Quantity vs. Quality

[Estate]

Guys,
A prevailing thing I see when I read boards like this is (even if it's unconscious), a real focus on quantity over quality.

There's something to be said for sure for quantity if you're just getting your wings so to speak. There's no better way to immerse yourself than by just going and meeting as many women as possible. But if you do this... where will the quality be? Very poor.

When I read field reports I'm always left wondering who these people really are. For example, someone posts some WILD story, where he says and does the most outragious things to the girl, and she basically tears his clothes off. Now, I'm not doubting anybodies stories, that may well have been how it went. But often I wonder... how much of it was imbelishment? How wild was he really? Was he just being a jerk but she didn't care. She was a 6 who was drunk and hasn't had a cock in 6 months. Or, was she actually a playboy model type who he genuinely won against all odds with his sheer boldness. Was she the attractive PHD student who doesn't party or really even have time to date guys much but on meeting the OP, she jjust fell head over heels.

How much knowledge and theory is being applied in this instance? How much was rare game? How much was his style, his attractivenesss, his skill, his just... being an awesome dude?? And how much was it down to the pure fact that hooking up with college age girls ain't exactly rocket science.

I really don't know. Unfortunately for the slightly "elderly" guys here like myself this site seems to revolve around college game a lot more these days. I feel that's a shame in a way. The material here is so freaking awesome. While it can be applied anywhere, college game doesn't really require all the nuances. In a strange way, since the overall theme of Chase's teachings are about the strong James Bond sexy guy... its not really even required on a college campus or party. In some ways it can even be a hindrance. Who's more popular in college? The cool jock or the poindexter with the suit and tie?

Now shift that into the professional world and its the well put together guy whos getting the attention. There feels like a void there.

There's a real lack of progress on the boards lately. In the beginning we saw guys make HUGE progress and pull off some crazy things. Right now we rarely see many field reports and the majority of those revolve around college parties. I'd LOVE to see and hear of some guys going out in the real world and meeeting those top 10 sort of women.

It sounds like most are so focused at getting laid at all that the whole concept of attracting TOP quality women is being lost. It's a real shame.

Look a the stock photos in any blog post here. Whether it's some dominatrix, a smokeshow blonde, or the quietly sexy career girl, how often does anyone here actually get out there and get these women?

Now, I've commented on it many times now but I've had my own progression over time. I was getting laid when I came here but not consistently or getting the women I wanted. That all turned around. But you know what it felt like? Ridiculously empty. After my first 6 or 12 months learning, the year after that I DOUBLED the number of women I had slept with in my entire life before that. I fell into the trap. If I could do that, I'd be happy right?

Well wrong. It felt aweful. Empty experiences. Women coming and going freely from my life. Having regular sex but not feeling a slight big of emotion I had felt sleeping with girlfriends before that. We say we should be numb to it but really. Empty meaningless sex gets old fast. Dude, youcan just jerk it if you need to get off that easily.

Where are the guys here who're dating the woman of their dreams? Where are the success stories?

Chase has a blog post from a while back about not dating party girls. Everyone has their choice but I see the sense in it... at least when you're looking for girlfriend material.

But why can't we get back on track on this site. Instead of another blog about hooking up in college, how to talk to any woman you cross. Why don't we seek to up our game... collectively? Instead of spam approaching, discuss, how do we go out TODAY and meet that PHD student, who's going to be a doctor, who has the tightest yoga body you'll ever see. The one who doesn't play little girl games, the ones who has HER act together, just like WE are supposed to. All that work to be James Bond and we talk about hooking up with drunk girls at college parties... does that even make sense? Not to me.

COme on guys... lets get this place back on track.

 

[Franco]

Estate,

I think it's just natural that the majority of the readers that come to this website are probably high school and/or college students. Each younger generation is becoming much more internet/technology-savvy (with children getting smart phones in elementary school), so they grow up with the notion of, "can't find it? Search the internet." And because of GC's recent growth in popularity, it's not hard for anyone searching for help with women to stumble upon it. From there, it's just matter of which people connect with the material or not.

