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Gorili

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This has evolved from a semi-cold approach to more of a social circle style...

Gym background:
  • Small with ~10 members inside the gym on average at any one time
  • Gym has pretty much all the equipment that you need minus the highly-specialized ones
  • Doesn't have a commercial gym vibe (aka staff knows everyone)
    • I'm on very good terms with the staff and joke around with them
  • Members-wise, I would say maybe half talks to others and the other half keeps to themselves
    • Also pretty well-acquainted with the members, both guys and girls, and know all the regulars
1st day:
  • She was facing my machine and in an area all by herself so I opened her
  • What I learned
    • Just moved here from Southeast Asia
    • Was a nurse there and will continue working as a nurse in a few months
    • Apparently she's not working ATM though (my friend told me to dig into how she's supporting herself then)
    • Admitted that she likes to watch a lot of shows on Disney+
    • Has been gyming for a while and is in great shape
    • Has a friend that she's close to in town
    • Likes traveling
  • What she asked
    • My background
    • What I do for work
    • What I do to relax besides gyming
    • How's it like to live here
  • I qualified her on how I like how she's bold traveling to the US all by herself
  • I soft closed her that since she's new, I have to show her around the city someday
    • She gives a maybe cuz she's 'busy'
    • I number closed her and said we need to stay in touch
    • I used the Skills method to text myself from her phone and she laughed at that lol
  • I texted her a funny nurse meme that weekend
    • She never responded and I haven't texted her since
2nd day:
  • I didn't talk to her at all
  • I talked to a lot of the people all around her to increase social proof
  • Also flirted with a girl across from her for pre-selection
  • She's like on her phone the whole time with earphones in whenever she's not doing a set so not sure how much she was paying attention
Rest of the week:
  • I didn't see her the whole week so nothing to add
3rd day:
  • She shows up and hangs out in the corner with the Smith machine, again with earphones and glued to phone
  • She saw me talking to one of my guy friends
  • Instead of moving over and talking to her directly, I first talked to a girl friend who's directly in her line of sight
    • Good convo and we were vibing
    • Then I moved over to her and caught up
  • She took a week break from the gym
  • I asked her what else she's been up to and she added that she's watching a lot of HBO and Netflix
  • She's said something about trying to find a temp job in the meantime
  • She went with her friend to a festival that I suggested and said she enjoyed it
    • Asked me whether I was there and I just said I went last year and had other plans
    • She lives in the same apartment as her friend, but they're not housemates or roommates
  • I asked her area of specialty in nursing, and she said she worked in ER in the past...
  • Throughout the convo she was like 75% focused with the rest of her efforts on swapping plates on and off the bar
  • This was a flirty convo btw
  • I had to go, said bye, and left the gym
4th day:
  • She's in the yoga room on a mat doing some light dumbbell and kettlebell exercises facing the mirror
  • I casually pop in and approach her over my shoulder
  • Throughout the approach, there's light touching from my end on high points
    • She keeps working out though so I do some made up stretches, so it doesn't look like I'm just there to talk to her lol
  • We made small talk over sleeping pills, the new yoga instructor (neither of us goes to their class), and how she doesn't know how to budget
  • She also said that she's not that busy now, has been doing a lot of shopping, and checking out some places nearby
  • I asked if she could drive and she said she can but doesn't have a license
    • It's ok people in the US drive all the time without a driver's license so it's cool as long as you don't get caught
    • She said that she doesn't know anyone here (including in our gym) to help her if she's in trouble and if I could help
    • I'm like yeah I can bail you out for a grand but you gotta pay me two grands in return :p
  • I soft close a few mins later and said she should go on an adventure with a cool guy outside the gym
    • She asks who the cool guy is, and I'm like who else is in here
    • Then, she said that she's busy out of the gym (she literally said she wasn't that busy a few mins ago...)
  • And she questions why we need to hang out outside when we're already hanging out at the gym
    • I'm like there's more to do out there, cameras are everywhere inside here, and people might gossip and become judgmental
    • She doesn't bite, so I leave it at that
  • We do more small talk about how she spends way too much money
    • I said it's time for her to rob a bank as a joke
  • This wasn't going anywhere so I exit the convo :confused:



