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PUA obsession for “mainstream” & “western/feminist culture"... Is it even true?

lux7

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I was going through the GirlsChase Podcast when I’ve heard this sentence:

“In western society being born a man makes you an evil rapist”.
And again from the interviewer:

“taught from a young age that men sexuality is eveil, oppressive, aggressive and bad”.. “it’s quite a tragedy in modern society”

Now in this case, it was extremely exaggerated ,yet it made me realize how often I’ve heard or read similar stuff in the “manosphere” world, and even here on GC, and made me think… Are many of the people around here exaggerating or are many of the people ending up in this corner of the web actually growing up with that culture?

Because it seems completely untrue to me.

Albeit in Southern Europe, I was still born in the west and never ever have I felt anything coming even close to the manhood repression talked by some of the commentators.
While etiquette and good behavior meant treating women like human beings in “official settings”, and you would respect your mom and the catholic church was going strong... Deep deep down everyone knew the truth: that as a man you're a tool if you actually keep that pretense all the times and that it's cool to go for girls and that's what men do and men love pussy and "proper" men should actually show it in its proper settings.

Are some of the people ending up here a bit more gullible, was it family-specific or am I missing something of this "Western emasculation of men" going on?
 

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Re: PUA obsession for “mainstream” & “western/feminist culture"... Is it even tr

There is much more to it than it can be covered in couple of paragraphs...

You have to look at the whole society, at the role of men and women, where we were thousands of years ago, one hundred years ago, fifty years ago, and where we are today....

For thousands of years average men used to hunt, work hard physical/manual jobs... we were out there in the nature hunting animals, plowing ground, building things... We did hard manual jobs just so we can survive. Even our fathers and grandfathers used to work much harder than we do. Also by default, we were providers, we were responsible to take care of our families, there was no state, welfare, social services....

As we humans advanced and got much smarter, we began using more and more technology - better tools, vehicles, trains, motors, automated production/robots, computers,... Today we have strong social support, we can literally sit home and do nothing, complain and whine, and we can still survive long decades. Our life simply became much easier...

There are couple of significant things that came with this so called progress. When we compare ourselves (yes, especially today's young generation) to men who lived 50-100 or more years ago, we simply became pussies. We are much weaker, we are without spine, entitled, unable to fight, unable to make decisions... We are dependent on system, dependent on girls, what they say about us or what they think about us...

We average men became much lazier, we got more obese, we got more dependent on others... Years ago our grandfathers had to make decisions on daily bases, they had to hunt or work in the fields, otherwise they didn't eat, many would die... Today we sit home all day long, we sip sodas overloaded with sugar, and they can bring us food directly to the door. We can't even decide where to go for lunch, we don't have to lift our lazy ass from the couch if we don't want to, that is how easy our Life is. That is also why we are fat like pigs, it is simply because we are not moving at all and because we consume 10x more calories than we should. That's the true reason, don't even try to blame it on genetics...

Because of all of that, because of no movement and obesity, our testosterone levels also dropped. Testosterone is what makes us men men. In other words, no testosterone no man... Simple as that...

So when you look at it this way, it is much easier to see what the problem is. We are simply half-men than ancestors used to be. We behave like pussies, we talk like pussies, we have feelings like pussies. Maybe there is still some differences between America and Europe, or other countries, but that will disappear as other countries are following USA. Today USA is simply one step ahead of everybody, who knows, just one generation...? But that will be gone soon.

How does it relate to seduction and relationships? Well, it does, and a lot. First, girls/women can no longer find real man. Girls have more freedom, they are more self-sufficient, they get lots of support from the system and laws - so what for does a smart woman need a guy for? She doesn't need any guy, she can raise a child on her own. She doesn't need taking care of another pussy, she wants a man - but there are none... Lots of girls still want the classical male, a strong guy that can provide, a strong guy who wants to have have happy family that he takes care of, a strong guy who sit at the head of table and hits it with his fist when he gets pissed. Silly? Well, IMO you would be quite surprised...

Look at presidents, compare Mr. O to Mr. Putin. Obama is simply a pussy, he behaves like pussy, he talks like pussy, he is weak like a pussy... He has no respect, all he knows is talks. One half of Americans disrespect him, and the other half just doesn't pay any attention... The whole world disrespect him, US allies don't trust him, nobody knows where he stands, nobody even has a clue what religion is he, if any. He wants to talk to our enemies in middle east, he needs coalition of tens of nations before he does anything. For some reason he just doesn't understand that they have no desire to talk at all.... On the other hand, look at Putin. I bet even lots of Americans who monitor politics must admit that Putin is "The Man". He doesn't fuck around, he has respects. One day he decides, and the other he bombs the sh*t out of his (and our) enemies. He doesn't need any coalition. He understands that there is no way to peace with big smiles, empty hands and loud words. He understands that although it is already 2015, all they understand over there is hard and uncompromising fist... Putin is the exact of Obama, Putin is The Man...

There is a picture rotating around the internet: while Mr. O rides bicycle or tricycle with pink safety helmet covering his head - just in case our little princess falls thus could get some bruises - Putin rides half naked on a Bear. Funny, but that says is all. Mr. O simply represents the Pussification of today's America, and there is lots of pussies... It is just difficult to see it when one is part of such crowd...

So what is the solution to this problem? Well, it appears that there are currently two main streams. Many guys realize that they have lots of problems with girls - they can't get laid, they can't keep the girl, they get disrespected, when they get divorced they get stripped of everything they have...