Also, the teenage and early-20 years are where most guys are looking for "help" with women. Most have little to no experience dating and/or sleeping with women, and the ones that do you'll never really see on a website like this because they don't feel the need to look for advice, or they feel that the internet won't provide them with any (good) answers. That being said, some guys who have bad breakups with a girl they especially felt strong for can sometimes lead them to websites like this as well (which is how I came about this website). So that leaves the older generations of guys generally out of the "technology-savvy" bracket, or it leaves them already content settling down with a woman (or still regularly sleeping with women because they figured it out on their own).

So naturally, a lot of this leads to young guys looking for help with gaming college girls or girls in their early twenties. There are lots of social circle nuances revolving around college game, so we try to help in those areas if that's where guys want to be successful (i.e. frat parties, study groups, etc). However, all of the "cold approach" nuances can still be applied off campus, and we suggest to many guys to approach women at local malls/bars/grocery stores because that's where you can put most of this website to use and have the most success. I do suspect, however, that most of the guys here get cold feet when it comes to approaching girls in public sober (and in the daytime), so they fall back to trying to learn to pick up women at parties where alcohol and quick hook-ups are involved. When you're attempting to pick up women in these environments, however, it's basically a giant social circle, so status is going to be on of your best friends in this scenario. In my opinion, this makes things more difficult for most guys unless they know how to climb a social ladder properly, so I find it easier to tell them to approach college girls in a location that is not college (where the hottest girls don't need to save face).

As far as finding quality women, quantity is still largely important. These days, I place quantity as a much more important aspect than quality because one of the benefits of quantity is that you're more likely to come across quality! At the same time, you have the benefits of being regularly sexually active, confident, and well-practiced when it comes to picking up women. That way, when you do approach that "HB10" (for lack of a better description), you're more than well prepared for what it will take to attract her, take her home, bed her, and make her your girlfriend (if that's what your goal is). Location is still an important aspect of this too; if you're approaching women in areas where high quality women are rare, then naturally the chances of you bedding high quality women is going to go down. The idea is not complicated, but you have to heed the advice and really make an effort to find areas where higher quality women are likely to flock.

At the same time, "higher quality" women for some guys does not necessarily mean a yoga fanatic working on a PhD. I would simply put "higher quality" to mean very attractive women that are relatable with future goals in mind. My girlfriends don't need to be CEOs or Masters/PhD students, but they do need to be working on something important in their own life and have their own purpose (other than to dote on you). At the end of the day, whether or not a girl is a CEO or medical student and rocking a hot body doesn't necessarily mean she's going to connect with you, share your sense of humor, or take interest in anything that you do. However, if she's attractive and not "crazy," she will likely make a good lay and give you more seduction experience for when you do come across that woman who WILL connect with you, share your sense of humor, and take interest in everything you do.

So there are separate topics you're bringing up in this post, but I attempted to address them. The fact that you haven't come across a "keeper" girl Estate tells me one of three possible things:

• (1) You aren't approaching enough women or you aren't approaching enough women in the right places.
  
  (2) You aren't attracting higher quality women which means your game still needs some work.
  
  (3) Your ability to retain high quality women isn't where it should be, and your casual relationship management skills need improvement.

Based on your previous posts, I would assume your issue has to do with either (1) or (3). From personal experience, I seem to encounter somewhere between one and three women every year that would be suitable for a longer-term relationship, and I don't really consider myself a "shotgun" approacher either. This is simply me making an effort to meet women regularly on the weekends when I go out (or possibly during the week when I run errands).

- Franco

 

[Estate]

Thanks Franco,
Well thought out. As far as "what is quality" then I won't disagree... a PHD doesn't mean quality, it was more of an example. As far as my OWN preference goes, then while a phd isn't necessary (Hey, I don't even have that level of education myself) I do like a more career type of girl or at least someone with some things going on. That can be her career, being active, travelling or just generally anything that give HER something to talk about. Something interesting.

