Hey fellas,
In the past, I've dropped the ball countless times with nightclub seductions. Each and every time it really sucks. This particularly night trumps the rest of the other nights though - in that it was the suckiest of them all. Anyway, I've only just recently cut my teeth with hardcore night-time seduction, and this was my third time clubbing with the intent of seducing women.
TLDR: Went out, had around 10 escalation windows with a girl and she stayed with me for 3 hours. At no point did I try to kiss her, even though I really wanted to.
Last night I went out with a couple of friends. We all got fairly stoned beforehand, and went to an iconic Melbourne club - a place where people go to really party. For the first hour or so, we were dancing around a little bit and talking amongst ourselves, but we only really kept to ourselves and weren't talking to anyone else at all. We all knew we were there to pick up girls, but our social momentum was low. The weed made me sleepy as well, so I didn't feel like dancing or socialising much - even though I wanted to.
I figured I'd push myself. At around 11 o'clock, people start dancing a little bit. I'm standing in the middle of dance floor. Girl A approaches me. I don't quite remember how she opened me, but she is very physical and starts to hold my hand and puts her hand around me. At one point we introduce ourselves, and she makes a joke about my name - "my name is Jeff!" (22 Jump Street reference). She takes off my shirt and kind of ties it around me like a cape. She leaves about 2 minutes afterwards.
I sit down a bit more and have a bit to drink with my friends. Everyone is feeling a little bit anxious and our not feeling it. I figure I'd just continue dancing and build up my social momentum. I start fluff-talking with a bunch of dudes, but the social momentum remains at a consistent low.
Eventually I sit down next to a gal who is in a group. After about 30 seconds of staring off into the distance, I open her. We call her B. We fluff talk and deep-dive a little bit. I think she was a maybe a little bit interested in me. It turns out that B is friends with A, and so I continue to dance with the both of them. Friend C is also with us and is introduced to me.
Some more time flies by and the weed starts to wear off so I decide to roll on MDMA for the rest of the night. At this point, both of my friends are feeling pretty bummed and tired, so they head on home. My friend Ben is still there and he's trying to pick up this girl. Ben is a very good looking dude, with an incredible body. He is wearing a singlet tonight, show-casing a very impressive set of muscles. Ben introduces me to his gal, and we fluff talk a little while. I notice she is leaning into me, staring at me (I can tell from my peripherals). At this point, I am very low energy, but she continues initiating conversations with me. Eventually I get up to sit elsewhere so Ben and he gal can be alone. From a distance, they look at me and Ben for some reason then decides to talk me up to his gal big time - telling her how awesome and talented I am. I don't know why he did that, but it was a chase frame in my favour. They don't know that I can hear them at this point because I'm staring off into the distance. Eventually, I get up and join in on their conversation again. Ben's girl then begins to touch me - my waist, and holds my hand and squeezes it. Ben was with us at the same time, so it was kinda under the radar. At multiple instances she was whispering things to me in Ben's presence and there was a bit of an us vs. the world mentality. I don't feel comfortable with stealing Ben's girl, so I don't give her much attention. The MD kicked in after a little while and I was pretty high. She was escalating me, so I gave her a bit of kino because it felt so damn natural. At many points she'd grab my hand and squeeze it tightly. Soon after, Ben makes a move and kisses his gal. I move on and dance. I feel incredibly energetic. I bump into Ben's gal again later on.
Eventually:
Eventually she brings it up again. Ben's with us.
Ben and his gal leave and it's 4am, and I continue to dance. I meet up with A, B, and C again. At this point I am so high that I'm find it difficult to physically move. B looks like she's having a terrible time. She's sitting on a seat looking at her phone. I don't know what's up with her. I am very physical with A and C. I have my arm around their waists and pull them close into me. They hold onto me as well. At this point my inhibitions were completely demolished, and my game suffered because of it. I kept telling them how I'd never been so high before, and that it was hard to move. A and C repeatedly told me that they were glad that I was so happy.
It seems to be a recurring theme that girls see me as more of a platonic friend than a sexy man. Within these past few times of clubbing I've had girls call me: awesome, cute, smart, beautiful. It kind of feels like they consider me more of a platonic friend rather than a sexual lover. I'm thinking the reason for this is because my sexual vibe and sexual dialogue was weak. Eventually A, B, C leave. A kisses my cheek before she heads off. What do you guys think? Do you guys think that A and C were into me?
