out on some opportunities and experiences in life, that's tough shit you can't go back in time and you can't magically wisk a wand and *poof* your life from a 1/10 to a 10/10. You have to accept you missed the mark and you have to stop resisting being in your current position and accept where you are.

Ok you missed out on some life experiences. Cool, somewhere in china there's a guy who's been working in a sweatshop from age 6 until age 40 and then he dies from asbestos exposure, I'm sure he and 150 million of his closest sweatshop colleagues are probably missing out on quite a few life experiences as well but who cares?

You have to force yourself to take a long term perspective on your life (2-5 years from now visions) and accept that given your situation ANYONE that was in the same situation it would take ANYONE roughly 2-5 years to build a really awesome life. Just accept that as a fact. You can't change it and the FASTEST way to get what you want is to commit to the process/journey and walk the path of building an 10/10 life.

Focus on handling one major life pillar at a time (i.e. Finances, women, relationships, travel, health, etc) and put all your effort into that one area until its satisfactorily handled. Then put that on maintenance and handle the next major life pillar.

For you it seems like the thing you need to get handled most is probably a dependable financial situation that will get you out of living in poverty and debt once and for all. Maybe that's learning digital marketing, or sales (good sales people are always in demand), or coding/programming and, or plumbing, or whatever is something thats in high demand that you can eventually make a good salary doing (imo that's at least $100,000+ a year once you get GOOD at said skill). Once you get to the point where you get some good skills built up and your not stressed about anything financially related (say that takes you 2 years) THEN you can get to work on handling your women problem and you'll have the energetic resources to address that situation.

Stop comparing your lack of life amazing life experiences to others people and just choose to setup an awesome life starting today so that 5 years from now you'll be able to have ANY awesome life experience you choose. But you have to be willing to set aside all the bullshit comparison shit and go through a period of less than amazing boring life experiences to set yourself up so you can have a really awesome life 5 years from now.

In other words "Live like no one else today so you can live like NO one else 5 years from now".

You probably won't like that option but the thing is ITS YOUR ONLY OPTION dude. Its either do what I outlined (or a similar version of it) or commit suicide. Those are your 2 options. Option 1 however has a much greater chance of a wonderfully bright future, so choose that option

Lastly though its going to suck putting your nose to the grindstone and sucking it up to fix this mess you'll find that once your on the journey and you start seeing some progress in an core area of life your working on you'll find yourself to enjoy the journey because you see yourself getting closer to that 5 year vision you have for yourself and you start tasting bits and pieces of that end outcome. You'll then find that the journey is just as pleasurable as the destination, and that's a powerful thing.

Good luck,
-Rob

P.S. See Chase's response to the 1st comment on this article (and also read the article if you haven't already): https://www.girlschase.com/content/12-things-every-man-should-have-handled-age-35

 

[Cacc]

SZ,

https://youtu.be/bmav517MQJc

 

[Mr.Rob]

What would you recommend with women ? There's no way I can put getting better with women on the back burner for anoter few years.

Why not? Its just a few years and then you'll have all the time in the world to focus on women. Your vision is too short term and narrow.

Also I'm not saying don't talk to girls during this period. I'm saying put 110% of your focus into getting your financial/career situation handled and if you have a few hours here and there to go out for a cheap night on the town or a cool daytime mixer then go for it. But you can't do both career and mega pimp 100 girls and expect to get good results there just isn't enough hours in the day.

I'm also depressed because I have extremely low math skills and that makes near impossible to do stem or other careers like accounting or finance because they require math to get a degree in. I also worked my ass off to learn math, but I kept failing the class and if you keep failing a class, you can't just keep taking it, you get kicked out after your 3rd try. So I actually tried hard for math to get a degree in something solid, but couldn't, so now I'm thinking what career can I do now? How can I get a respectable job with no math skills at all?

What? Then do a career that doesn't require math!

Teach yourself how to do coding/programming online or how to do search engine optimization or other form of digital marketing (you can teach it to yourself for almost free if your smart). Get a sales job and learn sales! Holy shit any illiterate moron that can talk to people and stomach rejection can learn sales and easily be making $40K+ their first year in sales if they're motivated. Or if that's not your thing learn a trade! Learn how to be a plumber or become a landscaper and cut grass for a living (note good tradesmen easily make $100K+ a year).

