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BigS

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hey guys,

Just for some context, I had some experiences with overgaming in the recent past so I sort of took a "break" from using game techniques over the past two weeks. Just trying to rebalance myself and incorporate game into my existing personality in a more seamless way. This week I read some GC articles about being an "asshole" sometimes, as well as articles on being a good conversationalist. I have also been using the Hinge dating app recently since my work has been very busy and I don't have time to day game. I got some solid dates lined up for this week using Hinge and one of them turned into a lay:

The date

Previously Ive had issues where I think so much about game techniques that I get stuck in my head and bring that mindset into the dates. When this happens girls are turned off because they dont feel like I'm being present. I had picked out a wine bar in the city and on my way walking over I told myself to not worry about focusing on game techniques and trust that the techniques will be there. This allowed me to get out of my head and I felt happier.

I get to the bar and find two seats at the end of the bar. I like sitting at the bar because it allows for easy kino. My date is about 5 minutes late but texts me when she gets there:

Her: hi! im here. should I get a seat?
me: im at the end of the bar

She looks up, sees me wave and then comes over. I get up and give her a hug. I start bantering that she's wearing so much clothing because she has a coat, scarf, and ear muffs. We immediately start talking about past Hinge dates that we both have. I'm attempting to portray myself as a sexual man who goes on dates. Im also letting her know that Im nonjudgemental and I expect that she goes on other dates too. This helps set the tone for us maybe having sex tonight.

During the date I ask her most of the questions, trying to get at her childhood experiences and passions (deep diving). My body language is calm, half way turned towards her, and leaning back in my chair. I am attentive but dont act too excited unless she says something I really like. I also touch her arm if I really like something she says. I do this maybe 2 times.

We had several silences where we made pretty sultry eye contact for several seconds. This happens because I am consistently making strong eye contact and speaking slowly in general. She even comments about me being a slow talker, haha. During one of these silences I go in for a kiss. At the last second she turns her head and I kiss her on the cheek. I laugh it off.

Once I'm looking back at her again she is looking at me sexily, biting her lower lip and says sarcastically:

I thought you were going to whisper something in my ear!

I realize that she is teasing me wonder if I didn't signal enough before the kiss that I wanted to kiss her. She starts caressing my leg with hers under the bar and is turned fully towards me. I realize that this attempted kiss actually had a positive impact on her attraction for me even though she turned her head... Im still confused about this.

We go into small talk but I tell her:

Me: It feels weird going back into small talk after that

There are then several more silences where she looks at me teasingly and with doe eyes. I dont go in for another kiss even though she may be ready for it now. I figure this would look chasey. Therefore, she has two options: she can kiss me here, or we can kiss once I pull her to a private place.

On one high point of the conversation I notice that we have finished our wine, so I go for a yes ladder for the pull:

me: you like this wine, right?
her: yes
me: you like this place, right?
her: yes
me: do you want to go back to your apartment for 15 minutes?
her: okay... why just 15 minutes
me: [looking at watch] idk, I might have to go
her: wait did you just invite yourself over to my place???
me: yeah!
her: im okay with it, I just dont know if I should be okay with it...
me: it'll be fun! do you have any fun activities to do there?
her: I have a puzzle!
me: okay lets do a puzzle!
her: okay, haha

I realize I got the pull and we leave for her apartment. It's a studio apartment so no roommates. When there I ask to use her restroom. I want to be far away from her to get her used to me being there. When I come back she is in the kitchen and there is a puzzle on the floor of her studio. I sit on the floor and she asks from the kitchen if I want water. I say yes and she brings the waters. Her bed is also in the studio 5 feet from where we're doing the puzzle.

I take out the puzzle and she comes to sit across from me. We do it for about 20 minutes and then I make eye contact with her, and go in for the kiss. I get no resistance and we make out. After about 15 seconds I say:

me: wait we have to work on the puzzle!
her: okay

I can tell that she's a little frustrated by this. We keep on doing the puzzle, and I repeat this process 2 more times. The third time I make out with her, her body is gyrating more and she has a hand on the back of my head pulling me in. I go down to kiss her neck and she lets out a big MOAN. Bingo. I am trying to find the spots on her body that really turn her on.

I stand up, hold my hand out, and lead her over to the bed 5 feet away. I then make out on top of her for 10 minutes trying to find her trigger spots which are: her ears, neck, and ass when I squeeze it. We slowly take articles of clothing off until were naked. I lay beside her and start to rub her pussy. She is moaning super loudly and climaxes HARD within 1 minute. I think, this is going to be interesting... ;) After finishing she says:

Her: sorry I cum really easily :)
Me: and hard!
Her: yeah...

Due to the repeated escalation-descalation, once I have the condom on she is practically begging for my cock to be inside of her. I fuck her missionary but she doesn't really cum like that. I then flip her to the position where Im on top, she's face down, but lying down and her legs are together. I reach around to rub her clit and she pushes her ass back into me and cums once. I then bring her up to doggy, rub her clit, and she cums again. We then flip back to missionary to make intimate skin-skin contact. This position also feels best for me, personally, so I was being a little selfish.