I return to the dance floor and a cute gal is walking by and gives me the eyes. We call her D. I open assertively. "What's your name?"
We begin to talking about some seriously cool stuff - the conversation was magical and seemed to flow magically - like butter. We were both on MD so we were both very, very touchy feely, and mutually escalating each other. I felt phenomenal. She had her hand around my waist, and my arm around her shoulders when we were talking. There were many instances where we held hands. She was clearly into me.
We continued to talk and we really hit it off. At one point, she asked me if I had a partner, to which I said no. After some deep-diving and a very pleasurable conversation (although it did lack in sexual intent and vibes), she said "Jeff, you are so awesome. You really are a gem." One thing which was strange about her, was that is was difficult to build compliance. In some instances it was her leading me throughout the club - not good. I wasn't really thinking about it at that point though since I was pretty zonked.
I should mention, at this particular stage of my progress in night-time seduction, I just want to challenge myself to make out with a girl. It's something that I've always been extremely uncomfortable with, and I just wanted to overcome the barrier. She gave me plenty of windows to do so - our faces were close together, and there was lots of physical touch, but it never happened.
Eventually we headed to the bar to grab a drink. The conversation vibe had died down due to the missed escalation windows.
Eventually we kept on talking but I missed plenty of escalation windows, and we weren't moving forward. Eventually after around 3 hours, she kind of walked off and I never saw her again. No goodbye or nothing. She left at around 7am. I guessing she must've really liked me if she stuck around me so long after so many failed escalation windows.
All in all, it was a great night. At one point while I was walking by, a girl gave me the most piercing I want to fuck you eyes I've ever seen, but I had to let her go since I was with D at the time. I had 3 guys hit on me, with aggressive kino and sloppy dialogue. One dude tried to pull me - I declined politely.
After around 7 I had a couple of girls opening me, but I was tired, and the Sun was out, so the seductive mood was killed. After dancing and hanging around a little more by myself, I headed on back to my friend, Nick's house to retrieve my bag. It's now 10am, and it turns out Ben pulled his gal back to Nick's place. I say hello to them both, brush my hair and my teeth, and all four of us grab breakfast at Grill'd. It was kinda weird.
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Finishing thoughts - in a lot of ways, this night was been a really great learning experience for me. A couple of things I feel like I need to focus on:
1. Working on my sexual vibe and adding more sexuality to dialogue, to keep it exciting. These days I'm afraid to show girls that I am a sexual man.
2. Be self-assured and confident that yes, she does like you. And yes, she wants you.
3. Even while on MDMA, which made me extremely confident and made touch seem incredibly pleasurable and natural, I still couldn't bring myself to kiss D. I really need to just put myself out there and just do it.
I think I have a bunch of limiting beliefs that have been deeply entrenched within my psyche from a young age. Somehow I find it hard to convince myself that women are attracted to me, because I was terrible with women for a very long time. I find it hard to believe that women are attracted to me because I am a minority race, am short, and skinny. I'm scared of going in for the kiss, because I fear that I'll be rejected. I' have a lot of negative thoughts bottled up in my head, which is detrimental to my progress. I find it hard believe that a 35 year old established woman can be attracted to a youngster like myself. I'm trying to fight these toxic thoughts, and it's a working progress... a slow one at that. I'm also going to roll on MD less frequently for multiple reasons. I wanna learn how to be awesome sober, and take care of my brain.
I have a few questions:
1. When girls call say things like:
2. Do you think Ben's girl was into me? (I feel like I know the answer, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this as well)
3. How do you overcome anxiety about going in for the kiss?
4. Do you think A and C into me, or were they just being friendly? There were little to no sexual tension between us.
This has been another long one. Thanks for reading, and any thoughts or comments are appreciated.
- Jeff
In the past, I've dropped the ball countless times with nightclub seductions. Each and every time it really sucks. This particularly night trumps the rest of the other nights though - in that it was the suckiest of them all. Anyway, I've only just recently cut my teeth with hardcore night-time seduction, and this was my third time clubbing with the intent of seducing women.