My dad got laid off in the recession of '08 and literally bought a $250 lawnmower and started mowing people's grass and instantly started making $50 an hour with zero experience. Now he works 20 hours a week and makes $100 an hour and turns down new business.

You don't need a degree to get a good career that makes money and you definitely don't need to know math. That's ridiculous.

Right now I'm at the point where I feel no woman would want me because of my financial situation, I don't know how to get over that.

How many times has the seduction community debunked the myth of needing a career/money to get girls?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/will-nice-car-and-good-job-get-you-laid
http://www.rooshv.com/dont-let-anyone-tell-you-that-you-need-money-to-get-laid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTBb0K7k8U

Right now I'm at the point where I feel no woman would want me because of my financial situation, I don't know how to get over that.

Then don't discuss your financial situation with the girls your dating. There's no reason they need to know

I want to sleep with over 100s of women because I want to get this skill down and it seems that 100 would be a good number of lays.

No one needs to sleep with 100 women to get this skill down. You can get consistently get the skill down in 10-15 lays.

You seem to have these huge unrealistic grand ambitions which is important but you probably would be best served making some very simple short terms practical goals for yourself at this stage. Goals like "I'm going to reach out to 10 people with xyz career and ask them to coffee to see how I can get started in learning xyz new skill for a career" OR for seduction "I'm going to approach 5 new girls tonight and ask each girl I approach for their number".

Thanks for responding to me.

No problem man. Your in a rough spot right now, we've all been there at some point.

Your biggest stuff to overcome is to accept your probably aways away from making good money and getting girls consistently. That's just where you are. You have to force yourself to take a long term perspective and everyday you wake up make that .01% progress towards that vision. That's how you make progress .01% at a time and over a LONG period of time it adds up to 100%. There's no shortcuts.

Submit yourself to the process or otherwise you'll be back on the boards a year from now in the same situation not having made any progress in life. Don't let that happen. Take responsibility. Take command. Do something everyday that moves you that much closer to your vision.

You have a bad beginning to this story but you can write a good ending.

-Rob

 

[Sub-Zero]

1. I put my focus on getting better with women on the back burner for the past 3 years. That's why I'm in this hurry up now rush state. I put off getting women too long, you know what I mean right? You don't feel putting women off for more years won't ruin my game more? I know I can't focus on both 100% but I can't treat girls as a hobby anymore, I have treated them as a hobby and I didn't get as good as I wanted because I didn't take it seriously, I did the go out once or twice a week to get girls, I never focused on actually making this like a workout where I have set days I go out to specifically learn game and bed women. That's what I mean.

I agree I can't do both 110%, but I still need to make more of an attempt to get better than going out here or there. I honestly would feel bad If I let anymore time go by without getting noticeably better. Think there's a way I could still get better with women while focusing 110% on my career?

2. I thought programming you had to be good at math? At least that's what I read on online forums from people who code. Those people are the reason I give up. I figured they would no more than me because they're in the field. What do you think I could do in the now term tho with career while I work on these skills? I need something I can feel good with making money now to pay bills while I learn my skills or trade. It doesn't have to be a whole lot of money, I could try sales, is that a respectable job? You got any other ideas on what I could do now for work or money that would be respectable enough fto women while I grind on making more money ?

3. I know I don't have to tell the women what I do, it's just hard to have the confidence to pick chick's up being broke. It's like the feeling and I don't want it to show. Then if they tell me they do some professional kind of job it'll show that I feel some type of way in my body language or something, and If I don't show It I'll still feel some type of way.

It's hard hearing a girl is a nurse and you can barely get a job, how could she want me?

Even with younger college women, how can I feel like I can get them if they might be doing better than me? They might even be going for some good degree or they might have a decent job while in school. How can they want me?

That's the problem I have with the career thing, how can I not let that affect me mentally while I still approach women ?


4. The 100 women thing is more of a personal goal. I've slept with over 10 women already, I still don't feel good at this at all. Unless you mean 10 off cold approach. I still wanna sleep with 100 girls tho for myself, I don't expect it to come fast, but I want to get there before I get any older.

