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Prehistoric

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Yesterday I was at this very cool Jazz bar where they also organise social events for music lovers.

I meet this guy I had talked with last time. Some minutes later a 40-year old woman who's acquainted to him approaches us. She's very cute and outgoing. We have a group conversation for some time and then this guy disappears leaving the two of us alone. We cover various topics in the conversation: primarily travelling, adventure, foreign cultures, food. She's having a good time and rarely looks around. I am very careful not to do one of my common mistakes: talking too much instead of listening. This time I just ask questions and let her say all that she has to say. I read Chase saying "the more she tells you about herself, the more connected she feels to you". At one point, after having talked a lot about food, I propose to move to this Mexican place across the street. She doesn't oppose.

We move to the restaurant, even though she's incredibly skinny she eats like a lion. She orders 4-5 different dishes which we share. We start talking about music, about meeting famous people. I understand she doesn't want to talk about her past relationships so I get off that entirely. I keep on asking very simple questions, then shut up and look her straight in the eyes as she's answering. As we finished eating, I tell her I have some very good wines back home, some of which I brought from my home city and that you don't find here and that she must have a glass. She agrees

We grab a taxi. While we are in the taxi I start to perceive the first resistances (there hadn't been none until none). She asks "ok, but where exactly are we going?". I answer "having some very good wine" and then immediately go back to ask questions. I understand that I have to keep her talking until we are at my place. So I keep on asking all kind of s**t.

We arrive at the place, she says: oh yes, i know exactly where we are. I invite her to sit on the sofa, put some music on (artists she told me she likes before), go shortly to the toilet, get a bottle of wine with two glasses and go back to the sofa. We keep on talking. After a couple of minutes I start caressing her back and legs as she talk. She really talks a lot. At one point I see she's kinda dancing, so I move her away from the sofa and we dance a bit. We dance very closely, I kiss her twice on the neck and I go for my first kiss attempt which is laughingly refuses by saying "no way". I smile and keep dancing. We go back to the sofa, we're much closer now. I bring my computer on the sofa, and we explore various songs and pictures together. I am kissing her on the neck and behind her ears very often. I move to the cheek. I have to make several attempts before we finally make out. She keeps on laughing saying she could be my mother. I say "no, more like older cousin, that was always one of my fantasies". We are touching a lot. I am caressing her ass, tits, basically everything. She starts saying she would like to go home. I ignore it, I take her in my arms and bring her to my bed. We keep on touching and kissing and hugging.

Although at one point I can see she really would like to go home, I make many other attempts to keep her. She's very lovely and warm, and I can see she really likes me but doesn't wanna go further than that. I grab her contact, I accompany her to the door. We make out again on the door. I tell her I would call her tomorrow (which is today). She also forgot her scarf here, a reason more to see each other again.

Do you suggest I invite her straight back to my place or for drinks closeby and then my place?
 

ray_zorse

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I think to some extent you have rewarded her resistance, letting her set the pace and what you are and aren't allowed to do.

Women generally aren't very attracted to men that they lead. Also as you've mentioned the age difference appears to be an issue for her. So likely her emotional brain (responsible for attraction) and logical brain will be telling her not to proceed with you.

You probably also missed an escalation window somewhere in all this too, leaving her angry and disappointed (while expressing the opposite to your face). Life is so cruel sometimes. So I'd prepare for a disappointment.

Generally you don't get a second date unless you've built quite a strong connection, exception might be if you pushed hard hard hard and long for sex, but I gather you caved in to her resistance/frame pretty easily.

It would have been much better to do a takeaway: She says she wants to go home, you immediately stop all escalation and physical contact and say "okay... go", you can even pull out some work you are doing or similar, and act engrossed in it. Instead of the takeaway, you chased, quite hard by the sounds of it.

Having said all that, on the rare occasion she's legitimately planng to put out on 2nd date, don't take her for drinks first, this further rewards her resistance. Inviting to your home tells her flat out what's going to happen and screens out timewasters.

Ray
 

Prehistoric

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ray_zorse said:
Generally you don't get a second date unless you've built quite a strong connection, exception might be if you pushed hard hard hard and long for sex, but I gather you caved in to her resistance/frame pretty easily.

I'd say I pushed for sex for around 30 minutes and quite hard. I kept her here for a long time basically forbidding her to leave. At one point she told me "Believe me, less is more" and "You see, that's why I don't go out with younger guys" (said in a amused way not cold one) as to tell me I was trying too hard. After she left she sent me a message "you are true charmer".

Anyway you're probably right. I should have pushed even more. I am relatively new to pick-up so this is all practice 4 me. Anyway I am already quite good at not putting any expectations until I actually do bed a girl.

I'll write her to come over tonight. Also her scarf is here, I don't know if she left it here on purpose or not.
 
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ocantu1987

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agree with ray on this one. Keep us posted man.
 
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