TLDR: Went out, had around 10 escalation windows with a girl and she stayed with me for 3 hours. At no point did I try to kiss her, even though I really wanted to.
Last night I went out with a couple of friends. We all got fairly stoned beforehand, and went to an iconic Melbourne club - a place where people go to really party. For the first hour or so, we were dancing around a little bit and talking amongst ourselves, but we only really kept to ourselves and weren't talking to anyone else at all. We all knew we were there to pick up girls, but our social momentum was low. The weed made me sleepy as well, so I didn't feel like dancing or socialising much - even though I wanted to.
I figured I'd push myself. At around 11 o'clock, people start dancing a little bit. I'm standing in the middle of dance floor. Girl A approaches me. I don't quite remember how she opened me, but she is very physical and starts to hold my hand and puts her hand around me. At one point we introduce ourselves, and she makes a joke about my name - "my name is Jeff!" (22 Jump Street reference). She takes off my shirt and kind of ties it around me like a cape. She leaves about 2 minutes afterwards.
I sit down a bit more and have a bit to drink with my friends. Everyone is feeling a little bit anxious and our not feeling it. I figure I'd just continue dancing and build up my social momentum. I start fluff-talking with a bunch of dudes, but the social momentum remains at a consistent low.
Eventually I sit down next to a gal who is in a group. After about 30 seconds of staring off into the distance, I open her. We call her B. We fluff talk and deep-dive a little bit. I think she was a maybe a little bit interested in me. It turns out that B is friends with A, and so I continue to dance with the both of them. Friend C is also with us and is introduced to me.
Some more time flies by and the weed starts to wear off so I decide to roll on MDMA for the rest of the night. At this point, both of my friends are feeling pretty bummed and tired, so they head on home. My friend Ben is still there and he's trying to pick up this girl. Ben is a very good looking dude, with an incredible body. He is wearing a singlet tonight, show-casing a very impressive set of muscles. Ben introduces me to his gal, and we fluff talk a little while. I notice she is leaning into me, staring at me (I can tell from my peripherals). At this point, I am very low energy, but she continues initiating conversations with me. Eventually I get up to sit elsewhere so Ben and he gal can be alone. From a distance, they look at me and Ben for some reason then decides to talk me up to his gal big time - telling her how awesome and talented I am. I don't know why he did that, but it was a chase frame in my favour. They don't know that I can hear them at this point because I'm staring off into the distance. Eventually, I get up and join in on their conversation again. Ben's girl then begins to touch me - my waist, and holds my hand and squeezes it. Ben was with us at the same time, so it was kinda under the radar. At multiple instances she was whispering things to me in Ben's presence and there was a bit of an us vs. the world mentality. I don't feel comfortable with stealing Ben's girl, so I don't give her much attention. The MD kicked in after a little while and I was pretty high. She was escalating me, so I gave her a bit of kino because it felt so damn natural. At many points she'd grab my hand and squeeze it tightly. Soon after, Ben makes a move and kisses his gal. I move on and dance. I feel incredibly energetic. I bump into Ben's gal again later on.
Eventually:
I'm thinking... woah. What the fuck? Did this girl literally just ask me to pull? I don't want to take Ben's girl, so I decline. "Maybe later".
Eventually she brings it up again. Ben's with us.
I decline again and she tries to convince me some more. I decline once more. At that moment, I just wanted to dance. I'm pretty sure she just invited me for a threesome.
Ben and his gal leave and it's 4am, and I continue to dance. I meet up with A, B, and C again. At this point I am so high that I'm find it difficult to physically move. B looks like she's having a terrible time. She's sitting on a seat looking at her phone. I don't know what's up with her. I am very physical with A and C. I have my arm around their waists and pull them close into me. They hold onto me as well. At this point my inhibitions were completely demolished, and my game suffered because of it. I kept telling them how I'd never been so high before, and that it was hard to move. A and C repeatedly told me that they were glad that I was so happy.
And:
And:
It seems to be a recurring theme that girls see me as more of a platonic friend than a sexy man. Within these past few times of clubbing I've had girls call me: awesome, cute, smart, beautiful. It kind of feels like they consider me more of a platonic friend rather than a sexual lover. I'm thinking the reason for this is because my sexual vibe and sexual dialogue was weak. Eventually A, B, C leave. A kisses my cheek before she heads off. What do you guys think? Do you guys think that A and C were into me?
