Rant: The Manosphere is for fools - let's start a "beta" male revolution

[Slippin' Jimmy]

Any time some "alpha male" bell-end (a la Return of Kings style) starts talking about red pill, alpha/beta dichotomy, fight club etc. this song starts playing in my head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD-yG2XnxpU

I'm not saying all of the manosphere is inane garbage for miserable idiots - but most of it is, and all it takes is most of it. Tough guy alpha male posturing and stuff that is not conducive to seduction. Why are these guys so bitter and angry towards girls? These attitudes are not helpful to getting laid, or helpful to anything, apart from stamping your feet on the ground in indignant existential rage against the world, and WOMEN!!! who are SO, SO mean, and wrong about everything.

Idea: Lets re-invent beta male to make it the new "alpha" (or whatever these knob-jockeys want to call it): sensitive, vulnerable, heart-on-sleeve combined with edgy, sexy, playful and promiscuous vibe. Kinda like Russell Brand, Axl rose ("i'd probably break down and cry"), Pete Doherty or Juan Antonio (Main character from Vicki Christi Barcelona). I'm gonna start wearing a cardigan and leather pants, and opening women with "i'm a sensitive nice guy, please don't break my heart". I predict I will start banging 5-10 hot new sluts a week with this vibe.

"Alpha" males can have their angry, disdainful little manosphere community, while we are out loving and sleeping with women, with unadulterated passion and emotion. Sure, we might get hurt from time to time, but its all part of the roller coaster of life and love. Better to put yourself out there, put away your ego and put your feelings on the line, then to be forever curled up in a ball of hatred against the injustice and tyranny of this cruel, evil world.

 

[trashKENNUT]

SJ,

"Alpha" males can have their angry, disdainful little manosphere community, while we are out loving and sleeping with women, with unadulterated passion and emotion

I think the occasional stop to think and walk in their shoes is good. People do not suddenly hate. It's a gradual thing.

Zac

 

[Drck]

You have to realize that we are most likely talking about two different groups of guys. If we can generalize (which means that there is lots of exceptions), younger groups of guys say 18-25, and older groups of guys, say 32+.

So in the younger group, those are guys with less experience with girls. They are approaching, they are looking for openers, they are learning seduction skills... These guys are still inexperienced with girls, mostly they still see girls as this sweet and naive girls that constantly giggle. There is still lots of idealization, these guys are working hard on self-improvement, these guys have big plans in life and so forth. The way I see it is, that group like that is mostly here on GC (obviously with exceptions)

Now move the time 10-15 years further, to older group. These guys slept with girls, they don't worry about approaching, openners or texting. Mostly they already have some life experiences, they have jobs, sometimes boring... They have simply been around, in many cases they were screwed by woman, they were cheated on, maybe they have children, are divorced, paying alimony and child support... Sometimes they are pissed at world, at women, jobs, crooks, unfairness... That is just life.... If you think that Life is this great thing and everything is pink and fun, that we all care about each other, well, I don't know what to tell you. I guess just keep living that dream as long as you can so you don't have to face it. Do you think these guys will be polishing their sexy smiles? Worry about sexy haircut, walks, how to look mysterious? Many just won't, they could care less. They are far beyond the point of trying to impress. They are not seeking some sophisticated ways to seduce girls, all they want is to get laid with least amount of work possible, with hottest girls possible. Thus it is much simpler, perhaps more primitive way.

You could easily argue that this simple(r) way is much less effective because, well, because there is simply much less sophistication. But don't be mistaken, simple and straightforward game, some assholeness and "alpha" features can be very very effective...

 

[Chase]

Jimmy-

I’d avoid getting caught up in the politics altogether if self-improvement is the goal.

Masculinity movements like the manosphere have their places and serve their roles, just as feminist movements do. They’re two sides of the pendulum; when a society swings too far to one side, the forces within that society begin to push on the pendulum to push it the other way.

You’ll notice that feminism-vs.-masculinism is a river that runs through pretty much every culture, and the men in the histories of every society complain about the feminists of their days (just as I’m sure women would be complaining about the masculinists of their days if women wrote more histories, but history is usually more of a male interest than a female one).

That said, be careful of political reactionary sentiments. Western feminism started as a “Let’s push back against the patriarchy!” deal. The manosphere then started as a “Let’s push back against the feminists!” one. If you get into a “Let’s push back against the manosphere!” kind of thing, you’re still playing the game.

The better way, when individual self-improvement is the goal, is to understand why these movements exist, why they have been selected for by societal evolution (i.e., obviously feminism and masculinism poles and rebalancing play important roles in social evolution, otherwise we wouldn’t keep seeing them over and over again through history), then get yourself disentangled from them.

Maybe think of our roles in the great chain of history and society as either being part of a movement or being individual contributors. The folks in a movement rely on influencing history through mass effect, like the feminists in the 10th century Islamic caliphate or the supporters of Cleomenes’s attempt at a restoration of a once-proud and tough Sparta. The individualists focus on making more intellectual / innovative contributions, like Da Vinci or Archimedes, rather than pushing for social change, like the mass effect-focused people.

We all have a place, either as one of those on the see-saw helping to keep the perpetual back-and-forth balance of society swinging along, or one of those trying to push mankind forward through apolitical contribution. It’s not fair to say one of these is more important than the other, either; for all we know, social collapses may happen when too many individuals opt out of participating in the see-saw and one side grows too powerful for too long. Each man must pick his preference, but if yours is “leaps for mankind” (or even just leap YOURSELF forward), be careful about spending too much time on the see-saw of politics.

Chase

 

[Slippin' Jimmy]

Chase, I enjoyed reading your insightful analysis on the trends of intellectual history, and individualist vs social activist types. I would be interested if you could recommend any books on the subject. "Intellectuals and society" by Thomas Sowell is an interesting read too.

I believe the manoshphere is a very confused place, and whilst there are some insightful and worthwhile articles such as this one:http://www.returnofkings.com/53147/how-to-recognize-meaningless-rhetoric-from-masters-of-deception
- a lot of it is thinly-veiled venting and (I know this word is overused) misogyny masquerading as self-improvement/PUA for guys who are alienated.

To sum up my jaded skepticism towards the manosphere: the mansophere is to misogyny what feminism is to misandry. Both movements are irrational and philosophically unsound. Completely agree that getting involved in political squabbles is not helpful for self-improvement, and this is one of the reasons I appreciate Girlschase, which has an apolitical stance yet is unapologetic for its political incorrectness. The manosphere does not do the "masculinist" movement any favours by the vitriolic, biased and often delusional articles which are regularly published, and only serve as fodder for more feminist ridicule.

Being angry and bitter at your own crummy situation is understandable (I've been there; hasn't everyone?). Creating your own clique of self-anointed alpha red pill whats-its, and blaming everyone but yourself for your situation, is unproductive and delusional.