That's personal preference though. There was a point when I was younger where I'd see hot girls in clubs and think "Oh man, how do I get those girls!!?!". Over time, well, thanks to GC I began to get those girls... but what followed was the empty feeling. Not to say a girl who goes to clubs can't be interesting but in general... they don't do it for me. There are "hot girls" and then there's "club hot girls". She's not the same with the makeup off. She has nothing to say. She can't hold a conversation to save her life. She's just not very interesting. When I talk or text with these girls I literally feel like I'm in high school.

Maybe I'm at a stage of life where other things are important. I like to go out but my life doesn't revolve around just making it to the weekend so I can party at the club.

But that's where things break down a little for me. We as men on GC work on style, appearance, vibe, social skills, conversation skills... then largely aspire to meet drunk girls at parties. Why not aspire to the women who in turn have those conversation skills, life experiences, are just naturally sexy, not "club hot" and are interesting? I guess that's really my goal here. It's a little sadenning that all the work guys do around here and I don't see these success stories much.

As far as my own progress goes, I guess you could take a piece of all 3 things you mentioned.
1. I meet lots of women. But yes, I feel like I'm searching for the "right places" where it's not a constant shot in the dark to find those quality women. It's not a lack of quantity, it's simply being bored by most women. Every interaction is like the last, only rarely does a girl change the script and I'm genuinely intregued.
2. To break that one down, I seem to get attraction, but I need work on the "keeping them" part. Quality women have options and there's always a net or better thing. I need work there, but well, these women don't come around often as you say. I couldn't count the number of women I've met or dated in the past 12 months but as you said... I could say 2, maybe 3 of those were really anything like a "keeper". I feel I'd up my game in this area if I met more women I was genuinely interested in.
3. Yup, see last point

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

There simply aren't that many "quality" (hb9 and hb10) women to go around. Even when I lived in NYC, I found that I might come across an 8 about maybe 4 or 5 times a week. I think you might have Hollywood in mind when you read field reports, it is human nature to idealize a lot of experiences. For example, you might read a field report from a guy saying he screwed a blonde and immediately your mind will think of a Colin Farrell lookalike sleeping with a Heidi Klum in some Hollywood sex scene.

The issue is, there aren't that many Heidi Klums or Salma Hayeks walking around, not even in the big cities. For the most part, I have found that I don't really come across women that can fall in the 8 or above category that often. Even back in my college days I found that women who were 8s (in shape, sex appeal, and nice facial features) for the most part were rare.

For the most part, women in the USA who are at least slim with a decent looking face can attract a wide variety of men. The better looking women feel no need to get a phD or any expensive degree because they can easily get the guys with nice salaries to provide for them.

As an older guy, I am running across similar problems. I have found that this whole thing loses its appeal after adolescence and college. Sex is no longer a novelty like it was back then and your goals start to shift. Growing older just sucks in general. I mean you do end up becoming better with women but it just doesn't feel the same as it did back when you were younger.

The solution? Find something else to fill that hole. A hobby or something.

 

[ray_zorse]

Estate I really admire your posts and your reports etc and look up to you, so I don't want to be offensive but this post does sound just a tad whiney, anyway Franco hit it when he said quantity is important, but in any case I'm working on specific skills, recently it was moving women but that is pretty much a given now, at the moment it's using incidental touch, eye contact and attention properly to get women chasing from the outset. So I don't care who I practice on. I will fuck anything at the monent, cos I need reference points (see Chase's article, why u really should be having sex).

Having said that, some things you said really resonated with me. My lays this year have been cute but not beautiful. But I would never deconstruct a woman's flaws in an LR because I would be worried about her finding it, reading it, and feeling bad. Instead I focus on the technical steps I followed, my process, how she responded to that process, any problems I encountered and what I was feeling in the moment. This makes it a fun read and helpful to other guys out there. If that's exaggeration then so be it, everyone wants to look good

Yes, my life is pretty empty. I fuck girls, feel little emotion but a rush of validation, then usually feel empty and depressed the next day. When I did have a romance going, as I did for the past little while, that I felt good about, I didn't trust my feelings and poured cold water on it. Fuck. So I can see where you are coming from, but it really means we need to be more secure in ourselves, and less dependent on validation, be it from quick lays or hot girlfriends that dig us lots... I think u need to get back on the horse and stop overthinking shit. Get some dates happening and do not worry if they are only cute, if you could reliably pull wife material you wouldn't be posting all this!!!

