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Others' Perspective on PUA, Just how common is it? + (female equivalent??)

ILoveElla

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I'd fear that PUA might head towards becoming a house-hold term, within a certain age group. If someone said PUA to me, my first thought would be to pretend that I don't know what it is. I like to think that GC is rare, and even somewhat exclusive... in comparison to that other pua site(that most of them gravitate towards). The advice given here is more realistic. But when I read posts that stereotype and give out about women, I often wonder, if there's a female equivalent of girlschase??? I'd like to hear if they've devised any opposite and equally intelligent strategies of how men behave, etc.

I like to think it's rare, because it makes you wonder, how good is it knowing certain strategies, if everyone else knows them too? But then again, if you were to take one of the simplest PUA strategies, of this whole idea of how showing a girl that you're investing too much of your time in her is not attractive to her. This strategy is a way of beginning the attraction. The interesting thing about this one, is that you don't even need to be good with girls to adapt it. There may be many other difficult things to learn when it comes to attracting girls, but this is one of the basic things that anyone should be able to get right. Yet a huge number of guys don't and give girls the power on this one.

I DO understand the need for PUA though, because it's hard for some guys. Yet I also understand to stigma associated with it. In spite of the fact that the survival of our species depends on it, there is no guide to it like there is everything else, like learning Physics, Golf or Horse riding! And any advice given on it is simplified and vague, for something that is so emotionally complex. Yet there is the stigma to studying it. For example, I know a guy who was raised predominantly by a single mom, and with two sisters. Add to this, he was short, less than average looking, and perhaps not the brightest. For a guy like this, there is no one to spell out certain obvious things about getting girls, that you'd take a decade to realise by yourself. And if you miss out on girl experience when growing up, it's NOT good. The other thing about guys in this situation, is that any moves they finally make often prove counter-productive to their improvement. I think that a lot of these big PUAs, with all the boot camps and so on that they hold, are just embarrassing our gender... especially given that the advice is counter-productive nerds-guide-to-get-laid stuff. We all know who's getting seduced there!

The thing is, that although I've talked about girl issues with other guys(as everyone does), thing about PUA with them would be different Obviously, a lot of people know about it, as I've seen online. But one's impression of how common something actually is, is often based on whether or not you've heard about it by word of mouth. And I've never actually talked, or heard other guys talk about this PUA thing that's come into play in the last decade. I assume though, that most of them have heard of it, and that some of them might frequent it online. Which raises the question of how many girls are aware of it.

I presume less girls are aware of it than guys, or at least that they've(having heard of it) naturally forgotten about it, and therefore aren't aware of how big it actually is. Of course they're going go on to the PUA sites, and have a read of the posts first time they hear about it. But then, I'd assume, that due to not following it on a regular basis, that they'd naturally sort of forget about it. And therefore, several months later, when the same girl is picked up at a bar, she might just assume that the guy in question ISN'T someone regularly reads PUA!

There's even a lady out there(who by coincidence is hot) who coaches guys to get with women. I forget what her name is now, but she's probably the only one. What sort of confused me about this, was what does she think when she's attracted to a man. What does she think when a man is acting alpha? When she's talking to a hot man, is she attracted or just bored of watching what she views as techniques. If I was trying to attract her, it would definitely make me paranoid as to whether I'm acting to good or not? Yet another main issue that I've become aware of recently. I tend to imagine what if it's the case that this girls knows about PUA.

Apologies for saying PUA too much! Hate saying it. But my main question is, how much of a social stigma is there to analysing/learning how to seduce women, as opposed to just being a natural.
 
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Franco

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ILE,

I really don't think PUA is really all that common of a thing, even among guys nowadays. If it is, then it's really not even common among guys who actually go out and meet women -- there might be more reclusive "nerds" at home that know about PUA then there are guys actually meeting women at bars that know about PUA.

As a matter of fact, up until discovering GC a little over two years ago (I'm 26 -- almost 27 -- now), the only thing I had even remotely heard of about "picking up women" by using a set of instructions was Mystery. And I only really heard about him on one occasion -- it was a friend of mine (who was very thirsty for women but was quite bad with them) who was constantly obsessing over some of the girls in our classes. This was back in high school.

