Question about Opening, Transition and reaching the Hook

[Libertin]

Hey guys,

I'm kinda confused about advice given about opening and the transtion to reach the hook point. In Chase's article "Book Excerpts: Reaching the Hook Point with Girls" it's told you shouldn't focus on talking about yourself, instead having the focus on her and deep dive until she hooks. He writes:

"Ask her questions. Ask a few basic questions early on to get some information to work with. If she has an accent, remark that she has one and ask her where she’s from. If she has an interesting item or accessory on, ask her what the story behind it is. Ask her what brought her out or what her story is.

DON’T talk too much about yourself. Particularly before a woman’s hooked, she doesn’t really care about you. She would much rather feel like you care about her. Therefore, it is important that early conversation be almost entirely about her with little dwelling on you. Even if she asks about you, move the conversation off of you and back onto her quickly. "

The advice is to ask questions before she hooks? In another article ("Staying Unfazed") he tells the opposite:

"Don't open with questions unless you know what you're doing. As in that example above. I'll use "How's your night going?" to start conversations off in nightspots, but I know what I'm going to say next no matter what she says. (...)

It's fine to play around with these as you sort out your default answers and explore the possibilities, but if you're out on a mission and the mission isn't to learn, stay away from questions, which give women a wide range of possible responses and an opportunity to toss a potential rejection (if you fail to handle it properly) at you right off the bat.

Don't follow up your opening with a question, unless you opened very strong. Too many guys do this, and women hate it and take it as a sign of uncertainty. Even today, if I'm feeling a little rusty and fall into the trap of following up an open with a question, this still results in a bad end to an early interaction a startlingly high percent of the time. Women just don't like it. (...)

Don't ask too many questions. How many is too many is going to depend on where in the interaction you are. If you're opening, more than one question is usually too many. If she seems interested, more than three in a row seems like too many. If she's very interested and you're well into a deep dive, you can go a lot longer and it's okay (maybe six or seven-ish?). If you've already used up your questions and she isn't getting into the conversation, switch over to statements or expositions (like the example we used in #2 above)."

My question is how does this fit together? And when the advice is not to ask a question in transition what's recommended? Most PUAs say you can use an observation or assumption/cold read + some teasing to make her more curious and avoid a platonic conversation. What is your point on this? Maybe Chase or some other Girls Chase writer can clearify the "contradiction".

Greets


Libertin

 

[Chase]

Libertin-

Sure. Here's how those work put together:

• After you open her, try to avoid going straight to another question. Don't do "How's your night going?" --> she answers --> "Come here a lot then?"

• DO ask questions. Find stuff out about her. Don't go into talking about yourself in excess, unless it's something brief that relates to her. BAD: (she's not saying anything, so you start talking) "I just moved here from Colorado. Man! It is so much hotter here than up in the mountains. I kind of miss that mountain air sun." GOOD: (she's not saying anything) "You look like you're from around here. You local?" (she says no) "Oh no? Where from?" (she tells you she's from Canada) "Canada! Great country. Beautiful place. Nice people. The customs and border security are monstrous though. You guys really don't like people visiting."

• Don't ask too MANY questions. If you're asking a lot of questions, switch over to turning your questions into statements or cold reads. Instead of "Are you a student?" make it "Hmm... I bet you're a student."

Early conversation should be about her (mostly).

It's fine to talk about yourself if it's to relate (briefly) to something she's said. Or if she asks you a question. Try to keep it mostly aimed at her.

You want to ask questions to get her talking. But you don't want to ask too MANY questions... if it starts to feel like an interview, use cold reads or turn your questions into statements.

That clarify?

Chase

 

[Libertin]

Thanks for the answer, Chase.

In another post you said when a girl doesn't give you much you should shift into statements/cold-reads and when this doesn't work change into opinions you have or stories. Does this also apply before the hook point when she doesn't talk much or is it just for a later phase with girls who are shy where you really know she is into you even she isn't talking much?