Problem laying horny girls

[Man-O]

I've had this problem since I started (2 yrs) pu. Girls I either approached or who approached me and rly rly were into me either due to looks or simply because I made them randy. Then at some point where my some-what seasoned senses told me it's time to extract us somewhere for the lay the girls object. They may give me their numbers after I have tried convincing them for a "drink etc." (and I do make sure they ain't fake and follow this site's guidelines like most of the rest of the seduction phase). But.... They turned into flakes. All happened in Night game.

I will give you a few examples below.

1. D-grabber
Dancefloor in dance bar I get strong EC with a girl who's also dancing and I approach. We dance for 30 secs and she starts saying; "hit me!" and I am like wtf is going here, looking about for a jealous bf but I see none and I start slapping her face in the middle of the DF while she kind of moans bowing her head backwards for each slap (only do it 2-3 times). 30 secs later she asks for me to choke, which I also do, and it turns her even more on and she starts kissing me though I don't let her kiss me right off the bat. 10 secs later her hand is litterally grabbing my cock and jerking me off on DF, which happens for 5 secs before I take her hand up. I Push her up the nearest wall by the DF and we make out, lift her leg and say we should go somewhere else but she doesn't want to. I try a few more times but nothing. I get a flaky number after trying to set up a meet for the night.

2. Mrs. Lustful eyes
Looking for my friend in a bar before heading home and as I do I get strong EC with a girl who keeps EC with me while I'm walking past her to get my jacket down some stairs. When I get back up she has moved away from her group and is eyeing me again and I wave her over to me and tell her she's rly much into me blabla. I try to deep dive a little bit and what she's doing here with her buddies. Within 3 mins of the conversation we make out and I try to invite her home but she objects and tells me I can get her number. We keep talking and I ask her how her week is like and I learn she's free most week. Another flake.

3. Drunk'n Dirty
Blast of a time on DF, dancing with different girls or getting rejected and I notice a cute girl (dirty girl) on DF who isn't dancing looking lost and drinking mojito.
Me: "You should be dancing! Not drinking here! But first let me have a drink of" I'm dancing close to her trying to make her dance but she turns away, kind-of ignoring me. Her: "I don't like dancing"
I then resume to dance with a random group. She then approaches me 10 secs after and we dance briefly before chatting by the bar. At the bar I realize she's horny and I try to extract her outside for fresh air but she won't leave her friends.
I go back to DF.
She comes dancing back with a girlfriend alongside. Dirty girl starts dancing with me and her girlfriend vanishes.
I this time try to extract her to a nearby bar, which she's up for but she can't find her wardrobe ticket (even her friends look for it) and it gets impossible to move her out but we end up grinding and making out by the bar.
Her friends leave for another venue, which I've had very bad experience with and she wants me to come along, but I reject. We go outside and make out some more but she won't go anywhere else than to that other shitty venue where her friends are at, even though I've done sex-talk (whispered her what I'd do to her while we grinded) and tried to extract her to a sex location. She litterally tells me when I ask what's so good about the shitty venue.. Her: "I can get a fuck". This girl however won't give nr. but just want me with her.

I remember my first lay was with a girl kindof like these. Got nr. but flaked. The second time she saw me however she took me home.
I've searched the site but couldn't find anything on how to handle horny/drunk girls who should be dtf, and yet they aren't!? What am I doing wrong?!

 

[Lover]

All these girls really seemed like they just wanted to get fucked. If you plan to fuck them, generally you shouldn't make out with them at the venue. Of course she knows what will happen once you get to the fuck-location, but until then, don't make out with her. Whether she wants to just get fucked or not, makeout sessions ruin the tension between you because now she knows what she can expect of you. There are of course exceptions to this, but generally you should avoid makeout sessions if you want to fuck them

Be spontaneous. If you spot a girl, like Mrs. Lustful Eyes, lead her to the fuck-location right away. Say something like "hey sexy, the night is young! Come with me for a sec/let's get out of here", take her hand and lead her away. Try to move as fast as you can because all these girls seemed sexually into you, but you were not moving fast enough.

With Mrs. Lustful Eyes, I think that deep diving was unnecessary as she had already communicated nonverbally and by isolating herself from her friends that she wanted you. Instead you go into deep diving conversation when all she really wants is a fuck. And then you made out. Be aggressive right from the spot, make her feel that sex is happening, and it will be happening fast. And give her a good time =)

With Drunk'n Dirty, the "I don't like dancing" line sounds like an escalation window. If she doesn't like dancing, well, what do you assume she would rather be doing? =) And then she reengaged you! This was another escalation window. She's literally telling you that she wants you. And you moved her to the bar, which was great! And you realized she was horny - another thumbs up! At this point you should try to pull her. This is the biggest green light she has given you yet. I don't know if you could have fucked her at the venue, but given the circumstances (that little problem with her missing wardrobe ticket) you should have tried to fuck her there (the bathroom perhaps?). Or be a man and let her borrow your jacket on your way home! She can write a mail to the bar to get her jacket back another time.