Ray

 

[Lotus]

This may or may not apply, but, for me, I feel to indimidated to post the in FR section because of the sheer number of fantastic stories already there... and maybe there are other people that feel this way?

But when I do go out, I don't at all go to clubs or party bars... The population of the bars I frequent are 100% 25-35 yr old young professionals where bar space caps out around 40 ppl.

Estate,

Even though I'm not repeatedly laying all over the place... I do meet high quality people every night out, would these reports be benificial even though I wouldn't say I'm near the skill level or experience? and I do learn something every weekend.

Not sure if this was all the relevant, but oh well

 

[Estate]

Guys... the reason I posted was to shake things up a bit.

The boards are becoming a little PUA-ish and I'd really love to see it back on track. It's not necessarily to dissolve anyone. If someone says they brought home a 10.. maybe she was a 10. Maybe she was not. That's not for me to decide. I wasn't there. I don't know. And it's all subjective anyway.

But I'll call a spade a spade. I don't agree with everything to maintain the status quo.

I agree with you guys about FRs. I tried to Kickstart myself to write them more a while back but it's not my favorite thing to post such personal stuff online.

Now here's where I'm finding some disconnect lately:
- My PhD example was just an example. I like a career girl, a traveller or someone active or with something going on in their life. That's my 10. But it may not be yours and that's totally fine. But can we be done with the "all blondes are HB10s and all other girls suck" posts. It's ridiculous. Take away her blonde hair. Does she still have an attractive face and body? Is she interesting? What ! O's she do with her life? See we devote all OUR time into being better men but don't value ANY of that in a woman that does the same. In fact I think a lot of guys would turn down that girl as she's not the club queen.
- Sure.. some girls don't NEED to develop good personality. They are hot. So that makes then a 10? No way! That takes an 8 and drops her to a 6. I literally feel like I'm bizarro world when I get the number of a hot girl.. mid to late 20s and she texts me like a 14 year old complete with text speak and hard to get games..etc. Still want her? Her games are a joke. Follow the process and get her. But why would you want her? That's not quality. That's a girl who hasn't a lot going for her but her looks. And she's never any incentive to work on her life. But WE are supposed to work on ourselves to get these girls? It's laughable.

We should be aspiring to the girls who AREquality. Inside and out. Beautiful, smart, intelligent and interesting. And what specifically makes her all those things is up to you.

You can't tell yourself you are a man of quality yet look up to women who've yet to prove they are worthy of you Yet. Remember the meaning of Girls Chase and the theme of the site... I think it's completely lost here. Improve yourself so THEY chase. Not just pretend to yourself you're a better man to still look up to women Who dont work to be the best person they can be just as much as you did.

 

[ray_zorse]

Thinking a bit more along the lines of my previous post, I realizs that I really never have trouble finding good conversations. I get what u say about feeling u are a teenager around certain shallower type circles but honestly I don't encounter this unless I actually hang around teenagers.

This may be a local thing -- I'm mainly talking to international students or graduates, and they tend to have a fair bit of life experience, like a degree in China or India before coming here, plus I am always keen to get them sharing about their culture, growing up, dating etc... but honestly I don't think it is any of these things really, it is more that I am in the moment, enjoying their company, I love all women & am genuinely curious to hear about their experience... whereas you sound a bit, well, jaded? Can you do something to rediscover the joy somehow?

Same with GC boards, I don't think they are so different than before, more that your (and my) perceptions changed...

Ray

 

[Franco]

Estate,

But can we be done with the "all blondes are HB10s and all other girls suck" posts. It's ridiculous. Take away her blonde hair. Does she still have an attractive face and body? Is she interesting? What ! O's she do with her life? See we devote all OUR time into being better men but don't value ANY of that in a woman that does the same. In fact I think a lot of guys would turn down that girl as she's not the club queen.

