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Neediness vs Desire

steff

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I must write down my story, to make my thoughts clear, so...

Sitting on the terrace today, eating a huge watermelon, a very pleasant memory ran through my head. 10 years ago, I was doing the same thing with my first girlfriend, and we were both so full that we couldn't even move ourselves. We started laughing but then it was even more painful. I had a lot of fun time with her, and as far as I remember, I really liked that girl, and felt a huge regret after we broke up, even though I was kind of pushing our relationship towards that with being kind of an asshole with her all the time.

When she told me that she is breaking up with me I remained super cool, communicating to her, that it's totally okay with me, and actually I really wanted this to happen. The stupidest thing I ever did was that I didn't stand up for that. Instead of using the huge benefits of being single again, I started feeling like a lonely boy without her, and had some awful rejections from other girls, right after her. At the age of 15, I couldn't really deal with all those emotions. While all my friends started having girlfriends, and started living their sexual lives with the one special girl they chose or who chose them, I was totally lost. I still believe that this is not entirely my fault (maybe around 80% my fault). On the other hand I think it was also bad luck, and because of that bad roll, I became lost.

Over the last year I learnt that I made some horrible mistakes back then. The worst one was making a lot of female friends, going into deep friendships with them, and taking advice from them. Somehow I felt that I need to be close to girls. I was even treated as a cool person among my friends, for hanging out all the time with all those pretty girls. The only sad thing was, that sexual things only happened between me and them when we were totally wasted from alcohol. For not having the skill to get a girlfriend, I somehow tricked my brain and instead of working to get a girlfriend, I did the following thing: remained with all my female friends, and watched porn to get pleased sexually. On lots of occasions, I turned down my guy friends, because I felt much cooler for hanging out with girls, even though they didn't please me sexually. Damn, I remember, I went out with a girl once, became a bit needy, the girl began to reject me, and I asked this female friend: - What should I do? - Buy her flowers, that should totally work - she said... I just can't stop laughing when I look back on that situation. Me, Romeo, standing with a bunch of expensive flowers, hoping that this will make her blossom once again, and what I got was: "I really like you, you are the most perfect man on this planet, the best boyfriend I've ever had, but let's just be friends, Mkay?"

After a few more similar situations, I started raging heavily. This whole victim mentality started to consume me. While all my other friends have been in relationships for 2 or 4 years, I was still just that lonely boy. The horrible thing I did was, that I always knew deep down inside, that the problem has to be with me somewhere, but never did anything to change that (wish I did...)

Something I realized after all these wasted years is that this whole relationship drama was just something I was desperate about, because all my friends were doing it and that's why I never managed to pull it off. I felt like an outcast between my guy friends, and had to find different ways that will make me look cooler. I think most of us can relate to something like this from the teenage years (like starting smoking, which makes you look cooler, etc.) I didn't look worse than any of them, but I still never managed to get a girlfriend. Even today, when I go out with a girl, some dark force (that's what I like to call it nowadays), is pushing me to thoughts like:

SHE IS TOO GOOD FOR YOU!
BE NICE TO HER!
PLEASE HER!
CHASE HER!
EXPOSE YOUR BEST QUALITIES TO HER!
YOU HAVE TO MAKE HER YOUR GIRLFRIEND!

And even when I am trying to move fast, these past experiences still pull my thoughts back from teasing her, my hands from touching her, my lips from kissing her, and by consequence, having a lot of fun with her in the bed.

All this social bullshit made me think of girls in a totally different way. I spent so much time focusing on how on earth can I get them, that I actually forgot to feel them. I just look at them as objects. Objects I NEED. Not beautiful girls who I WANT, who I DESIRE. All my approaches towards girls are still coming from a place of neediness, and not from a place of desire of being with the other sex.

And I find this very sad, but there MUST be a way to overcome this.

There are lots of things that can be fixed, I just don't know for sure what could be the key to make the desire come back.

But I will definitely try more and more approaches, perhaps I just need the right girl to awaken the dominant man in me once again.

Other thoughts/experiences to this topic are welcome. :)
 

mkivtt

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Hey, don't worry, you're not the only one. At least you are admitting it. There are so many guys out there who don't even try anymore, are bitter, or hate women. The first step to fixing a problem is recognizing it.

