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From the last post of my journal. Learned a lot through examaning the nights' process so I thought I'd throw it on here.



Last night my roommate's friend turned 21. After the hockey game (another win!) he told me to meet him at our favorite bar.

I roll up and we already have a table locked down. Didn't want to wait for the waitress so I go up to the bar.

Got some new threads for Xmas and was wearing them out, I post up next to this black girl with really interesting hair (let's call her BRAIDS) and wait for a drink. I stupidly picked the side of the bar that bar tenders never go to, but it worked to my advantage. BRAIDS started talking to me.

Her: Excuse me
Me: Hmm, oh, yea?
Her: You know it helps if you lean in.
Me: *smiles* Oh, so you're an expert on this place?
Her: *laughs* Well look at that guy, *points to guy that just ordered*, he leaned in more and got the drink. Your turn.
Me: Incredible....you're a wise one, I'll tell you that. And you got some sweet braids, the highlights are dope.
Her: Oh well thank you.

We chat, we're from the same area but she goes to San Diego. I get her name, my drink, and ask her where she'll be the rest of the night. She says she's going in the same seat the whole night. I thought that was bs, but she actually remained.

About an hour later, I see the Asian dude that Catfish was with, but at first I didn't recognize him. He's staring me the fuck down, but I'm not really paying him any attention. I eventually go up to get another drink and out pops Catfish. (She flaked on the date, because she had "financial aide" shit to do, and then work. I now know that's total bullshit, unless she got sent home early or something.

Me: Quit following me! (playfully)
Her: *smiles* You quit following me!
Me: Nooo, you stop following me (lame comeback) *smirks and continues walking*

Asian dude kept staring me down, I could care less about the arrangement at this point. Either she comes over on Thursday and I fuck her or I never bother with her again.

I go back over to BRAIDS and the seat next to her is open. I sit back down and start deep diving, and she responds well to all of it, but I couldn't find a good way to incooperate sex into the convo very much. The only thing I did successfully in this regard was ambiguously reference a "later" point between the two of us (what fucked me in the end). She finds out I'm a psych major and wants me to read her and all this shit.
*Hindsight, next time a girl does this, sexually / adventurously frame her. So easy now that I think about it*
I play around with it, she wants to know what my sign is (teased her about this) and things like that.
At one point she's qualifying herself telling me how open-minded she is, and about how she's very set up for her profession.
I ask if she's single, and proceed to get her number. I had been in her friends' seat for a while and kind of ignoring it, and right after I got her number, she tells me that her friend will now be returning to her seat.
Yikes. should have at least continued the conversation, not just left.
Playfully, I agreed, and welcomed her friend to her seat by the small of her back. Then left.

I sit down with my roommate again. After a couple minutes those two slutty / freak girls (let's call them thing 1 and thing 2, they're always together) I talked about earlier come up to me. Thing 2's (hot, less slutty) hugging me and asking who I'm with blah blah blah. Then Thing 1 (pretty hot, more slutty, also smarter) comes up and asks her friend,

Thing 1: ****, are you harassing Hueman?
Me: No, just our normal chatting
Thing 2: Yeaaa ***** we're just chatting
Me: What are you guys gonna give my friend for his birthday? *Thing 2 starts touching the birthday boy*
Thing 1: What are we gonna give your friend?
Me: Yea, are you gonna give him something? Something he'd enjoy *Thing 1 gives me a skeptical yet sexual look*
Thing 1: Like a drink? :)
Me: Well, sure, but knowing you, you had something else in mind, but then again you'd probably do that whether it was his birthday or not (sexual framing, but she's already a known slut. Not hard lol)
Thing 1: *laughs* Oh my god *smiles at thing 2*
Thing 2: What are you wearing Hueman?
Me: Just something I got for christmas.. (honestly a bit too nice for the venue I was in, but I just got some new Guess and wanted to try it out)
Thing 1: Yeah it's way too nice of clothes..
Thing 2: *interrupting* It's fly!
Me: Yea, it's fly as fuck *smile and turn head away*
Me: *turn back to Thing 1* What are you wearing? *start playing with her necklace, she smiles looking down at me*
Thing 1: Just some fly shit *tilts head*
*both start chattering about something, then smile at me and leave*