This is really just the same two or three guys complaining about this, and we've repeatedly given these guys the advice they need to succeed. It's up to them to start changing their limiting beliefs and continually take action to improve their lives (and sometimes that action just involves moving to a better location first and foremost). One of those limiting beliefs is that blonde-haired All-American girls are the cream of the crop -- bar none. That is really NOT the case, and those girls are not even my personal top preference, although they do have qualities about them that make them desirable in specific ways, of course.

Sure.. some girls don't NEED to develop good personality. They are hot. So that makes then a 10? No way! That takes an 8 and drops her to a 6. I literally feel like I'm bizarro world when I get the number of a hot girl.. mid to late 20s and she texts me like a 14 year old complete with text speak and hard to get games..etc. Still want her? Her games are a joke. Follow the process and get her. But why would you want her? That's not quality. That's a girl who hasn't a lot going for her but her looks. And she's never any incentive to work on her life. But WE are supposed to work on ourselves to get these girls? It's laughable.

It's really up to you which girls you decide to go for, but sometimes sex with attractive women is good for just that: sex. You actually don't always have to have a full-blown connection with a girl to enjoy the thrill of sex with an attractive stranger. As long as she's not completely off-putting in one way or another, then I find sex with random women to be fun and spontaneous, regardless of their personality (or lack thereof). All that weak personalities/goals tell me is that these women are not long-term material, so I learn to enjoy them for the short-term (and they get to enjoy me).

We should be aspiring to the girls who AREquality. Inside and out. Beautiful, smart, intelligent and interesting. And what specifically makes her all those things is up to you.

Right, but these girls aren't necessarily a dime dozen. Like I mentioned, I only run into girls that I would take long-term interest in on average about twice a year; in the meantime, I still take great enjoy in having sex with very attractive women.

You can't tell yourself you are a man of quality yet look up to women who've yet to prove they are worthy of you Yet. Remember the meaning of Girls Chase and the theme of the site... I think it's completely lost here. Improve yourself so THEY chase. Not just pretend to yourself you're a better man to still look up to women Who dont work to be the best person they can be just as much as you did.

Agree. There's no women I see in this world as "above" me or as the "trophy" women of our time. There's just women. And I find them all adorable.

- Franco

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Interesting post.

I won't comment on the "fulfillment from random lays with average girls" stuff, cuz that's a whole bag of really difficult discussion that CAN be interesting, but feelings usually get in the way of really fleshed out analyses of desire/fulfillment.

As for college game - I mean, I won't deny that these girls are easy to hook up with and for the most part they like the douchey guy, but that's cuz the playing field isn't too high; most girls find arrogant/douchey behavior hot because it's the highest tier of sexy and dominant behavior they've ever seen.

Once out in the "real world" with 21+ year old bitches, I'm sure I'll have to strengthen my game and adjust to a competition pool where these girls have seen and sucked the douchey guy too many times and it's now old hat - they want higher caliber dick that shows off the "nuanced" game you mention.

Nevertheless, college is also a highly competitive scene in terms of abundance. They have SO many options in a very centralized location, as opposed to a city where men are scattered according to their jobs, regular hangouts, and there's tons of homeless people and other low-quality peeps who dampen their field of cock-vision. This high-volume/small-area dynamic makes the college scene competitive in that it's faster paced and highly-unstable.

But if that don't make you happy, I'll getchu some LRs with some high-quality snatch when I graduate in a few months and move to a city. Don't worry, buba

- Hector

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The whole hot blonde being unattainable thing is something I have seen brought up a lot on both the internet and in real life. Remember, Eliot Rodgers suffered from the same exact issue except he was insane on top of all that. I have talked about it myself, American society puts these women on a pedestal but I also have my own theory as to why it is so prevalent in pickup and seduction. You see, a lot of these guys who get into pickup and seduction are late bloomers. Back in high school or maybe even in college, they didn't have the type of success they wanted. Now at your stereotypical American (or Canadian) high school, the hottest girl is for the most part a good looking blonde. For a lot of the middle class and upper middle class areas this is especially true.