After that, all of the friends I ever went out with or partied with never told me about any "methods" or "techniques" that they were following. It was usually just word of mouth stuff or basic knowledge that was passed around among most of the guys I hung out with. For example, it would be things like, "dude, just go talk to her and buy her shot" or "look at that girl over there... *points at the girl dancing dirty*... I bet she's a freak!" And then the friend might hover around her like the rest of the guys and, occasionally, move in to try to dance with her or talk to her and get immediately rejected. On occasion, the girl would dance with him, and maybe he'd take her home.

Most guys just follow what they've seen repeatedly and try to replicate success. And if you're aggressive enough, you'll find success eventually. How often your successful, however, is another story. And that really depends on your experience and your deep understanding of the opposite sex and all of the social stigmas that occur in social environments.

Anyway, other than that, the most common thing I'll see my "non-PUA" friends post from is very generic and popular websites, such as EliteDaily.com (which might be the most common one I see now). The problem with that website is that there are both male and female writers, and most of them are speaking from very specific experiences that might have happened to them once or twice, rather than field-testing thousands of possibilities and coming up with conclusions based on that field testing. EliteDaily does have a few gem articles that reveal some truths that are generally considered taboo, but you'll find the comments section is usually flooded with men and women arguing about these truths -- just like you would see on Return of Kings' articles.

As far as women go, I don't think there's really a "PUA" culture for women because almost all advice given to women is based on finding "the one." It's about finding the man who they will spend the rest of their lives and have children with, so a lot of the advice is also very generic and spread around that idea. However, the advice does exist. But just like EliteDaily has become popular and the "go-to" place for interesting insights, girls also use the same types of common places to get their information (such as Cosmopolitan), which still has the same basic advice you can find just about anywhere else. The thing is, as long as you're an at least moderately attractive girl, you'll probably be able to reel in a guy without very much effort, which prevents them from feeling the need to constantly be seeking deeper advice somewhere else; with guys, you can end up in your mid-20s without kissing a girl, and at that point, you become quite desperate to scour the internet for just about ANYTHING that sounds reasonable.

The best website I have found for women, and is most like GirlsChase, is called The Feminine Woman and is run by Renee Wade, who gives pretty solid, practical advice to women. However, just like GirlsChase, much of that advice goes against the grain of mainstream advice, so she only has a small subset of followers who actually put her advice to good use.

PUA really isn't that common in the "real world." If you have friends that are pretty regular or have just spent time with women growing up (both by having them as friends, having sex with them, and having girlfriends), you'll find that most of them have no concept of PUA whatsoever -- maybe they've heard the term, but they'll associate it with one dumb thing like I used to (Mystery Method) and probably never take the time to look into it. And for the most part, from what I've seen from other websites, most of them ARE a big waste of time because they provide hostile or negative mindsets about women (or even other men) that guys really shouldn't be listening to.

GirlsChase is quite the exception, and it's the reason I invest 100% of my time related to learning seduction into this website and not any others. Chase just fully grasps all of the concepts quite eloquently, and he understands that the intention of a PUA is to become a genuine man who loves women, not the other way around. =)

- Franco
 

Drck

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Also, IMO girls don't really need many PUA/Seduction skills mainly for the following reasons (below). Say she is a good looking average IQ girl, 6/10 or 7/10, age 20-30.

1. Her brain is wired differently than guy's brain. She is tuned to social life and she understands relationships much better than any average guy. She already has lots of social support/circle, she can get lots of advice from her girl-friends, she is already friendly/open and so on. Many average guys have to learn those skills as their brain is different. Girls can pick up and understand many things related to relationships pretty much on the spot; they talk about it, they read magazines, it is their life. Many guys would have to learn the same skills for weeks, if not months, even years. Their social circle is not that big, if any at all. He can't really get much advice from his friends, as most of his friends are clueless as well... So girls have a huge advantage in this area