I sit and chat with these guys a bit more, we order a round of those sneaky shots I'd talked about before, then stand up to go talk to BRAIDS to try and close. Before I do, I go back over to Thing 1&2, who are now at a table but don't look anything more than mildly enthralled in their conversation. I don't remember my opener or much of what was said, but Thing 2 said something bitchy, and I brushed it off and called her inconsistent, then positively commenting on Thing 1's consistency which she loved. (really should not project like this since I know one of my issues is incongruence, but it didn't seem to matter. Also, I've been being myself WAY more than I was before with girls I know and random girls alike--I call them out on their shit a lot more, as to what they're actually doing / thinking--)
Immediately after, Thing 2 stands up, and starts qualifying the fuck out of herself. Even dropping remarks like "I hook up", which I saw as a huge escalation window. I should have tried to get into a private convo with her Then we had some sexual talk, but they took it too far and I left. Started talking about me getting my ass eating out, asking if I've tried it, saying its great, talking to me about how they "ate my brother's ass out" to fuck with me... jesus girls lol. I think I got trolled, but I brushed it off and left. My dreams of one day fucking both of them still float around my head, it WILL happen.

I go back over to BRAIDS and sit down next to her. Don't remember exactly what I said, but pushed the conversation towards "who are you going home with tonight" and she declined my offer, suggesting that I'm a very interesting person and I still have an hour and a half to ask all these other girls to go home with me. I knew I was fucked so decided just to pick her brain about what I did, how she thinks about these situations, etc.
She ended up telling me that three guys had asked her home, and I was the most interesting and cutest one. That she doesn't every do one night stands, and that if she did the guy would have to be REALLY special. Then told me she thinks I would make a good boyfriend, but that wouldn't make sense since she doesn't go to school here <------------ this is a huge place where I've been fucking up. It made so much sense when she said it, like fuck. I thought about all the girls that I had not put down a purely sexual frame for, that I didn't want for anything more than to hook up. I ended up leaving after she said some shit again about me going off to get some other girl, basically signaling time for me to go in a nice way (just like earlier).

Ended up ubering with my roommate and the birthday boy to another bar, which was filled entirely with kids from my HS. One of the social groups I have strong footing in, actually. I hit of off with a bunch of my old friends, then turned my attention towards this girl who ran up to me yelling my name when I walked in. After having just learned my lesson, I went total sexual frame, figured it'd be fine since I hadn't seen her in a while, plus she already had me in somewhat of a sexual frame if my memory is serving me. We were both pretty drunk.

This isn't exactly how it went, end of the night, pretty fuzzy. Plus it was basically last call. I was being lightly physical, probably not enough.
Me: What are you getting me?
Her: Ummm, one sec. *Goes behind bar and gets cup, pours her drink into it*
Me: Okay, how much xanax did you just give me? (chase framing)
Her: *laughs* A lot
Me: Hmm, I'm watching you *leave*

...5 minutes...