Now being that these guys were likely nerds, outcasts, or just went through high school and college feeling that emptiness inside of them they feel the need to go after the hot blonde types they could not get in high school. Not for attraction sometimes but more so for validation. Guys want to feel like the man by having the hot blonde by their arms.

And the truth is, as I have said many times, a lot of hot blondes know they are desired. They know their market value. A lot of girls dye their hair blonde just to be your stereotypical pretty girl.

Many of them are used to the validation of being treated like queens by American society. Not sure how things are up there in Boston but for most of the USA, these women are at the top of the ladder in terms of desirability. This is especially true in the midwest and the southern states. If you have a hot blonde by your arms, Americans will assume that there is just something special about you and see you as high status. I don't make these rules up, this is generally true for almost all of America. Tbh, I don't agree with it but it is the way it is.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

College seemed like a mirage to me personally. At first, yes there were a higher concentration of attractive girls than your normal place but I found that most of the times it was the same group of guys getting laid in college. For the most part, frat boys and athletes were the ones who took up a lot of the better looking girls but I went to school where Greek Life was a pretty big deal. Just by having the right Greek letters, you had an "in" with the better looking women on campus who were usually in a given sorority. My workload for college was massive as well, especially as I became an upperclassman.

So much mattered on status back at my college campus, if you ran in certain crowds you got laid but if you didn't then you just didn't.

I could never figure the game itself out back in my college days and most of my lays were foreign exchange and women that didn't go to that college.

What's weird is that I knew I had better game and was much better looking than a lot of the guys at my college that did get laid but I didn't run in the right crowds due to having a busy schedule so I couldn't get the better looking girls.

College is beautiful in the sense that an average looking guy who runs in the right crowds can get girls way out of his league and do better than a guy that is clearly better looking and has better game. In the real world, I have found that looks, salary, and your game matter a lot more than they did back in college.


This post by Good Looking Loser sums it all up perfectly, I highly suggest all young guys who have a few years left of college read it because I found it to be so true.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/c ... ege-part-2

 

[Smith]

Once out in the "real world" with 21+ year old bitches, I'm sure I'll have to strengthen my game and adjust to a competition pool where these girls have seen and sucked the douchey guy too many times and it's now old hat - they want higher caliber dick that shows off the "nuanced" game you mention.

Nevertheless, college is also a highly competitive scene in terms of abundance. They have SO many options in a very centralized location, as opposed to a city where men are scattered according to their jobs, regular hangouts, and there's tons of homeless people and other low-quality peeps who dampen their field of cock-vision. This high-volume/small-area dynamic makes the college scene competitive in that it's faster paced and highly-unstable.

This is pretty true. During my summer break, I was living in a metropolitan city, and it did force me to improve my game. The first two weeks were painful. Women in big cities are mostly busy with their jobs. Some of them rarely get attentions from a lot guys like they did back in college, so there's more lonely women out there.
Now I'm back in my uni town, even though the girls here aren't as cute (lower "quality"), they are still quite popular and busy with their social life and study. Not having a lot of success inside college compared to the "real world" so I kinda prefer the "real world" and looking forward to graduating next year.

- My PhD example was just an example. I like a career girl, a traveller or someone active or with something going on in their life. That's my 10. But it may not be yours and that's totally fine. But can we be done with the "all blondes are HB10s and all other girls suck" posts. It's ridiculous. Take away her blonde hair. Does she still have an attractive face and body? Is she interesting? What ! O's she do with her life? See we devote all OUR time into being better men but don't value ANY of that in a woman that does the same. In fact I think a lot of guys would turn down that girl as she's not the club queen.
- Sure.. some girls don't NEED to develop good personality. They are hot. So that makes then a 10? No way! That takes an 8 and drops her to a 6. I literally feel like I'm bizarro world when I get the number of a hot girl.. mid to late 20s and she texts me like a 14 year old complete with text speak and hard to get games..etc. Still want her? Her games are a joke. Follow the process and get her. But why would you want her? That's not quality. That's a girl who hasn't a lot going for her but her looks. And she's never any incentive to work on her life. But WE are supposed to work on ourselves to get these girls? It's laughable