2. Girls are usually passive, receptive. She doesn't really have to do much, yet she is being approached by many guys every week, especially if she is good looking. So she can simply just "chose" the guy she really like, she can just agree to go for a date, she can just agree to kiss, touch, have sex.... Her seduction style is more defensive, she is just "allowing things to happen". She can easily reject all the other guys, who are quite interesting - but not good enough... It would be very unusual for such girl to get ever rejected. But this is totally different for guys. We have to approach, we have to lead, we have to chose dates, we have to overcome shyness and push forward despite not having a clue what are we doing. We have to face many rejections, rejections are pain. From certain point of view, seduction is a science - if you want to become really good you have to "study" and practice seduction for many months, and that is only if you are lucky enough and discovered sites like GC. Many guys don't even have a clue stuff like this even exists. So girls also have a huge advantage in this area...

3. A girl doesn't really have to do much to seduce a guy. All she has to do is smile at the guy, talk to him, tease his ego little bit, make him feel really good, agree for a date or two, giggle and kiss... If she is bored, she can pull some primitive seduction stuff such as push and pull, e.g. stop answering texts and don't return his calls, them make him feel great again - and the guy falls for her within days, if not hours. He is in love with her right there, pretty much on the spot, and she knows it. All she really had to do is to be nice to him and spent some time with him. For most girls these are the only seduction skills she'll ever need. It is actually quite boring for the girl, most of the guys are behaving exactly this way. Make you wonder why she gives her numbers - and then don't show up for a date? Why she flakes? She simply knows she can get most guys this way, most guys behave in very predictable way... Another huge advantage for girls in this area...


So, most average guys have tough time because, by default, girls have huge advantage. But it is not that bad. To change that you'll need some balls, some decision making skills, some knowledge and determination to get laid, some persistent dating and asking girls out regardless all the rejections - and eventually you'll overcome their advantage... Eventually you'll become a guy that they will have such hard time to seduce because your behavior is just so different than behavior of all the average guys out there... Imagine the huge challenge for them that they have to overcome to get you, imagine their excitement when they have to work so hard and invest so much to get this kind of unusual guy...
 

Zoro

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I think that is also takes a certain type of man (at the right time in their life) and an open mind to really dive into this stuff and become good at it... Or even slightly use it.

I have shown about 2 family members and 3 friends GirlsChase whom I thought could use the advice and maybe eventually be a good wingman.

Guess how many started to read GC or were even slightly interested in looking further into it?

ZERO.

One friend assumed he didn't "agree" with the material and didn't want to get any strange ideas, yet after having many discussions with about him about women I find he holds many healthy views GC advocates.

I think there is a bit of resistance in society about pick-up, especially when most people giving advice aren't quite as "healthy" and experienced as those here at GC.
 

ray_zorse

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Interesting site Franco.

It reminds me of something I got into as a teenager with some nerdy geek buddies of mine which was called CRobots... you wrote a short C program (no more than 500 lines approx) to control a simulated robot which was like a tank that could drive, steer, shoot, scan for targets, etc...

So there were lots of different strategies, for instance a robot which would drive into the corner so it only had to scan a 90 degree field of view and shoot targets like that... another robot which was my invention was called "kambot" which would basically just lock onto a target and drive towards it shooting as hard as it could for as long as it could... eventually was foiled by another robot which used to drive around in circles etc...

We used to run tournaments for a good six months until eventually the strategies just came the full circle and I/we came to the conclusion that, there was no one good strategy, since every offensive strategy was matched by an appropriate defensive strategy...

Hehe, this woman is helping women get commitment out of men, and here we are teaching men not to give commitment until they've thoroughly locked shit in... and so on and so forth... soon we may have to write articles on how to deal with women who've read this woman's site :)

-Ray
 

Franco

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ray,

Hehe, this woman is helping women get commitment out of men, and here we are teaching men not to give commitment until they've thoroughly locked shit in... and so on and so forth... soon we may have to write articles on how to deal with women who've read this woman's site :)

Well, women don't really need a website on how to sleep with lots of men. For women, that's pretty self-explanatory if they want to do it!

The hardest part for women is locating high-quality men and then getting commitment out of them -- that's what Renee's website aiming for. ;)

- Franco
 
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