5. I know things take time and I shouldn't rush, but I'm in that mindstate because I haven't progressed much at all in many years. Im educated and can't even get a decent job at all. I can't even find full time work for anything. And I've been looking for years so I could at least pay off my debt. I could have been debt free after working some crappy jobs, but me not finding a job has put me into more debt and made me more crazy. That's why I'm like I need to do this quick because I've been trying the slow route and nothing has helped.

6. I'm also dealing with the society expectations. You know where you're supposed to have a career wife and kids. You're not supposed to be sleeping around and you can't get women if you're older unless you have a lot of money, a good career, or good game, if you start late with game you might as well give up because it won't get better, etc. I won't lie these thought affect me and make me doubt myself. So that is another reason why I kind of go crazy.

I know it's a lot, but I had a lot on my kind and figured I'd just share what I was going through.

You been a great help man and I appreciate you taking the time to help me.

What would you recommend with women ? There's no way I can put getting better with women on the back burner for anoter few years.

Why not? Its just a few years and then you'll have all the time in the world to focus on women. Your vision is too short term and narrow.

Also I'm not saying don't talk to girls during this period. I'm saying put 110% of your focus into getting your financial/career situation handled and if you have a few hours here and there to go out for a cheap night on the town or a cool daytime mixer then go for it. But you can't do both career and mega pimp 100 girls and expect to get good results there just isn't enough hours in the day.

I'm also depressed because I have extremely low math skills and that makes near impossible to do stem or other careers like accounting or finance because they require math to get a degree in. I also worked my ass off to learn math, but I kept failing the class and if you keep failing a class, you can't just keep taking it, you get kicked out after your 3rd try. So I actually tried hard for math to get a degree in something solid, but couldn't, so now I'm thinking what career can I do now? How can I get a respectable job with no math skills at all?

What? Then do a career that doesn't require math!

Teach yourself how to do coding/programming online or how to do search engine optimization or other form of digital marketing (you can teach it to yourself for almost free if your smart). Get a sales job and learn sales! Holy shit any illiterate moron that can talk to people and stomach rejection can learn sales and easily be making $40K+ their first year in sales if they're motivated. Or if that's not your thing learn a trade! Learn how to be a plumber or become a landscaper and cut grass for a living (note good tradesmen easily make $100K+ a year).

My dad got laid off in the recession of '08 and literally bought a $250 lawnmower and started mowing people's grass and instantly started making $50 an hour with zero experience. Now he works 20 hours a week and makes $100 an hour and turns down new business.

You don't need a degree to get a good career that makes money and you definitely don't need to know math. That's ridiculous.

Right now I'm at the point where I feel no woman would want me because of my financial situation, I don't know how to get over that.

How many times has the seduction community debunked the myth of needing a career/money to get girls?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/will-nice-car-and-good-job-get-you-laid
http://www.rooshv.com/dont-let-anyone-tell-you-that-you-need-money-to-get-laid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTBb0K7k8U

Right now I'm at the point where I feel no woman would want me because of my financial situation, I don't know how to get over that.

Then don't discuss your financial situation with the girls your dating. There's no reason they need to know

I want to sleep with over 100s of women because I want to get this skill down and it seems that 100 would be a good number of lays.

No one needs to sleep with 100 women to get this skill down. You can get consistently get the skill down in 10-15 lays.

You seem to have these huge unrealistic grand ambitions which is important but you probably would be best served making some very simple short terms practical goals for yourself at this stage. Goals like "I'm going to reach out to 10 people with xyz career and ask them to coffee to see how I can get started in learning xyz new skill for a career" OR for seduction "I'm going to approach 5 new girls tonight and ask each girl I approach for their number".

Thanks for responding to me.

No problem man. Your in a rough spot right now, we've all been there at some point.

Your biggest stuff to overcome is to accept your probably aways away from making good money and getting girls consistently. That's just where you are. You have to force yourself to take a long term perspective and everyday you wake up make that .01% progress towards that vision. That's how you make progress .01% at a time and over a LONG period of time it adds up to 100%. There's no shortcuts.

Submit yourself to the process or otherwise you'll be back on the boards a year from now in the same situation not having made any progress in life. Don't let that happen. Take responsibility. Take command. Do something everyday that moves you that much closer to your vision.