I had a lot of fun during this part
Me: *Sit down next to her* So what have you been doing since I last saw you?
Her: Literally, like nothing! This.
Me: Giving guys xanax, then bringing them home and fucking their brains out? *she starts laughing* Sooounds like you (sexual framing)
Her: *still laughing* Nooo, I've had school and stuff too.. but haven't been doing that, I've kinda stopped doing that too
Me: So, you stopped fucking guys, and kinda stopped school? Oh, no I got you, you stopped doing school and kinda stopped fucking guys, just going down on them, right?
Her: *laughing her ass off*
Me: *lean in, locks legs with her* You know, you can never quite trust someone that goes down too fast, that means they really must want it. (...was this sloppy? she thought it was funny, but like chase says that don't mean shit)
Her: *laughs --> sexy look in her eye and slight smile* Yea
Me: *lean in more, put hand on leg* So, who are you going home with?
Her: Myself
Me: Hmm, that's what I was going to do too, sounds like we have an issue...
Her: ...
*eye fucking starts now, sexual tension ramping up, I think I got half chub tbh*
Me: Well, ******, let's cut the shit. Would you like me to fix that problem? Takes two to tango.
Her: Yes
Me: *leaning in, faces almost touching* Well if you can keep a secret, let's get the fuck out of here
Her: Okay...
Her: Wait, I have to check on my friend, she's going through some shit right now and might want to come back with me.
Me: You know what, mine too. Here's what we're gonna do. You check on your homies, I check on mine, then I'm gonna find you, and we'll get out of here. (There was actually some very personal shit going down with my friend)
Her: Okay

After this we checked on our friends, when I looked over at her, she was whispering in her friends ear and looking at me, her friend smiling at me somewhat wide eyed.
I bounced around the room for a bit, until seeing her near the door. I put my hand on the small of her back and said, okay we all good? let's get out of here. She says yes, we take like two steps forwards and I'm out the door. Then, right at the door she posts up next to her friend. I turn and say, You coming? She smiles, and says can you text me? I was really confident and said sure (LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT), then turned and left. *smashes head against desk*
jk, but that was dumb as fuck.
Then, I realized I never got her number, I just thought I had snagged it months ago. Luckily, I walked out right behind a group from the people in their earlier, with ties to her group. I asked my buddy for her number, and actually had to wait around for like 15 minutes before getting it. I just straight up told him, I'm horny as fuck, what's *****'s number?

I call her
Some dude: Hey this is *****'s phone
Me: Yeah, can I talk to *****
Some dude: She can't talk right now, can I take a message?
Me: Nah, I'll just text her *hang up, text her "Hey this is Hueman* (no way am I about to put any more effort given the circumstance

Phone dies. Go home, throw her on the charger, no answer.
Her loss.

Learned a lot though, and a pretty fun night overall.


Lessons: BE CONGRUENT, BE SEXY, BE DIRECT, AND BE YOURSELF

Also, never put all attention towards one girl in one night. AND, if you're not feeling so hot, just throw yourself into convos with some girl(s), then get the gears turning, hype yourself up, THEN go for the girls you'd really like to bring home.

Peace

Hueman
 

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Hey Hueman,

Hueman said:
Her: Excuse me
Me: Hmm, oh, yea?
Her: You know it helps if you lean in.
Me: *smiles* Oh, so you're an expert on this place?

Great that girls are starting conversations with you. Also good that you challenged her back.

Hueman said:
Her: *laughs* Well look at that guy, *points to guy that just ordered*, he leaned in more and got the drink. Your turn.
Me: Incredible....you're a wise one, I'll tell you that. And you got some sweet braids, the highlights are dope.
Her: Oh well thank you.

She's still challenging you, and you switch to qualifying her too early. She takes your qualification as a sign of weakness.

Some potential lines that work on challenging a girl:
"Yeah? Is this the trick where girl's tell guy's to lean in so they can stare at their ass?" - Chase frame
"Yeah, but I'm sick of showing cleavage to get a drink around here" - Wittiness
"Oh, you ever thought about getting into coaching?" - Wittiness

Hueman said:
Me: Quit following me! (playfully)
Her: *smiles* You quit following me!
Me: Nooo, you stop following me (lame comeback) *smirks and continues walking*

Good signs here. She's flirting with you. If she's not complying with going on a date with you, see if you can get her to comply while on a night out, like this one.

Lead her to a couch, then have her come get a drink with you, then have her pour the drinks while you're doing something, then suggest you guys get outta there.

Hueman said:
*Hindsight, next time a girl does this, sexually / adventurously frame her. So easy now that I think about it*

Solid insight. I'd like to see you how you play this one out next time.

