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Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connection)

The Byronic Man

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This purchase is fantastic. This is exactly what I need work on, and I now know how I've been sabotaging my results (*FACEPALM*). Anyway, thought I'd start a thread for questions...rather than create a thread for each question that will likely arise later.

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Examples of gaps that push women away:

Saying something about her that's off the mark
  • "I bet you're a very sensitive person" but she's actually quite tough and independent
  • "You seem like you know exactly what you want out of life" but actually she isn't sure at all
  • "You must have done a lot of sports as a kid" but in fact she was shy and artistic
How is this different from cold reads?

Pretending you understand her when you don't
  • She mentions a favorite TV show, and you pretend to have seen it
  • She talks about how much she loves surfing, and you give her a blank stare
If the TV show is actually your favorite as well...or you also love surfing, should you mention it? If so, how do you mention it without coming across like you're seeking rapport?
 

Richard

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Got your PM Byronic, I'll gladly help, so!

How is this different from cold reads?

These are not cold reads, these are assumptions, which Alex so eloquently wrote about. Assumptions are a fantastic tool to use, and aren't even designed to be 100% right. With assumption, you make a statement, "You seem like you know exactly what you want out of life" when in reality, it may be wrong. Even if it is wrong, it's a chance to find out how she really is...

ANYWAY! A cold read is by definition, according to Wikipedia:

A series of techniques used to determine or express details about another person, often in order to convince them that the reader knows much more about a subject than they actually do.

The same principle applies to women. Cold reading is done with women, and I do this a lot ;), by analyzing body language, age, fashion, tones of voice, and a couple other things, but I generally use these myself.

In general, if I remember correctly, there are 5 types of cold reads, but, I'm not going into detail about each one. I'll cover the three most prevalent.

The Rainbow Ruse: This is basically when you compliment a girl about a quality and it's opposite.

Me: "A lot of people tell me you're the party girl who likes to club on Friday nights, but sometimes you enjoy taking a break from that, and relaxing with a movie at other times."

Fine Flattery: As a psych major, I really like this one ;) People have the tendency to compare others with themselves, and presumably assume they are better than others, and this type of cold read, plays heavily on that! Fine flattery is complimenting a girl on a good quality compared with most people.

Me: "You're really aware, and intelligent. Not just book smart like most people, but street smart coming from years of experience."

The "Psychic" Read: I don't generally use this one too much, but, this is basically a universal, or high percentage statement that usually applies to everyone, but you make the girl feel like she's special because of it.

Me: "I'll tell ya, I know you have psychic moments. Like, something tells you to put your best outfit on and make-up, do your hair nice, and that day you run into someone you were glad you looked your best for..."

These are cold reading examples ;)

If the TV show is actually your favorite as well...or you also love surfing, should you mention it? If so, how do you mention it without coming across like you're seeking rapport?

This my friend is where the idea of implicit vs. explicit value comes into place, and this is something I struggled with a bit when I started out, and NarrowJ gave me some great advice on it a while ago (thanks J!)

Anyway, explicit value is outright stating value, while implicit value is showing that you understand. The latter is not chasing nor seeking rapport, it's mutual connection.

Take for instance:
Her: "Yes! Pawn Stars is my absolute favorite show! Rick is so funny!!!"
Me: "I agree. I watch that show religiously, it's my favorite too! And yeah, Rick is funny! So is Chum-Lee, and the Old Man!"

Doesn't it feel like you're seeking her approval? It's because you are.

Now, another instance:

Her: "Yes! Pawn Stars is my absolute favorite show! Rick is so funny!!!"
Me: "That's awesome, I love learning about history."

Here, I'm not outright stating anything, I'm not saying it's my favorite show, nor am I seeking her approval. I'm showing her that I've seen the show, and I like it. This also baits her into asking more, like "Oh, so you've seen the show?"

By showing value and showing understanding rather than explaining understanding, you're not chasing, you're naturally expressing similar interest ;)
 

The Byronic Man

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That's awesome, Richard!

I'll have to work hard on SHOWING, rather than EXPLAINING, understanding. Explicit value is a bad habit of mine. I think many people do this, so it's something that may not be a deal breaker, but all the little things add up.