Questions:
  • Seeing that this is becoming more of a semi-social circle game, where do I go from here to generate enough compliance to get her outside of the gym?
  • I have 2 strategies in mind:
    • Option 1: do what I've been doing where I ping her in person once in a while. If she declines the soft close, then I go silent for a few days. During those days, I try to get social proof and preselection in front of her. Then, I reopen a few days later and see if she bites
    • Option 2: talk to her every time I see her. Actually, she's never the one that says hi first so I'll have to initiate. But keep the conversations to a few mins maximum. Make it small talk only and soft close again only if there's more visible interest (aka she asks questions and is focused on me instead of setting up her equipment for the next set)

I'm hopeful for this one. Thanks guys!
 

Gorili

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Bump - anyone have insights on how to proceed with this gym girl? :)
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

POB

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Gym = social game

In the gym...goal is to get her out of there and put her on a different setting:
1) very light banther
2) probe for interest
3) ask for low-commitment date using plausible excuse
(forget jokes or fancy stuff...focus on your presence and just say simple stuff like "we should grab a coffe sometime, would love to hear more of your story")

If she agrees, proceed with any proven dating model:
(3 bounce same day lay, 2 date or 3 date)

IMPORTANT: always set up a secret society frame, so she can feel safer to have sex with someone from her social circle.

What you did wrong:
- not asking for a date asap (day 01)
- too much thinking
- tried light seduction IN the gym after not asking her out on day 01 (this a is a no no)

When you didn't ask her out on the first encounter (in person or by text, doesn't matter),
you put pressure on her to make a harder decision later on:
- "I don't know this guy"
- "why is he talking to me all the time"
- "why did I give my number to him"
- "if I go out with him, maybe people here will think I'm too easy"

P.S. gym game is not easy, but small gyms are even harder for seduction
 
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TomInHo

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Gym = social game

In the gym...goal is to get her out of there and put her on a different setting:
1) very light banther
2) probe for interest
3) ask for low-commitment date using plausible excuse
(forget jokes or fancy stuff...focus on your presence and just say simple stuff like "we should grab a coffe sometime, would love to hear

What you did wrong:
- not asking for a date asap (day 01)

He did ask her out on the first encounter. She said she was too busy

- too much thinking
- tried light seduction IN the gym after not asking her out on day 01 (this a is a no no)

When you didn't ask her out on the first encounter (in person or by text, doesn't matter),

He also texted her and she left him on read

It’s pretty simple tbh. This girl is just not interested

Don’t think it has anything to do with his game
 

Gorili

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@POB and @TomInHo thanks for chiming in! I saw this girl once since day 4 but didn't talk to her. I'll provide more clarity below:

Asking out:
  • My bad if it wasn't clear, but I did ask her out on day 1
    • I said something like: "We should hang out some time, and I gotta show you around our city since you're new here." So yeah, plausible deniability was used too
    • Reflecting back, I don't think I should have taken the number if her response to the soft close was anything other than an enthusiastic yes, especially since this is social circle
  • I used the same line on day 1 and also @POB's 3 steps on another girl a while ago from the gym
    • It worked like a charm on that one, but not this one
    • This girl is a native / near-native English speaker, while the other one was not, so language barrier should not an issue here
  • On day 4 from the original post, she mentioned that she's pretty boring and her day-to-day cycle consists of going to the gym and then going back home
    • That's when I soft closed her and said she should come chill with a cool guy
    • I thought the timing was on point