I know what you mean. Sometimes I just can't be bothered replying girls who are trying to play that "hard to play" game I've seen so many times. I know these girls are probably just browsing fb and watching drama...etc. Not trying to sound too arrogant, but I don't feel like these girls deserve my time. If they flake, I feel relieved because I would rather be working on my projects. When I think about how short life is, it just puts everything in perspective. Agree with you man!

 

[Estate]

So I do hear what you guys are saying about college. I was far from being a lady killer at that time of my life. It was due to inexperience and not really knowing all this was possible.

A few years removed I found college women not so difficult. It doesn't really take uber levels of game. It just requires you to stand out a little more whether that be being douchey or a jock which personally wouldn't describe me or just having some niche where you're not just generic guy in the class. Beyond that game really comes down to banter and being fun. It doesn't require James Bond level seduction in most cases. I wish I'd known that in college but have made up for it since.

With the wealth of knowledge available here to you guys still in that phase. It shouldn't be too difficult to up your college game quickly.

On the hot blonde thing. It's not a mid west thing. Or a southern thing. It's world wide. I see lots of guys here from other countries who idealise these women. Look back in history. Blonde women were seen as a prize in Mediterranean countries because they were so rare.

We can't change society as a whole. Hot women get attention. shocker!
But as guys on THIS board. We can still hold people to better standards. I go back to my last point. If you're working so hard to be a better man but only require a woman to have blonde hair you've already lost or given up. If we strive to be better men then those around us should be the same type of people who raise their game to our standards. Improving yourself and then literally only having one standard (i.e. she is blocked de or just hot without knowing she has anything else going on for herself) then what's the point? You're always seeing yourself as beneath her striving to do everything to improve yourself just to SOMEHOW snag a "hot girl".

The blonde thing has been done to death. The 2 greatest women I ever dated were brunette. Both had personalities to kill and life's to admire. And they were smokeshows. Natural smokeshows. The type who'll wake up at 5am with no makeup and you still think they are the hottest woman alive. I see that as reAL quality. But it's not for everyone. That's ok. We all have different tastes. that makes us human. But blonde, brunette, read head or bald. It's really the least important thing when we discuss quality.

I've said over and Over. I've stuck around here so long because it's a cool place with cool guys. I don't want to see it devolved into other PUA type places out there.

 

[Brish]

Estate,
Your post really hit the right note. I stick with Girlschase because of the focus on becoming a greater man, not merely attracting dozens of average women. By now my top activity here was reading through the articles, thus I adapted the mindset of becoming the genuine man who can seduce top tier women, as my ultimate goal.

Nevertheless, I do realise that focus solely on quality hindered my past success with women. I preferred to concentrate rather on sports or new skills, than to put time and effort into women that I didn't dig that much. As a result when I stumbled across great looking, ambitious and fun gal I was rarely able to accomplish a thing. That's why quantity should not be put aside, at least in my opinion. It helps you to grow and be ready when life gives you the opportunity.

There are many guys here who definitely already have skills necessary to go for top tier. Though vast majority are here because they're still missing something. And you have to start small too go big, there is no other way. You have to be a jock to become James Bond one day. You need to build some base level of confidence to go out and meet women day-time and sober, especially those that give you heart-rate spikes.

College parties are just the natural environment for guys in college to start building this confidence, it wouldn't be clever to drop out pickup there. Still I completely agree that our final goal in terms of dating should correspond to our own aspirations. In other words it's a shame to completely focus our life, energy and ambitions on "drunk party girls", way below our own level. That should remain merely a way to the bigger goal.