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As an aside, I've been misusing the Juggler Method. It works if you already have all these conversational skills down. Because I don't, I've been talking WAY TOO much (in the wrong way that Juggler doesn't explain how to avoid or why it's even wrong), thinking it will create a connection and get her to open up. Yikes! That's the OPPOSITE of what we do around here. As much as I love Juggler, it's not right for me because I don't have these fundamentals down, so I'm now officially only doing GC 100%. The M.O. of Juggler and GC unfortunately conflict...but Juggler does have some nice conversational tech that is consistent with GC.
 

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Re: Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connecti

Would this be a good example of conveying implicit value?

HER: I love progressive house music.
ME: I love how it just gets into my soul like a slow burning candle...and how it makes me dance with no care in the world.

Too explicit? I'm not saying I also love it. I talk about it as if she ALREADY knows I love it. Maybe it's the ASSUMPTION she already knows...is the right mentality?
 

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I think your close, but I think a stronger example would be:

Girl: I love progressive house music
You: Last weekend at club fierce I think DJ ______ (insert your favorite or most popular house musician here) said it best "I love how house just gets into my soul like a slow burning candle...and how it makes me dance with no care in the world."

I think yours was very explicit in that you directly stated what you liked about it get me? Here you would be implying that you know where they play house music, you also know of a DJ in that club, and you were even paying attention during his set and connected with it.

And just using that example if she's a fan she's probably heard of or been to the club and knows of the DJ... so she'd instantly know your a person who also is a fan of that scene too.

Now I could be totally off here but this was my stab at it from my knowledge of explicit and implicit.
 

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Re: Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connecti

Thanks, Jano.

Is there an article on this explicit vs. implicit value stuff somewhere? Couldn't find it with a search.
 
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Chase explains well in his ebook, so if you have that one give it a search!

If not go out and buy it, it's worth the money.
 

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Re: Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connecti

Already have it. Been trying to get started!
 

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Jano, the only problem with the example you provided is that it comes off as too try-hard. If you re-read it, it sounds as if you're bragging because you know so much, instead of just relating to her.

WAIT!

In all honesty, I'd throw in a few things to her comment.

Girl: I love progressive house music.
Me: I know what you mean, it's really refreshing and soothing. What got you into it?

This is short and to the point, you state that you understand, you connect with how she feels, and ask an open ended question to get her talking about it more, allowing for more implicit value to be ran ;)

-Richard
 

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Re: Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connecti

Jano, the only problem with the example you provided is that it comes off as too try-hard. If you re-read it, it sounds as if you're bragging because you know so much, instead of just relating to her.

True I would stay away from lines that sound like they came from a movie script. Nobody really talks like that even though films can have brilliant scripts. Any lines that sound like they came from a movie = too try-hard. But then again I could be wrong.
 

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Re: Questions on Spellbinding Riveting Conversations (a.k.a. building a connecti

Okay, I read the part about explicit vs. implicit value. Not surprisingly, it was fantastic stuff and easy to understand and utilize.

Would you guys think this is another example of using implicit value?

Girl: I love progressive house music.
Me: Do you have a favorite artist?


You could also ask it this way: Cool! Who's your favorite artist?

But it comes across as a screen, and this type of screen can create a gap, which is an unnecessary risk if her liking the same artists as you do is not important to you. Asking the question the first way seems...more graceful? Maybe one of the more experienced guys can shed light.

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Ironically, a lady used explicit value on me today. I told her I liked sushi, and she enthusiastically told me she did too. So I rewarded her be saying that we're sushi cohorts now (cheesy, I know) and then asked her what her favorite is, which is a screen I actually care about because I want to know if she liked real sushi or Americanized rolls (both are good, but a lady who also appreciates real sushi is a HUGE plus for me).
 

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Zphix said:
Jano, the only problem with the example you provided is that it comes off as too try-hard. If you re-read it, it sounds as if you're bragging because you know so much, instead of just relating to her.

WAIT!

In all honesty, I'd throw in a few things to her comment.

Girl: I love progressive house music.
Me: I know what you mean, it's really refreshing and soothing. What got you into it?

This is short and to the point, you state that you understand, you connect with how she feels, and ask an open ended question to get her talking about it more, allowing for more implicit value to be ran ;)

-Richard

Haha thanks for the correction here. I was trying to use his original example and I might have taken it a bit far!
 
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