Only When the Leader Speaks You Change Your Mind

[Troy]

Know what I've realized about girls chase? Every time Chase makes an article A LOT OF guys jump on the bandwagon saying " oh yes.. It's true... It works... Ok thank you

To be honest this behavior is starting to piss me off. I'm not taking credit from Chase ( or any other writer) because their articles are awesome.

What I'm saying is that some guys have no proof the advice will work FOR THEM too because they have never tried it out themselves. It's like some guys were made with a programme brain. It's like some guys are easily swayed. Because a writer is your seduction teacher doesn't mean you should be so quick to jump up and down all excited over what was told to you.

I bet you. If Chase ( or any other writer you look up to on gc was to write an article that you SHOULD START USING SOCIAL MEDIA to get girls and the advice and argument presented in the article sounds good, I bet you would agree too. If they said in a good article " Instagram is good to meet lots of girls for lots of dates " YOU would take your butt to Instagram and start making posts on Girls Chase Boards on " what to say to girls on Instagram to get dates ". Or funnier a good article pops up by Chase " Facebook is NOW A GOOD TOOL TO GET DATES. " Just post awesome pics like you would on POF and message girls xyz. Blah blah.. You would probably start to question if you were doing the RIGHT THING all along. What a load of crap imo. Use your brain goddamm it.

I've noticed guys who believed in one thing suddenly change their opinion on something once an article popped up.

I clearly remember a guy who believed using sweet bar soap was good and the moment a post dropped on gc boards from..... He readily jumped and ditched soap. He presented a speech in around a week later that using water alone works better ( hey I'm not saying he lied. I'm saying he didn't seem to give much thought into it before). SMH I call that fucking crazy.

Note once more I'm not discreding anyone's advice. I'm only saying some guys are easily swayed. They change their beliefs and praise advice they have never used and they believe it's the only way. Take a look at the April's Fool articles. Some guys were caught. First they were taught one thing, then a post pops up and they start questioning if what they were doing that was working just fine, if it's good.

Cut that crap out. It's 2016. God gave you a brain, you can master seduction. The writers figured mostly on their own and they want to help you, their advice is great, I but in the process don't become Floppy Birds Part 2 , " Hey go jump off a bridge " a writer says and you don't think , all you ask is " from how high?. And the writer replies " the one you played with as a child that's in your toy box :/


Happy New Year guys

Troy

 

[Ree]

True...

..chase has an article on being an empirical man...
Chase also has an atricke about how students should polarise
But people still dont polarise..and they r not empirical at all
I dont blame em
I blame the education system

I have hang out with a lot of even experienced seducers who will
Never try out anything not gc authorised

Even if u prove to them it works they are just not empirical enuff to go test out something that chase didnt say..

i guess people r so used to the school way of learning...read something...cram it....try to replicate it excatly.they have leant..to actually try out things is wrong..
Following instructions is good....experimenting is bad

 

[Drck]

Seduction can be easily compared to martial arts. There are many different arts that warrior can learn - jiu jitsu, taekwondo, karate, box, kung fu, wrestling... The same way there are many seduction styles.

Which style is better, is it taekwondo or box? Karate or wing chun? In the end, that is real life, it always comes down to the person, how much is he studying, how much of the effort is he putting in into the system, or better: what kind of fighter is he...

These different styles are simply different systems. Each system requires certain behaviors, it has certain rules, e.g. there are different moves in box and in taekwondo...

Some advanced fighters study the same system the whole life, they become real and famous masters. Other advanced fighers recognize the limitation of systems, limitation of all styles and rules... It is good to learn the style, but after a while (ideally after you master it) you may want to leave it and try something else. Maybe one style fits you better than the other.

Maybe you want to be more independent, so then you leave the style. Maybe you realize that for example taekwondo or karate has great technical moves and kicks, but in real life (i.g. on the streets against experienced fighter) you will be limited to use some basic moves. Athough it all looks great, there is simply no way you will succeed with complicated or unusual movements against fast boxing champion who is getting paid for being beaten up on daily bases... He will laugh at your kicks... So high fancy kicks may work for some, but not so for others....

So seduction is like a fight on the street. You may blindly follow some techniques that you've practiced, hoping that you will win, but other times you may have think on your feet because you simply have to "fit" the whole situation... You may use successfully some fancy techniques against inexperienced fighter, but if you stand up against the real deal, you'll better think twice what you going to use, if anything...

 

[Thedoctor]

Troy,

To be honest this behavior is starting to piss me off. I'm not taking credit from Chase ( or any other writer) because their articles are awesome.

First off, if it's pissing you off, then I would advise you to stop reading comments or otherwise reseaching other members who follow this type of behaviour.