Another thing, at least for me, is I would prefer to write about my success stories, not my fuck-ups. I guess that's similar for many people here. I guess it is the reason for many reports with drunk gals / tinder gals, posted merely cause poster scored and got some ego boost. It easier to brag, even when the thing is not that spectacular, than to write about times when you aimed high but failed.

As Franco wrote the vast majority of people looking to improve their seduction skills are those who are not that good yet, likely close to university age. Older men usually are settled down or already found their way.
For younger inexperienced guys it would be foolish to focus on women out of reach. I guess something that could result in eternal misery, people need success to keep going. The thing is to constantly improve and raise the bar. It's great that you remind us not to forget about quality and improvement. Its hard, because it is tightly bonded with constantly failing, but its worth it, as not succeeding all the time but failure and growth is what gives man happiness.

 

[Chase]

Thanks for the note here, Estate. I read this, and Franco PM'ed me about more blonde bombshell posts going up.

I've thread-merged all the bombshell posts from the past year or so with the one I did on this originally last April:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5840

Put up a further post explaining that anything else about "blonde bombshells" is going to get merged with the above thread from here on out as well:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9878

I know it's painful to see people struggling, and you want to help them, but the fact is that wherever there's a self-improvement forum like this there are always people who will endlessly ask the same questions again and again, and no matter what you tell them they never get better. It's always because they're either a.) not doing what you're telling them to do at all (half the time), b.) only doing 10% of what you're telling them to do and figure they're too smart for the rest of it and don't need to do it (most of the rest of the time), or c.) they're doing everything you're telling them to do, but they're deficient on certain universal social nuances that make people come across wrong socially, and they aren't aware of what their faux pas are (otherwise they'd fix them, or tell you the mistake and you could help them fix them).

Eventually guys reach a point where you've got to tell them, "Hey man, I can't help you any further; you're going to have to go get coaching," and if they won't pay for someone knowledgeable to coach them in-person and actually assess where they're off the mark, you've got to let them go and admit that with the limited knowledge you have of their situation you just don't know why they can't make it work and there's nothing else you can do for them.

Tough when you're the problem solver type, like many of us here are, but sometimes you're just not getting the information you need to actually solve a guy's problem (most typically it's when he isn't aware of what the problem is himself), and nothing works short of watching the guy in-field with your own two eyes or coaching him over the phone and digging into what he's doing (and sometimes even this latter isn't enough, and seeing him with your own eyes is the only thing that does it).

Even then, sometimes you will tell the guys you've figured out what their problem is and tell them exactly how to fix it, and they'll go, "No, that's not it," and totally ignore your suggestion and try a million other things under the sun that won't work instead. In this case, you've just got to write them off as not open to learning from others, and leave them to it... you can't force anybody to change.

Chase

 

[Chase]

Oh, one other note, especially on the "ratings scale": that's something I think you'll see with guys who are newer or guys who aren't on the boards too frequently. It's sort of a PUA culture thing that isn't really a part of the culture here, but guys less integrated with the GC culture bring it over not realizing it's not so much used here (for the reasons I stated in my post on the 1-to-10 ratings scale and a variety of others).

Typically as they post more and hang around more and realize they're the only ones using it they tend to abandon it. Takes time for newer people to adapt to an unfamiliar culture.

Chase

 

[Troy]

Typically as they post more and hang around more and realize they're the only ones using it they tend to abandon it. Takes time for newer people to adapt to an unfamiliar culture.

Chase

Sorry to go off target but this part stuck out to me. I didn't want to make a new tread for this so I'll make it quick.

I'm very acquainted with G.C. articles. If anyone showed me pictures from ANY of the articles I could tell you the name of the article. I've realized that I learn best when I link images to some of my.posts. Of course I won't put images on others posts unless it is REALLY relevant. Maybe ya'll have seen me doing this but I haven't seen anyone do this.

It feels weird to ask: Is it annoying seeing images on posts? Should I stop? I don't want to be the ONLY white duckling among yellow duckling here.

If I dont attach images to some of my treads then I probably won't learn as fast but stopping might be better to adapt to the culture here.

Troy