It seems like you're just letting things happen automatically rather than taking charge. Why is that? You're like a flame to moths on your night outs. But I think you should focus on two things for now: 1. move as fast as you can like I suggested above, and 2: get better at understanding women's nonverbal signals!

btw, where in Denmark are you from?

 

[Man-O]

All these girls really seemed like they just wanted to get fucked. If you plan to fuck them, generally you shouldn't make out with them at the venue. Of course she knows what will happen once you get to the fuck-location, but until then, don't make out with her.

It seems like you're just letting things happen automatically rather than taking charge. Why is that? You're like a flame to moths on your night outs. But I think you should focus on two things for now: 1. move as fast as you can like I suggested above, and 2: get better at understanding women's nonverbal signals!

I've played with these parameters and nothing changed.
The pulls in these examples happened within 15 mins from meet. I once were more passive. I have tried holding back kisses but imo there are advantages and disadvantages to kiss or not.
You can always get better at understanding their nonverbal signals but even they don't know them most of the time. Thx for the advice anyways but it is something else I'm lacking. I have some other cases where girls are also waaay into me but nothing happens.

Still looking for advice.
Are there any articles about handling girls who decline pulls?

 

[ProblemSolving]

1. D-grabber
Dancefloor in dance bar I get strong EC with a girl who's also dancing and I approach. We dance for 30 secs and she starts saying; "hit me!" and I am like wtf is going here, looking about for a jealous bf but I see none and I start slapping her face in the middle of the DF while she kind of moans bowing her head backwards for each slap (only do it 2-3 times). 30 secs later she asks for me to choke, which I also do, and it turns her even more on and she starts kissing me though I don't let her kiss me right off the bat. 10 secs later her hand is litterally grabbing my cock and jerking me off on DF, which happens for 5 secs before I take her hand up. I Push her up the nearest wall by the DF and we make out, lift her leg and say we should go somewhere else but she doesn't want to. I try a few more times but nothing. I get a flaky number after trying to set up a meet for the night.

If you're going to be escalating inside the club/bar you should have a place VERY close by to seal the deal. If she's grabbing your dick, your hand should be on her pussy get her warmed up. Once she's good and wet, grab her hand and tell her to follow you. Take her to your pre-planned spot (bathroom, alley, house) as soon as possible.

Taking her number at this point is a waste of time.

2. Mrs. Lustful eyes
Looking for my friend in a bar before heading home and as I do I get strong EC with a girl who keeps EC with me while I'm walking past her to get my jacket down some stairs. When I get back up she has moved away from her group and is eyeing me again and I wave her over to me and tell her she's rly much into me blabla. I try to deep dive a little bit and what she's doing here with her buddies. Within 3 mins of the conversation we make out and I try to invite her home but she objects and tells me I can get her number. We keep talking and I ask her how her week is like and I learn she's free most week. Another flake.

3. Drunk'n Dirty
Blast of a time on DF, dancing with different girls or getting rejected and I notice a cute girl (dirty girl) on DF who isn't dancing looking lost and drinking mojito.
Me: "You should be dancing! Not drinking here! But first let me have a drink of" I'm dancing close to her trying to make her dance but she turns away, kind-of ignoring me. Her: "I don't like dancing"
I then resume to dance with a random group. She then approaches me 10 secs after and we dance briefly before chatting by the bar. At the bar I realize she's horny and I try to extract her outside for fresh air but she won't leave her friends.
I go back to DF.
She comes dancing back with a girlfriend alongside. Dirty girl starts dancing with me and her girlfriend vanishes.
I this time try to extract her to a nearby bar, which she's up for but she can't find her wardrobe ticket (even her friends look for it) and it gets impossible to move her out but we end up grinding and making out by the bar.
Her friends leave for another venue, which I've had very bad experience with and she wants me to come along, but I reject. We go outside and make out some more but she won't go anywhere else than to that other shitty venue where her friends are at, even though I've done sex-talk (whispered her what I'd do to her while we grinded) and tried to extract her to a sex location. She litterally tells me when I ask what's so good about the shitty venue.. Her: "I can get a fuck". This girl however won't give nr. but just want me with her.

I remember my first lay was with a girl kindof like these. Got nr. but flaked. The second time she saw me however she took me home.
I've searched the site but couldn't find anything on how to handle horny/drunk girls who should be dtf, and yet they aren't!? What am I doing wrong?!

I'm personally against kissing before pulling her home because it eliminates plausible deniability and makes her look and feel a bit "easy" to her friends. If you don't kiss her before pulling her home, she can easily tell her friends that she's going for a night cap with you without looking slutty. When you DO kiss her before taking her home, everyone knows what will happen next, so if she's sensitive to judgement from her friends, you won't get the lay.

Also make sure you have a good reason for pulling home. It could be more drinks or food at your place, or whatever excuse is convenient for you.

Also keep in mind that true DTF girls say "Yes!" when you go for the pull. When you don't kiss them beforehand it makes it easier for them to say, "Yes!" but if they still give you a bunch of excuses they aren't DTF- they're looking for fun and validation like most girls.