ok, so how to do kissless escalation exaclty? this shit burns my brain, plz help

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

topic born out of this: https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...d-to-let-her-go-filled-with-regret-now.22013/

quick:
seppuku told me to avoid kissing (lips) before the sex itself as it can be a major wall and pushing on it can halt the escalation completely.
It fits perfectly with my experience - after date we go home, sit on a couch and I lean for a kiss: worked 2 times, didn't 10+ times.
so how to exactly fucking escalate then?!)

full:
I am very good at getting girls to my house from daygame. If I approach 5-15 times every business day (and why wouldn't I), I can get one date a week.
Only ONE problem left - fucking them.

on a date I caress their hands, hold lower back, fix their hair, while listening with good eye contact and speak sexily about their dreams.
we go home, I show my apartment, sit them on a couch to show my music and while it downloads from google disk (big wave files) I attempt a kiss turning her cheek with a finger.

that is when they say OH no no no, and I just end up getting her to sit on my lap, touching her legs, back and hands, trying a kiss again a couple of times and walking her to the bus stop.

I thought this is how you do it, I thought kiss was a gateway to sex and if she doesn't kiss, I did things wrong before and she is just not ready.
But seppuku told me "I am saying that trying to kiss a girl during a date can fire back in many ways. If you are good at creating and dosing sexual tension, you can still make it work for you, but otherwise you'd better be careful. As soon as I identified the issue, I personally developed a way of going through the seduction and avoiding the kiss (and all problems that go with it) altogether. The good point about this method is it keeps the sexual tension unbroken until the last minute. "

so question is - what exactly do I do? I mean I need some reason and some plot, some situation to touch her sexually elsewhere.
how do I go from the frame of "you are sitting on my lap/near me on the couch and we are kinda talking or looking on something on the computer"
to the: "we are touching and are gonna fuck"

what reason do I have? what plot in my own head? what excuse to start touching her a lot? when just moments before I just showed her some music on the pc.
you understand what I am asking, guys?)

you can touch her hands so she can show you her jewelry, or to warm her hands up (since it is winter now)
like in the gym you kinda can touch her a lot because you are "showing exercises"
you can touch her waist to "move her from the car that is going too close to you"
you can hug her from behind if you are "showing that far away thing in the distance"

do I say: oh your legs are so pretty caressing them up and down? (or is that just out of place and weird)
do I just out of the blue start rubbing her inner thighs near the pussy, while talking about something completely unrelated? (or is that a major trigger as well?)
do I say compliments to a body part then grab that body part? (what if we both know that this part is really unremarkable? can I grab tits just like that?)
do I ask what are her erogenous zones and she kinda shy and doesn't answer, so I am looking for them is a joke?

is it better to do this sitting down or standing up (I am very tall, most girls are at least one foot smaller)

WHAT IS MY EXCUSE? HOW DO I ESCALATE?!

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

my own examples: a girl sat on my lap, her back to my face and I groped her tits (her erogenous zones as it turned out) for several minutes both heavily breathing, then her pussy (she tokenly resisted that) after I don't know how many minutes of this she just said, ok lets fuck, I'll clean myself up (her period was ending)

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

my own idea: playing some sort of game that lets you touch her

like find her erogenous zones (never done it, just spitballing ideas here):
you know, I can find your erogenous zones in less then 5 min, lets bet on it. say if warmer or colder
is this your neck? do you feel that, or you don't really care? (caressing with your hand)
how about now? (kissing her neck if she allowes it)
is this your ass ... and so on...

if she doesn't let you touch something just play it off like part of the game (oh, not the ass, ok, how about waist and shit like that)

after a couple of suggestions you can derail your own train of thought and just say
oh fuck you are so hot and just randomly touch her
and if you know she will resist kissing, just set a rule where you don't kiss on the lips but tease her and escalate everywhere else, so she starts begging for a kiss.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Some ways you can escalate without kissing her LIPS, is

- Kissing her neck
- Kissing her hands/arms
- Sucking on her fingers

I'll sometimes do this with girls if they're a bit shy to kiss. Of course, I also will go for the kiss 10 times. There's nothing wrong with being a dog, but once you're a dog, you gotta at least get some success. If not, you lose a lot of attraction.

With the girl in the report you linked, time was not on your side. Try to screen better for logistics. But if you DO find yourself in a situation like that, you either

1. Need to persist until you fail enough to quit and then assume you lost her

2. Become good at keeping girls on the line even after failed escalations

If you're super persistent and get the kiss, you get some points.

But you could also work around it by kissing other parts of her body (in a playful, fun way. see how she responds).

Then you can see if you can finger her pussy as you suck her neck and then lick her pussy ;D

If she lets you finger her or suck on her breasts, then you can go back and get the kiss.

Then once you get that, she's probably good to go.

If a girl makes a big barrier about her kissing, then that means either

1. You're lower value to her and she's hesitant to let you so far (but if she goes home with you, that's pretty good so probably not this)

2. That's her "wall," and where she stops most escalations. If you get past a girl's wall, you can (usually) fuck her. For some girls, it's kissing, for others it's fingering, for others it's blowjobs, etc. If you get that, you can get the whole meal.

So use kissing other parts of her body to relax her, then maybe get the kiss after that, or learn how to persist in a more sexy way.

Try this

If she doesn't want to kiss you, ask her romantically,. "Are you shy?" A grin on your face.

See how she responds. If she's serious, then try to probe deeper why she's not comfortable. If she's playful about it, then play back.

"Do you WANT to kiss, but you're just keeping self control?"

If you get a yes, then maybe start to feel her legs and waist and tell her how sexy she is. Tell her that you want to taste her lips. Maybe talk about sex?

I like this one,

"It's not like we're having sex, it's just a kiss!" with a smile on your face and light-hearted teasing tone.

Let me know if this helps

Papi

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

that is the huge help, mr Castle.

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

best example and the most innocent thus far is massage (was given me by my not gaming friend of all people)

 

[naturalmikey]

i'm just taking a shot in the dark... how is your eye contact?

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

eye contact gets her on my couch. everything else before sexual escalation is solid enough

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

read somewhere that this is upper intermediate problem. somehow that feels good)

 

[Fuck This]

Often my kino is dancing. SLOW dancing. I'm drawing her into me and she is returning and prolonging the hug. I feel her pressing back with her hips and her breasts. We have body contact from my thighs to her head resting on my upper chest. She is drawing me close and wants to be touching me. She is pressing her crotch into me, and has her breasts against my chest. There is no "pulling away" from her whatsoever...