We do a couple rounds of this, which lasts about 30 minutes. Im super turned on because she's hot and I love when girls cum a lot. However, im having a hard time getting good stimulation because of the condom and we stop thrusting every several minutes for her to cum. Its the price you pay for that I guess. Eventually, I get a solid few minutes of thrusting in and finish in the condom. I say:

Me: I think I died and went to heaven, and now im back on earth again, haha.
Her: yeah...that was good
Me: it was good
Her: I love sex

I totally didn't expect her to say this because she seemed like the quiet book worm/nerdy type. We laid there for a little bit talking and then I mentioned that I had no idea what time it was. It turned out to be 1am and I had to get home and wake up at 6 the next morning. I left and said I would text her when Im home:

Me: im home :)
Her: Sleep well! Thanks for a really nice night :)

Not sure if I'll see her again but I felt really positive that I was able to get a one date pull comfortably while using multiple game techniques in moderation and not overgamming. I would appreciate any tips on my yes ladder. Also, why did she get so turned on by the attempted (and failed) kiss?

Lastly, I know this isn't the sex forum, but I would appreciate any comments on other trigger spots for women or other sex tips for this lay.

Thanks!

BigS
 

foggy

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bigs, congrats bro

BigS said:
She starts caressing my leg with hers under the bar and is turned fully towards me. I realize that this attempted kiss actually had a positive impact on her attraction for me even though she turned her head... Im still confused about this.

Did you verbally escalate at all? Like did you tell her that you thought she was adorable, attractive etc? Even though there was a lot of sexual tension generated from your non-verbals, it is likely she couldn't know for sure whether u were attracted to her or not, because you didn't have ur escalation structure covered from both a verbal and non-verbal perspective. I believe that the attempted kiss was very polarizing to her and cemented it in her mind that you were definitely attracted to her!

On one high point of the conversation I notice that we have finished our wine, so I go for a yes ladder for the pull:

me: you like this wine, right?
her: yes
me: you like this place, right?
her: yes
me: do you want to go back to your apartment for 15 minutes?
her: okay... why just 15 minutes
me: [looking at watch] idk, I might have to go
her: wait did you just invite yourself over to my place???
me: yeah!
her: im okay with it, I just dont know if I should be okay with it...
me: it'll be fun! do you have any fun activities to do there?
her: I have a puzzle!
me: okay lets do a puzzle!
her: okay, haha

Looking at it from an emotional standpoint, your yes ladder is fine, as it establishes positive momentum. Personally I would have established buy in from her. Do you like hanging out with me? Yes. Do you want to keep hanging out with me? Yes.

I do have a few extra tips for you in moments like these. Common objections from girls when you're pulling include, "you're not a serial killer, are you?" or... "ok, but we aren't having sex". The latter keeps the power in their favor. When I am tryinga get a girl over to my place, I ALWAYS ask her if she's a serial killer first, and i ALWAYS disqualify sex first by saying I'm saving myself for marriage.
 

Seppuku

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BigS,

this is a very good job, congratulations!

You put a lot of good thoughts into it (side by side sitting at the bar, "easy for kino").

You had a careful control of the non verbals. Not giving yourself away by controlling your energy level and excitement, as well as your body language. And paying attention to her own body language. Back when I learned all this myself in 2015, I also had to put myself under control, the same way you did. But the good news is, if you keep doing it, it will eventually become natural and you won;t even have to think about it. A very important part of the seduction occurs at this non verbal level!

Overall you did a good job at creating sexual tension.

What happened with the kiss attempt, I think, is that you actually turned her on. You did notice a change in how she looked at you, how she bit her lips then start touching your leg with hers under the table. All signs of arousal. When this happens, you simply *have* to pull or else she turns cold and never see her again.

Good job pulling at her place. Her weak "did you just invite yourself to my place?" was a token resistance - just satisfy her own ASD. Expect something like this to occur each time you attempt a pull. The way to go is to persist confidently though the (token) objection - like you did.

All what you describe at her place, including the escalation, indicates she is most likely a High Sex Drive woman. This sort of girls are easily aroused, which comfort me in my explanation about the kiss. Once you got her aroused, it is all easy. Not all women are like this though, and most will require more work.

Overall very nice though.

I would see if I can see her again. Sex is likely to be fun with her. Keep it casual at first though, the "once a week" rule, in order to keep expectations at bay. And watching for any sign she may be seeing other guys (which is highly likely).

Looking forward to read more reports like this one!
Seppuku
 
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Cro-Magnon Man
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Good job BigS. I agree with Seppuku that this seems like a High Sex Drive woman, DTF on the first date from online with minimal resistance. Might need to work on my online game (i.e., better pics) to get access to these.

When I am tryinga get a girl over to my place, I ALWAYS ask her if she's a serial killer first, and i ALWAYS disqualify sex first by saying I'm saving myself for marriage.

Good stuff here.
 

BigS

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hey guys,

I appreciate all of the tips and insight. I just wanted to update you all on this girl.

Turns out she is very high sex drive so after we had sex she would text me every time she was reminiscing about it. We also sexted pretty explicit stuff a few times and she likes to be dominated.

We made plans to see each other again. Last night I went straight to her apartment with a bottle of wine and we had sex again. It was just as intense. Looks like she will turn into a FB, which I am pretty good at by setting boundaries.

Overall I am very happy about this because she seems more experienced than me sexually and kind of gets me out of my comfort zone, so maybe she can teach me a few things :)

Cheers,

BigS
 

Seppuku

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That is great news, BigS!

Just a couple of reminders.

(i) Meeting at most once a week helps to avoid setting a BF expectations
(ii) Meeting more often than this will have her grow relationship expectations
(iii) Expectations are hard to withdraw after the fact. If you give her the habit of meeting twice a week or more, it will be hard to go back.

If you want to keep her as a FB, make sure you see her once a week at most. If you plan on making her more than that, it is still good to initially start slow (once a week), then progressively increase the frequency.

Enjoy!
Seppuku
 
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