I didn't feel like you do until recently, when I realized I'm 37 but apart from one perfect relationship (not that long ago, so maybe I didn't know what I was missing before then) am still alone and have always been. It didn't matter so much in high school... didn't matter so much in college.... didn't matter so much when I started working... I never really cared, heck I stayed busy with other stuff, but the window kept moving and now when I look around, I do feel stupid. Maybe it's that biological clock thing, lol. Everyone around me is married. My little brother is married and has a kid. That kid is now over 2 and the years just keep passing. I don't want to be that 45 year old guy who's alone for life, or end up not being able to get any decent looking woman because I'm too old. I figure I have ~3 years left to find a decent girl who's still fairly young and pretty, after that it's over. If only I knew what I know now when I was 18, the things I'd do differently...

So yeah man. I'm not sure what to say. Clearly you realize the nice guy routine isn't working, and that what women say they want and what they actually do are two different things. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing most things you listed either btw, as long as they are done in moderation, and accompanied by cocky/funny/teasing. Hell the girl I am going out with this weekend scares me to death, she is beautiful, has a stunning body, is exotic and elegant - what is she doing going out with a guy like me?! I have no idea, but somehow I managed to pull it off. Even if the date fails miserably, at least I can pride myself on having cold approached her, spoken to her and attracted her enough to actually go out with me. That girl who is a 9 out of 10! But I tell myself over and over she's just a girl, and girls are cute and silly and that's all they will ever be. They are not goddesses to be placed on a pedestal. Girls... cute and silly. Haha. Just cute and silly. Tease them like you were 8 years old, smile, be confident, try some humor... that's all they really need to be attracted initially.

You don't have to be a master PUA. You just need SOME skill. Look around you. Sure there will be lots of guys who are born with a chiseled body and charisma, and guys who get girls all the time, but that's not the majority.... think of the average guy, and then just realize you need to only be a little better than that to have some success with women. When I look around in my circles, I see a bunch of men 35-45 years old, married with kids, but their wives are usually average or unattractive. Most of those guys now have zero personality, and look like a slob. Do you think they could still hit on girls and go dating again? I'm not sure how they'd pull it off. So don't disqualify yourself because you are alone while many other guys you see aren't. You don't have to be the best player or PUA... just try to lift yourself up, tell yourself girls are cute and silly, tease them, act confident, and you should see some results. Even if you don't believe you are awesome and cool and composed, try to act like you are awesome and cool and composed. Some or many girls will believe it.
 

steff

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Awesome story brother, your motivation is truly amazing.

I know we just need to keep doing this, and it will work. Just like when you are applying for a job for the first time. You try 10 different companies, maybe 1 will say yes, and that's not even the job you are looking for, but at least you make some experience.

So for now I promise: no more questions until I have met at least 50 beautiful girls!

Best of luck with your exotic date btw! Keep meeting girls until then, it will make you feel much more relaxed on the date, because you'll have in mind that you have millions of other options!

Steff
 

Nova

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Like anything you want to get better at and change your old ways of thinking, it just takes practice, and its hard at first for sure. You constantly slip into old ways of thinking, that's normal. You have to be strong with yourself and just keep going and realizing that every time you force yourself to do something that your not naturally familiar with you move that one small step closer to programming your brain to do it automatically. The old cliche practice makes perfect really is true.

mkivtt said:
I didn't feel like you do until recently, when I realized I'm 37 but apart from one perfect relationship (not that long ago, so maybe I didn't know what I was missing before then) am still alone and have always been. It didn't matter so much in high school... didn't matter so much in college.... didn't matter so much when I started working... I never really cared, heck I stayed busy with other stuff, but the window kept moving and now when I look around, I do feel stupid. Maybe it's that biological clock thing, lol. Everyone around me is married. My little brother is married and has a kid. That kid is now over 2 and the years just keep passing. I don't want to be that 45 year old guy who's alone for life, or end up not being able to get any decent looking woman because I'm too old. I figure I have ~3 years left to find a decent girl who's still fairly young and pretty, after that it's over. If only I knew what I know now when I was 18, the things I'd do differently...

Don't pressurize yourself. People love to tell others that they should have this or that at this or that point in their life. I don't believe that's a natural or healthy mindset. Don't worry about things like this. 37 isn't old in anyway, and as long as you maintain your fundamentals its not a problem at all. Even at 45, you can still pull girls in their twenties if that's what you want (probs late twenties for a serious relationship though). The biggest object facing you is whether you stop following what every body else is doing and wants from you and start living your life with your own rules on when you want things to happen for yourself etc.
 
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