I return to the dance floor and a cute gal is walking by and gives me the eyes. We call her D. I open assertively. "What's your name?"
We begin to talking about some seriously cool stuff - the conversation was magical and seemed to flow magically - like butter. We were both on MD so we were both very, very touchy feely, and mutually escalating each other. I felt phenomenal. She had her hand around my waist, and my arm around her shoulders when we were talking. There were many instances where we held hands. She was clearly into me.
(At first I was just joking. But she completely bought it, so I went along with it)
We continued to talk and we really hit it off. At one point, she asked me if I had a partner, to which I said no. After some deep-diving and a very pleasurable conversation (although it did lack in sexual intent and vibes), she said "Jeff, you are so awesome. You really are a gem." One thing which was strange about her, was that is was difficult to build compliance. In some instances it was her leading me throughout the club - not good. I wasn't really thinking about it at that point though since I was pretty zonked.
I should mention, at this particular stage of my progress in night-time seduction, I just want to challenge myself to make out with a girl. It's something that I've always been extremely uncomfortable with, and I just wanted to overcome the barrier. She gave me plenty of windows to do so - our faces were close together, and there was lots of physical touch, but it never happened.
Eventually we headed to the bar to grab a drink. The conversation vibe had died down due to the missed escalation windows.
She proceeds to tell me where she lives, but logistics are awful, considering that still live with my parents. At that point, I wasn't that keen on pulling anyway. I just wanted to challenge myself to make out with girls.
Eventually we kept on talking but I missed plenty of escalation windows, and we weren't moving forward. Eventually after around 3 hours, she kind of walked off and I never saw her again. No goodbye or nothing. She left at around 7am. I guessing she must've really liked me if she stuck around me so long after so many failed escalation windows.
All in all, it was a great night. At one point while I was walking by, a girl gave me the most piercing I want to fuck you eyes I've ever seen, but I had to let her go since I was with D at the time. I had 3 guys hit on me, with aggressive kino and sloppy dialogue. One dude tried to pull me - I declined politely.
After around 7 I had a couple of girls opening me, but I was tired, and the Sun was out, so the seductive mood was killed. After dancing and hanging around a little more by myself, I headed on back to my friend, Nick's house to retrieve my bag. It's now 10am, and it turns out Ben pulled his gal back to Nick's place. I say hello to them both, brush my hair and my teeth, and all four of us grab breakfast at Grill'd. It was kinda weird.
-----
Finishing thoughts - in a lot of ways, this night was been a really great learning experience for me. A couple of things I feel like I need to focus on:
1. Working on my sexual vibe and adding more sexuality to dialogue, to keep it exciting. These days I'm afraid to show girls that I am a sexual man.
2. Be self-assured and confident that yes, she does like you. And yes, she wants you.
3. Even while on MDMA, which made me extremely confident and made touch seem incredibly pleasurable and natural, I still couldn't bring myself to kiss D. I really need to just put myself out there and just do it.
I think I have a bunch of limiting beliefs that have been deeply entrenched within my psyche from a young age. Somehow I find it hard to convince myself that women are attracted to me, because I was terrible with women for a very long time. I find it hard to believe that women are attracted to me because I am a minority race, am short, and skinny. I'm scared of going in for the kiss, because I fear that I'll be rejected. I' have a lot of negative thoughts bottled up in my head, which is detrimental to my progress. I find it hard believe that a 35 year old established woman can be attracted to a youngster like myself. I'm trying to fight these toxic thoughts, and it's a working progress... a slow one at that. I'm also going to roll on MD less frequently for multiple reasons. I wanna learn how to be awesome sober, and take care of my brain.
I have a few questions:
1. When girls call say things like:
Is it an escalation window? When a girl says something like that I assume that she views me as a platonic friend, and not as a sexy lover. Am I wrong?
2. Do you think Ben's girl was into me? (I feel like I know the answer, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this as well)
3. How do you overcome anxiety about going in for the kiss?
4. Do you think A and C into me, or were they just being friendly? There were little to no sexual tension between us.
This has been another long one. Thanks for reading, and any thoughts or comments are appreciated.
- Jeff