Texting:
  • There were only 2 texts that were exchanged
  • 1st text was texting myself from her phone on the spot (day 1)
  • Then the 2nd text was the day after when I sent her a funny nurse meme
  • My rationale on not texting her since is two-fold
    • No response to the 2nd text, and she hasn't texted me since :(
    • I already see her on a regular basis at the gym so what's the point of giving her more attention. If she wants to talk or wants my attention, she can find me at the gym

Behaviors:
  • Other things that I've noticed from her. Will break this down into pros and cons from my perspective
  • Pros:
    • Asks me a few questions every time we've talked (such as what my hairstyle is called, where I've travelled to, some questions about my work)
    • Last time I saw her, I was on the cable machine, and she was staring at me through the reflection off the gym mirror. I just looked back at her
  • Cons:
    • She never says hi first
    • When I talk to her, she jumps back to her workout in like 2 mins instead of focusing on our convo
    • Even when I used social proof and pre-selection (see days 2 and 3 in the OP), she doesn't really look over. She's like glued to her phone the whole time

Conclusion:
  • Another possibility is she might be in a rut right now. Not sure what the technical term is, but this is when you're unmotivated in general. She's watching Disney+, HBO, Netflix all day and sleeps late (her words not mine). Also, her job doesn't start until a few months later, and she's been looking for some temp work
  • I'm not really sure what to do here
  • I'm thinking of doing option 1 from the OP
  • Or maybe using some fancy gambits next time I see her and see if that spikes her emotions
  • Open to ideas
 

TomInHo

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@POB and @TomInHo thanks for chiming in! I saw this girl once since day 4 but didn't talk to her. I'll provide more clarity below:

Asking out:
  • My bad if it wasn't clear, but I did ask her out on day 1
    • I said something like: "We should hang out some time, and I gotta show you around our city since you're new here." So yeah, plausible deniability was used too
    • Reflecting back, I don't think I should have taken the number if her response to the soft close was anything other than an enthusiastic yes, especially since this is social circle
  • I used the same line on day 1 and also @POB's 3 steps on another girl a while ago from the gym
    • It worked like a charm on that one, but not this one
    • This girl is a native / near-native English speaker, while the other one was not, so language barrier should not an issue here
  • On day 4 from the original post, she mentioned that she's pretty boring and her day-to-day cycle consists of going to the gym and then going back home
    • That's when I soft closed her and said she should come chill with a cool guy
    • I thought the timing was on point

Texting:
  • There were only 2 texts that were exchanged
  • 1st text was texting myself from her phone on the spot (day 1)
  • Then the 2nd text was the day after when I sent her a funny nurse meme
  • My rationale on not texting her since is two-fold
    • No response to the 2nd text, and she hasn't texted me since :(
    • I already see her on a regular basis at the gym so what's the point of giving her more attention. If she wants to talk or wants my attention, she can find me at the gym

Behaviors:
  • Other things that I've noticed from her. Will break this down into pros and cons from my perspective
  • Pros:
    • Asks me a few questions every time we've talked (such as what my hairstyle is called, where I've travelled to, some questions about my work)
    • Last time I saw her, I was on the cable machine, and she was staring at me through the reflection off the gym mirror. I just looked back at her
  • Cons:
    • She never says hi first
    • When I talk to her, she jumps back to her workout in like 2 mins instead of focusing on our convo
    • Even when I used social proof and pre-selection (see days 2 and 3 in the OP), she doesn't really look over. She's like glued to her phone the whole time

Conclusion:
  • Another possibility is she might be in a rut right now. Not sure what the technical term is, but this is when you're unmotivated in general. She's watching Disney+, HBO, Netflix all day and sleeps late (her words not mine). Also, her job doesn't start until a few months later, and she's been looking for some temp work
  • I'm not really sure what to do here
  • I'm thinking of doing option 1 from the OP
  • Or maybe using some fancy gambits next time I see her and see if that spikes her emotions
  • Open to ideas

Not interested

But if you want to keep wasting your time on figuring out how to magically make her want you be my guest
 
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