Hueman said:
Thing 1: ****, are you harassing Hueman?
Me: No, just our normal chatting

Thing 1 sets up a chase frame for you, but then you deflect it from her, decreasing the sexual tension.

"She keeps asking me if I'm a movie star and trying to get my autograph or something, I don't know"
"Yeah, but today it's just average harassment"

Hueman said:
Me: What are you guys gonna give my friend for his birthday? *Thing 2 starts touching the birthday boy*
Thing 1: What are we gonna give your friend?
Me: Yea, are you gonna give him something? Something he'd enjoy *Thing 1 gives me a skeptical yet sexual look*
Thing 1: Like a drink? :)
Me: Well, sure, but knowing you, you had something else in mind, but then again you'd probably do that whether it was his birthday or not (sexual framing, but she's already a known slut. Not hard lol)

Starting off well again here. But then the frame is too much of the girl as a slut, making the frame feel judgmental.

"Like...yeah! Sure! A drink...!" - saying it absurdly

Hueman said:
Thing 1: *laughs* Oh my god *smiles at thing 2*
Thing 2: What are you wearing Hueman?
Me: Just something I got for christmas.. (honestly a bit too nice for the venue I was in, but I just got some new Guess and wanted to try it out)
Thing 1: Yeah it's way too nice of clothes..
Thing 2: *interrupting* It's fly!
Me: Yea, it's fly as fuck *smile and turn head away*
Me: *turn back to Thing 1* What are you wearing? *start playing with her necklace, she smiles looking down at me*

The girls probably banter for fun anyway, but eventually they aren't feeling qualified and start auto-rejecting. You're pushing a lot in your interactions which gets girls initially excited with you as a bad boy...but then you keep pushing them and they start to auto-reject. Make sure to pull them. Push and then pull.

Pulling here means compliments, warm smiles, touching and wondering how they are.

Hueman said:
Immediately after, Thing 2 stands up, and starts qualifying the fuck out of herself. Even dropping remarks like "I hook up", which I saw as a huge escalation window. I should have tried to get into a private convo with her Then we had some sexual talk, but they took it too far and I left.

Auto-rejection. The reason a girl starts qualifying herself hard and then leaves is because she feels like you don't value her at all. So she tries to explicitly state her value. Then she leaves bitterly.

Push, then pull.

Hueman said:
Me: What are you getting me?
Her: Ummm, one sec. *Goes behind bar and gets cup, pours her drink into it*
Me: Okay, how much xanax did you just give me? (chase framing)
Her: *laughs* A lot
Me: Hmm, I'm watching you *leave*

...5 minutes...

I had a lot of fun during this part
Me: *Sit down next to her* So what have you been doing since I last saw you?
Her: Literally, like nothing! This.
Me: Giving guys xanax, then bringing them home and fucking their brains out? *she starts laughing* Sooounds like you (sexual framing)
Her: *still laughing* Nooo, I've had school and stuff too.. but haven't been doing that, I've kinda stopped doing that too
Me: So, you stopped fucking guys, and kinda stopped school? Oh, no I got you, you stopped doing school and kinda stopped fucking guys, just going down on them, right?
Her: *laughing her ass off*
Me: *lean in, locks legs with her* You know, you can never quite trust someone that goes down too fast, that means they really must want it. (...was this sloppy? she thought it was funny, but like chase says that don't mean shit)
Her: *laughs --> sexy look in her eye and slight smile* Yea
Me: *lean in more, put hand on leg* So, who are you going home with?
Her: Myself
Me: Hmm, that's what I was going to do too, sounds like we have an issue...
Her: ...
*eye fucking starts now, sexual tension ramping up, I think I got half chub tbh*
Me: Well, ******, let's cut the shit. Would you like me to fix that problem? Takes two to tango.
Her: Yes
Me: *leaning in, faces almost touching* Well if you can keep a secret, let's get the fuck out of here
Her: Okay...
Her: Wait, I have to check on my friend, she's going through some shit right now and might want to come back with me.
Me: You know what, mine too. Here's what we're gonna do. You check on your homies, I check on mine, then I'm gonna find you, and we'll get out of here. (There was actually some very personal shit going down with my friend)
Her: Okay

Hmm...I think you either need to go full on explicit (Hector-style, "I'm going to pin you to the wall and fuck your brains out until you're like a fish trying to breathe out of water"), or be implicit and keep it to just a couple lines and then change the subject.