So one stream is the Manosphere. It is a simple effort to restore the "manhood". Become "the man" again, act like a man, do manly things, give up on the life of pussy. Put the woman on "lower" level again, because we already know that is is only MEN who built EVERYTHING in our society. That's right it was us men, not women. There is no equality, we can survive without females with basic tools out in nature for many years, decades... But they cannot survive without us, they will not survive more than couple of months, that's as equal as it gets... Manosphere, Red Pill, ROK and so on is perhaps just a desire to restore the classical manhood. The philosophy is quite simple, Man doesn't really have to understand woman, he doesn't even have to worry about understanding women. He is just simple guy doing manly things... All he has to do is behave like man, perhaps have some simply or silly game, and the female(s) should - ideally - join him... And many do, after all, females too want sex, normal females want family too, natural protection by somebody who is much stronger... That is what men always used to be, and believe or not, many women still want that classical male...

The other stream is more sophisticated, more up to date, more tuned up male; perhaps GC is a great example. Evolution is here, progress is here, new millennium is here, more knowledge is here... So we are more equal to females, we have more laws, we have feelings, we can spend years on seducing females and polishing our skills, we can work more on understanding, empathy, why not...

It doesn't of course be just black and white, combination of both is probably the best way anyway...
 

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Re: PUA obsession for “mainstream” & “western/feminist culture"... Is it even tr

Getting back to the topic though, the "modern" male does not escalate, because that would be rape, the woman has the right to not be touched unless she explicitly waives that right. So he everlastingly looks for signs of female attraction that would make it "okay" to escalate, and they basically never come so he never gets laid. Understanding male sexuality and female attraction as we do here, we know that's ridiculously unrealistic, but the "modern" male doesn't learn from his dad what to do really (dad is absent or has bought into the whole rape culture thing or just isn't a good, available, dad), and gets the poisonous, opposite message from the media and everyone around him, that's what the podcast meant to say.
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Re: PUA obsession for “mainstream” & “western/feminist culture"... Is it even tr

Good points. "Dad is absent" is a great way to put it, or even "MAN is absent". Younger guys don't have any realistic male role models to follow, all they see is their fathers (should they have any at first place) being pussy whipped. All they see is heroes or villains in tv, when one guy beats up or shoots 50 other guys as if their lives were nothing. When you turn tv on, all you hear that somebody is apologizing for being a man. You hear that doing manly things is wrong, dangerous, not smart. You hear women demanding more and more equality. What equality? Are they able to do the same job? Same performance, same hours and intensity at work? Can they design machines, build bridges, roads, malls, huge buildings? Can 140 pound women in firefighter uniform rescue a 220 pound man from burning house? Can 150 pound woman in police uniform take down physically 210 pound criminal? They just can't, they are not built for it...

Don't make me wrong, I don't want them to do it either, they are simply women and this sort of work shouldn't be for them. It's a man's job. I don't want any woman protecting me and saving me from anything or anyone. I don't want to live in a building that was built by women, and I don't want to drive a car that was designed by women either...

Man is being ridiculed everywhere, many times simply portrayed as stupid (see most of the tv shows). Straight males and males are being suppressed as if there was something wrong with them, yet gays, lesbians and feminists are being celebrated like something amazing. You hear more and more nonsense about gender 'neutral' crap. Guess what, here is a shocking discovery: male is male and female is female, one has a dick and the other has a pussy. There is nothing neutral about it...

It is all happening because: MAN IS ABSENT. And that's not a fault of women either, they are simply doing what they are allowed to do...

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Also check this out:
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

One in four college women report surviving rape or attempted rape at some point in their lifetime.

Or: http://time.com/2934500/1-in-5%E2%80%82 ... statistic/

It is obviously a nonsense but be careful, that's what many people today believe. I know there is lots of young guys out there who are trying to get laid in college with as many females as possible. All I can say is, be very careful, college no longer seems the best/ideal place to get females. You may think that she agrees with you because she giggles and is having a great time, but once she gets sober her story could easily change. Then it will be your words against hers, and based on the above guess who they will likely believe to...
 

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DrexelScott said:
I wish Putin were our President. He is the living, breathing definition of a true Alpha Male. Our "leader," by comparison, is a spineless beta bitch who just does what his masters tell him and has no interest whatsoever in the well-being of the people who elected him to protect them. Which is really their fault, but it sucks the rest of us have to live with the kinds of morons who would vote for a "man" like him in the first place.

Man, that's exactly the problem with Putin: he's always trying to be "the man" in the room.
Which, granted, he might even be, but... What's to be gained from that? For him, for his country and for the world?

I don't think we're all better off with national representatives trying to out-alpha everyone else else around. That sometimes stems from insecurity and even when not, given the position they have... It's freaking dangerous!

We need national leaders willing to extend olive branches and collaborate, not ones trying to out-compete each other.
 

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DrexelScott said:
lux7 said:
We need national leaders willing to extend olive branches and collaborate, not ones trying to out-compete each other.

That isn't how real-world politics works. Every time you see a politician extending an olive branch, there is a knife in the other hand. The only questions that matter are whether the leader of a particular nation garners the respect of his people and the respect of the world. Ours doesn't, Russia's does. For me that is a case closed win in Putin's favor.

It might be partially true in the USA which half the world begrudges or fully hates, but it's still a defensive mentality to have, always looking out for backstabbers.

With that mentality you'll never reach win-win situation, which should always be the (ideal) goal, like with free trade deals or cutting military spending across the world.
 
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