You have a bad beginning to this story but you can write a good ending.

-Rob

 

[Mr.Rob]

Think there's a way I could still get better with women while focusing 110% on my career?

No. You can focus 80% on your career and 20% on women (or a variation of that) but you'll make slower progress in both and ultimately slower progress overall.

What do you think I could do in the now term tho with career while I work on these skills?

I'd personally buy a lawnmower and start knocking on doors OR get a sales job.

It doesn't have to be a whole lot of money, I could try sales, is that a respectable job? You got any other ideas on what I could do now for work or money that would be respectable enough fto women while I grind on making more money?

Fuck what any women thinks about your "occupation". If you think its cool and you can support yourself she'll think its cool.

That's the problem I have with the career thing, how can I not let that affect me mentally while I still approach women ?

If its a mental block for you then there is even more reason to get your career handled with urgency.

if you start late with game you might as well give up because it won't get better,

Your experiencing irrational self-doubt because your in an emotionally low place. Don't listen to your emotions.

You been a great help man and I appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Your welcome. Now go out there and make something happen man. The best way to get out of rut is just start taking action to do something to get the ball rolling.

-Rob

 

[Sub-Zero]

Yeah, I've been in this rut for so long because I've been depending on a job. I have realized that it is one of the most demoralizing things ever. You literally spend hours on filling out applications, and all you get is an email telling you they're not interested and only get call backs from jobs where you still can't make enough to live. That has been the story of my life the past few years with work. That's why I've been depressed for years because I've had no control over income, I am literally waiting to get hired, I'm not taking control and that's depressing. The fact I missed years of income and am now in debt makes it worse, also added to the fact people except you to have such-and-such at whatever age.

I'd rather work for myself now after having to deal with that. Now I will work on things on my own, finding my own way of getting income until I get a job that pays better and still will work on things on the side.

Thanks for all the help man I needed it.

Think there's a way I could still get better with women while focusing 110% on my career?

No. You can focus 80% on your career and 20% on women (or a variation of that) but you'll make slower progress in both and ultimately slower progress overall.

What do you think I could do in the now term tho with career while I work on these skills?

I'd personally buy a lawnmower and start knocking on doors OR get a sales job.

It doesn't have to be a whole lot of money, I could try sales, is that a respectable job? You got any other ideas on what I could do now for work or money that would be respectable enough fto women while I grind on making more money?

Fuck what any women thinks about your "occupation". If you think its cool and you can support yourself she'll think its cool.

That's the problem I have with the career thing, how can I not let that affect me mentally while I still approach women ?

If its a mental block for you then there is even more reason to get your career handled with urgency.

if you start late with game you might as well give up because it won't get better,

Your experiencing irrational self-doubt because your in an emotionally low place. Don't listen to your emotions.

You been a great help man and I appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Your welcome. Now go out there and make something happen man. The best way to get out of rut is just start taking action to do something to get the ball rolling.

-Rob

 

[Mr.Rob]

Sub-Zero,

One final thought. When it comes to job seeking don't compete the same way everyone else competes.

When I was in the job market I would rarely apply directly to a company, instead your best bet is going to be networking to meet people that hire for the career you want, cold calling companies you'd want to work for or people you'd want to interview to see how they got into their career (you'd be surprised how many people want to help people that want to be successful), and if you are going to apply directly make your resume standout.

My resume in college was literally the story of my career/jobs written in bullet points (so it would "look" like a resume), I got a ton of employers commend me in interviews that it was the most interesting resume they've received in years.

Get creative, make connections, if you can't beat your competition just find a way to stand out more then them.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Thanks man.

Sub-Zero,

One final thought. When it comes to job seeking don't compete the same way everyone else competes.

When I was in the job market I would rarely apply directly to a company, instead your best bet is going to be networking to meet people that hire for the career you want, cold calling companies you'd want to work for or people you'd want to interview to see how they got into their career (you'd be surprised how many people want to help people that want to be successful), and if you are going to apply directly make your resume standout.

My resume in college was literally the story of my career/jobs written in bullet points (so it would "look" like a resume), I got a ton of employers commend me in interviews that it was the most interesting resume they've received in years.

Get creative, make connections, if you can't beat your competition just find a way to stand out more then them.