I think you have a valid point, however. Although most of the writers continuously encourage everyone to test the material out for themselves, there are always going to be a group of guys that follow blindly and without question. You'll find this type of person everywhere from religion, science, pickup and so on. You shouldn't let this upset you though.

I suppose this could also spawn a whole discussion about charismatic leaders in history, or if you want something even more screwed up, check out how compliant some people are to those they regard as being in higher power, whether that be police, teachers, religious authorities, parents etc. Here's just one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_sea ... _call_scam

-John

 

[Ree]

Troy,

Here's just one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_sea ... _call_scam

-John

heheheh...this is too funny....i didnt know people cud take it that far

 

[Mr.Rob]

Troy,

I believe the reason you are feeling so passionate about this is because you used to exhibit this behavior yourself at one point and now are creating your own world beliefs that you hold fast to rather than look to others for what to believe.

You find this behavior distasteful and when you see others engaging in this behavior it reminds you a past part of yourself that you do not like and wish not to engage in. Thus, you become enraged so as to reinforce that you will not let others think for you.

I know this because I do the same thing when I see really "nice guy" behavior in men. Most people see it and say "ah some men just have no spines". I see it and think "NO! They are pathetic and must take action to correct their behavior or be doomed to mediocrity and being walked on!".

It's awesome really. It's a sign that you have or are in the process of exchanging those bad behaviors for more resourceful ones. It means you're growing into a stronger man. It means that you're defining your value system of what you will and will not tolerate.

You've come a long way since you first started posting so keep it up. But I think it helps to be self aware of why you experience such distaste for weak minded behavior.

-Rob

 

[Chase]

I try to discourage guru worship as much as possible. It doesn’t do me any good (heck, look at Mystery; many times more guru worship than I’ve ever had, and yet these days he’s broke, alone, forgotten, and miserable… which is kind of a crime if you ask me, guy’s brilliant; it doesn’t last), and I don’t think it does guys any good either, at least if maximum results are their aim.

If you really want to get good, you should be supplementing your diet with other teachers. They could be other guys who write for Girls Chase or post on the boards, or they could be from other schools of seduction or independent guys with good results on other boards. Just look for guys who seem to know their stuff and follow them. And TEST!

The guys who get seriously good all have varied diets in whom they study. Usually you do have a primary teacher/mentor, but if that guy contributes 100% of your thinking on a subject then not only are you inheriting his strengths, but you’re inheriting his weaknesses, biases, and limitations as well. And we’ve alllll got ‘em.

I suppose guru worship is more expedient for the Average Joe – perhaps he just doesn’t want to be the next PUA great, he doesn’t want to spend all his time wrestling with uncertainty and unearthing other teachers he can follow, he just wants to pick ONE (1) guy and follow that guy’s method and do what he says and do that exclusively. He doesn’t want to devote the mental bandwidth to the field of study required to handle multiple competing viewpoints.

You see it with commenters on Girls Chase whenever there’s apparent dissonance between articles. Chase says this, but Alek says that – who is RIGHT? Maybe both guys are right. Maybe you should test. But guys don’t want an answer like that because they want a coherent system. So you have to figure out why there are differences in the system for them and tell them when to use X and when to do Y. Perhaps that’s the ease of following a single guru… his system will tend to be coherent with itself, and you won’t have too many occasions where you have competing recommendations for particular situations.

That’s weird if you’re a guy coming from a testing mentality. It’s weird for me too – I learned from a huge variety of different guys. I had some I favored more than others, and several clear mentors, but I’ve never dismissed something because it came from someone else. It’s always been, “Hey, what’s this guy saying? Does he seem like he knows his stuff? And this goes against everything I currently know? Fucking awesome, let me go try this out!” If there’s a new way to do something I didn’t previously know how to do, or a faster way to accomplish it, hell yes, let me at it.

Most guys don’t want to do that though. They want a safe, stable, reliable, thought-out path they can follow that tells them what to do and minimizes thinking.

It’s not necessarily that they’re “mentally weak” or “thinking about it wrong”; it may just be that pickup is only 5% of their life, and not 25%, and they don’t WANT it to be 25%. So they’re trying to keep it simple.

That’s my read on the guru phenomenon, and why it’s so ubiquitous even in places that discourage it, in any event.

You see this everywhere, by the way: political figures, religious figures, weight loss, entrepreneurship, finance, you name it. The top guys have all studied everyone, but the average student just wants to study one guy. It’s simply how most people learn.

Chase

P.S., it’s still really weird for me to hear there are people out there who devotedly follow what Chase says and no one else.