I'm not great with sex talk, so I can't give you much advice. My own style is make an intense sexual frame with heavy contact, keep a pause in the conversation until she reacts, and then let go of the tension and change the subject. Even that's really intense. Only need to do it once or twice for a girl to totally get your intention.

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Anyway, really solid night out, Hueman. You're already a challenge to girls, and obviously you're fundamentals are great enough for girls to start conversations with you. Now, focus on getting girls to believe they have a shot with you. Qualify them. Tell them what you like about them. Then have them comply with you.

Nick
 

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Pretty Decent,

She's still challenging you, and you switch to qualifying her too early. She takes your qualification as a sign of weakness.
I should have acknowledged that I said "Incredible, you're a wise one" in a pretty sarcastic way. But, I'll take note of that.
Definitely makes sense with how things played out, and putting a frame or showing wittiness would have been a better response.
All the responses you put are solid, I really like the first one.



Auto-rejection. The reason a girl starts qualifying herself hard and then leaves is because she feels like you don't value her at all. So she tries to explicitly state her value. Then she leaves bitterly.

Push, then pull.

These two have known me for a bit.
After reading what I wrote, I was actually being pretty judgmental with my thought process about them/others, even though I was teasing.

I hope that I didn't push Thing 2 so far away that it's not redeemable / I burned a bridge.
I'll try and pull after pushing more often. With her specifically I should probably try and just be warmer while remaining congruent.

I know most auto-rejections stay that way for a while. If anything, what might you do after you've put a girl in this zone?


I'm not great with sex talk, so I can't give you much advice. My own style is make an intense sexual frame with heavy contact, keep a pause in the conversation until she reacts, and then let go of the tension and change the subject. Even that's really intense. Only need to do it once or twice for a girl to totally get your intention.

Could you show an example of this? I'll check out some of your LR / FR's to see if there's anything there.


Anyway, really solid night out, Hueman. You're already a challenge to girls, and obviously you're fundamentals are great enough for girls to start conversations with you. Now, focus on getting girls to believe they have a shot with you. Qualify them. Tell them what you like about them. Then have them comply with you.

Thanks a bundle man, I appreciate it.

Cheers,

Hueman
 
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Hueman

Hueman said:
I know most auto-rejections stay that way for a while. If anything, what might you do after you've put a girl in this zone?

You've said you've known them for a while, so it's easier to fix than had you just met. In fact, if you pull it back to being warm with each other, I bet you'll see a big jump in attraction, so...in hindsight, maybe you've positioned yourself well! ;)

For fixing it - it's a low attainability issue. Google that with the girls chase search term and see if you can find anything (unfortunately, I don't have solid advice to give here).

Hueman said:
Could you show an example of this? I'll check out some of your LR / FR's to see if there's anything there.

LR: Blonde Choker

In my podcast last year, I also talk about the difference between an offhand sexual frame and an intense sexual frame. Offhand meaning you say an innuendo or sexual frame as a comment in passing. No special attention paid to it, but it communicates that you have some sexual intent. These are the sexual frames you were laying down in this report.

Then there's the "intense" sexual frame, which is the exact same thing verbally, but you pause in the middle while staring at each other's eyes. And you say it slow...and let the tension build up with the silence after...and then she'll break it by laughing or saying something, at which point you just change the topic because you already communicated your sexual intent and the emotions will crest if you stay on the topic. Actually, I'd bet it'd be a pretty powerful combination with your bad boy personality!

Nick
 
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