Questions on hook point, lack of eye contact, and pulling

[jdoc]

Hey fellas,

1. My latest sticking point is reaching the hook point in the initial approach, what are some strategies you guys have found useful to reach it?

2. Occasionally I go on dates with girls who are uncomfortable with eye contact, or do not provide enough of it, making it hard to build sexual tension. Is there a good way around this?

3. I live far away from the city with my parents, so pulling back to my place is not an option - it must be hers. I was thinking about trying a pull like this, curious to see what people think:

After building rapport and deep diving her, I'd wait for an escalation window. I was thinking, that I'd let the conversation die down a little so that we're just staring into each other's eyes for a 2 or 3 seconds, at which point I'd say something like "you know what? You're a pretty interesting gal." After her response, I'd say "let's take a walk". After exiting the coffee place, or when she asks where we're going, I'd say "you know what? Your place is closer than mine. Let's head back to your pad and kick back a while longer. You lead the way." If there are any objections, I'd handle them.

Few more questions:
- Is it bad to pull after a moment of intense sexual tension (i.e. unbroken eye contact for 2 seconds), or is it better to do so at the height of the conversation when she's laughing and most comfortable?
- What are some good excuses to head back to her place? I've heard mention of watching movies, or eating food - but they don't seem entirely convincing to me. The reason why I ask is, that if she gives me an objection it'll be hard to handle them if I don't have a good reason to head back to her place - and she'll know that what I'm really focused on is just to get back to her place to "chill".
- When pulling, should you're vibe convey that you actually just want to hang out without any sexual agenda (puts her more at ease because she might think that you actually just want to hang out), or should your vibe convey "yeah when we're alone I'm gonna bang your brains out"?
- Is the best time to pull immediately after an escalation window (say 10 seconds?)

Any insight is of course welcomed and appreciated, thanks!

- Jeff

 

[Bboy100]

My latest sticking point is reaching the hook point in the initial approach, what are some strategies you guys have found useful to reach it?

There are two ways to improve your chances of reaching the hook point. The first is simply improving your fundamentals. If your fundamentals are solid enough, girls will be hooked at hello and even before that.
Ex. The other weekend, I was out on the street outside of a club. I didn't even approach the girl. I just walked by her and she went out of her way to give me a high-five. Needless to say, if she's approaching me, she's already "hooked". This is as a result of nothing other than my fundamentals.

The other way is via Repartee. This is basically any type of playful/flirty/bantering type conversation. I would give you an example, but its kinda hard to come up with something on the spot. Its usually just something I do when I'm "in the moment" during a conversation.

2. Occasionally I go on dates with girls who are uncomfortable with eye contact, or do not provide enough of it, making it hard to build sexual tension. Is there a good way around this?

There are a lot of different things other than EC which contribute to sexual tension. Read the article Richard linked in this forum thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10603
Feel free to read the thread itself too. Cause its somewhat relevant to what you're asking.

3. I live far away from the city with my parents, so pulling back to my place is not an option - it must be hers. I was thinking about trying a pull like this, curious to see what people think:

After building rapport and deep diving her, I'd wait for an escalation window. I was thinking, that I'd let the conversation die down a little so that we're just staring into each other's eyes for a 2 or 3 seconds, at which point I'd say something like "you know what? You're a pretty interesting gal." After her response, I'd say "let's take a walk". After exiting the coffee place, or when she asks where we're going, I'd say "you know what? Your place is closer than mine. Let's head back to your pad and kick back a while longer. You lead the way." If there are any objections, I'd handle them.

Yeah, that seems fine.

Is it bad to pull after a moment of intense sexual tension (i.e. unbroken eye contact for 2 seconds), or is it better to do so at the height of the conversation when she's laughing and most comfortable?

Definitely pull at a high point in the conversation.

What are some good excuses to head back to her place? I've heard mention of watching movies, or eating food - but they don't seem entirely convincing to me. The reason why I ask is, that if she gives me an objection it'll be hard to handle them if I don't have a good reason to head back to her place - and she'll know that what I'm really focused on is just to get back to her place to "chill".

It doesn't really matter what your excuse is. If she wants to fuck, she'll say yes. If she's not, it doesn't matter what your excuse is, she'll say no.

As for objections...what you need to understand is that in situations like these, you're not actually trying to logically convince her to change her mind. There's more to it than that. See: https://www.girlschase.com/content/secre ... objections

When pulling, should you're vibe convey that you actually just want to hang out without any sexual agenda (puts her more at ease because she might think that you actually just want to hang out), or should your vibe convey "yeah when we're alone I'm gonna bang your brains out"?

She should definitely know that you're asking her back to yours with sexual intent. She doesn't have to specifically know with 100% certainty that you're going to fuck her. But she should know that you're inviting her home with sex being "on the table" so to speak.

 

[jdoc]

Solid stuff, thanks for the heads up Bboy!