Objectification

[Marty]

I want to bring up the subject of objectification today, because I know it has been addressed in several places on the main site and this forum, and generally receives favorable treatment. This is very much in line with my intuitive understanding; while the extreme militant fringe of feminism is reputed to view objectification rather skeptically, or even oppose it, it has been my experience, long before I ever discovered the material here, that objectifying ladies in a charming and politely expressed way usually results in a beaming smile, a laugh, or a “Thank you!” from the delighted recipient.

However, that was my amateur understanding before taking into account any of the insights into the female mind that this site explores so brilliantly. Now that I am forced to think about these questions more critically, as a result of the invigorating challenges to popular belief contained here, I find that I do not fully appreciate the nuances connected with objectification. So I’d like your perspective.

Am I correct in assuming that a woman enjoys objectification only when she perceives the man conducting it as sexually attractive? If he is an unattractive man to her, she may be annoyed by it, yet if she is attracted to him she will likely appreciate it, be aroused by it, or even be flattered by it… am I on the right page here?

 

[Shiny]

Rather than just annoyed, I think she even might be creeped out when someone who she doesn't see as a sexual attractive man tries to objectify her. From what I understand, whenever you objectify a girl, it means you're looking at her like a sex object. So you'll probably give off a sexual aura which she'll definitely read (as women are way more socially callibrated than we are at the get go).

Think about it like this: Have you ever had a girl who was looking at you with horny eyes and almost physically craving you, knowing that she wants you, yet you're not even in the slightest attracted to her? awkward right? I've had a few of those and my first instinct was that I wanted to get away from there asap. So just with most/all of the insights given to us on this website and forum, it comes down to your fundamentals. If you manage to get your fundamentals down, using this can only amplify your allure to women even more.

 

[Doctor]

Yep, this goes back to what I was saying in the thread about making girls nervous.

If you are attractive and objectify her sexually she is going to be nervous about getting something she DOES want; the advances of an attractive man (this is a good feeling for her, butterflies etc).
If you are unattractive and objectify her sexually she is going to be nervous about getting something she DOES NOT want; the advances of a creepy man (this is a bad feeling for her, worry/fear etc).

The way she acts when you objectify her is going to be very much dependent on whether she sees your advances as something she DOES want or something she DOES NOT want, i.e. whether she sees you as a sexually attractive man or not. This goes for any hint of you being sexually attracted to her not just objectification.

Disclaimer: Of course there are many other reasons why she may not react favourably to objectification (religious background, anti-slut defence etc) but I think to have any chance of objectification working you need to at least have some form of attraction from her first, as a baseline.

-Doctor