Re-open if they smile!

[Mr.Rob]

Something I like to use in street game from time to time or in a mall, any place where you must stop a girl walking to chat her up, is to re-open initial rejections that were at least warm towards you (they smiled)... and sometimes even the girls that are cold as ice just because it's fun and sometimes they end up warming up due to your persistence.

Sometimes initial rejections are shit tests (whether intentional or not) that can be overcome. Just catch back up to the girl get back in front of her and say "hi I missed you already so I figured I come back" or "you were so fun the first time I had to get some more of you". I've never had to do this more than once since they usually stop after the 2nd opening but I guess as long as they continue smiling you could go back again and again until they stop or leave altogether.

I have been forgetting to do this lately but I was reminded yesterday by a cool observer watching nearby. I've also gotten good reactions from the past when I've done this.

Will need more testing before I know if it's a rock solid something you make part of your toolbox or not. Can't tell if it's reactions vs. results thing.

Case in point:

At Walmart yesterday there was a particularly thick girl of European decent with a gorgeous head of blonde hair walking out of the door and I couldn't help myself from catching up to her to give her a compliment and chat her up for a second.

She smiled and after a little banter she blurted out "nice talking to you!" and started pushing her buggy away. I commanded her to hold on and then asked what her name was. She continued walking away. Now at this point I could go re open her and see if she respects/lowers her resistance to my charms due to my persistence or I could just move on to the next girl.

At this point I was just marking it up as a rejection and move on to the next girl but as I passed by a ghetto Caddilac Seville with a 50 year old ghetto black woman (my city's pretty hood) in it with the window rolled down. As I passed by she exclaimed "hey. Hey! Go back and get her, that's a damn good looking woman. Don't give up." I thought out loud "your right, thanks baby!" and proceeded to catch up to the girl that just rejected me.

I re opened her and we ended up exchanging names and having a fun conversation in the middle of the parking lot. Turned out she had a husband but she did however start asking me questions and we were friends afterwards. This never would have happened if I didn't re-open her and makes me wonder how many potential possibilities I've missed out on by not re opening women that were initially not interested.

Anyone else have any similar experiences with re opening?

-Rob

 

[BarryS1]

Sometimes initial rejections are shit tests (whether intentional or not) that can be overcome. Just catch back up to the girl get back in front of her and say "hi I missed you already so I figured I come back" or "you were so fun the first time I had to get some more of you". I've never had to do this more than once since they usually stop after the 2nd opening but I guess as long as they continue smiling you could go back again and again until they stop or leave altogether.

Mr. Rob, this is really interesting, never thought about re-opening in daygame before. I have used re-opening in social situations to chisel away at a girl's aloofness. Can't even count the number of cases where the girl just walks away after cold approaching during daygame. I always avoided eye contact with the girl because I did not want to freak her out. From your experience, it seems there's a lot more information to gain after she walks away - the game's not over yet!

I can see this working well on older women, where she may be shocked at first and walk away, but still thinking about the interaction. I'll give this a try!

 

[Marty]

Rob:

As I passed by she exclaimed "hey. Hey! Go back and get her, that's a damn good looking woman. Don't give up."

This is hilarious!

At what point are you speaking of a rejection? I'd say if the girl fails to open at all (this is actually quite rare in my case, but when it does happen I don't even count it as an approach) then there is no way in the world I'd retry. It would look desperate. "Failing to open" looks like this:

• Marty: Hey, how's your day going?
  
  Girl: Good.
  
  Marty: You have a lovely smile!
  
  Girl: Thank you, I appreciate that very much. (Said with a poker-face)
  
  Marty: What's your name?
  
  Girl: Uhhh.... excuse me, I have to go this way. (departs)

Or this:

• Marty: You look lovely in that dress, it suits you beautifully.
  
  Girl: Thank you. (Matter-of-fact tone, walks away).

Both of the above were taken from real situations some time ago, but the fact that I remember them emphasizes that they are the exception, not the rule. In those instances, I'd never attempt to reopen.

On the other hand, if she initially rejected a date but expected you to be more persistent, or was non-committal ("Uhhh... I don't know"—as if it was a hard question), I do think reopening is worth a try, where you can tell from her smile (as you said) or body language that she was charmed.

A case in point: on the beach on vacation last week, a girl actually reopened me back. There was a group of three Russian girls in swimsuits with a camera. I took their photo for them and started chatting, then immediately went direct on the one I liked. She snapped to one side, a few paces from the group, so that I could ask her out, but I was insufficiently confident after her initial response ("I don't know... we're leaving tomorrow") and failed to press. I now realize this was a show of resistance for the benefit of her friends, whom it turns out she didn't yet know all that well.

Once she was completely isolated from the group, though, I walked past and she engaged me in conversation. I deep-dived and we sat very close and touched. However, I screwed up the group dynamic when her friends and others from my own circle reappeared (not accustomed to this yet). She actually told me explicitly that she was uncomfortable because of the presence of other people. She reengaged me a third time just before she left the resort and I grabbed her contacts just for the hell of it.

So, Rob... I think the answer is yes, so long as you do it in the right circumstances (initial possible interest and giving the girl a moment to reflect and ruminate).

-Marty

 

[Mr.Rob]

Sup Marty hope the beach was nice .

Yes I agree the situation must be relevant otherwise your just going to look desperate, creepy, or not socially calibrated but I mostly meaning to use this for street/mall game where you have to literally stop a girl to chat and the girl either doesn't stop and ignores you or you stops for a second before dismissing you.

For example in your second example where you gave a compliment and she walked away I would consider that a good time to reopen. It's like you didn't even try that hard you were just hoping that she would bite. But when you opened your mouth your intention was to make a connection of some sorts even if she had a husband and you just shared some banter, you goal was to connect at least a little bit with her. By reopening it shows that you're persistent in your goal whatever that may be. Now I'm not saying that this is going to get you laid, in fact most girls that don't give you the time of day on the first approach aren't going to be interested anyway but ah why not I'm sure a certain percentage would be able to convert into a date/instadate. And plus its fun/funny!

And you don't even have to do it if they smile. Re open girls that were unresponsive and see if you can't get them to light up a bit.

Though you may not be allowed to get away with this since you always play the game on Smooth mode!

Definitely a Talkative sexy only thing.

Is that bad we keep relating to that article on operating styles? Ah whateves it makes sense.

Case in point... even though Sasha Daygames kind of wacky as far as approaching goes but here is a good example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Hq9XSqzFo
Attune to your needs.

-Rob

 

[Marty]

Rob:

Though you may not be allowed to get away with this since you always play the game on Smooth mode!

Definitely a Talkative sexy only thing.

You're right, if I tried something like what that crazy guy Sasha just did, it would be so fucking incongruent that I'd look like a teenager on stage who'd been roped into the school play and had no idea how to act.

You might be able to pull it off, on the other hand. Sasha didn't really get results that time, though, did he?

In any case, I'd be willing to bet that reopening on-the-spot has a better chance of success than contacting a girl later who only gave out her details reluctantly (the "I do have a boyfriend but here's my phone number anyway" situation that I often seem to run into).

-Marty

PS by the way I think this has some parallels with Shotgun Opening, only in day-game. Also reminds me of a totally weird effect where girls I've asked out in peripheral social circle, who have declined, nonetheless are then exaggeratedly pleased to see me the next time around—and may even accept at the second time of asking.

 

[TheWiseFool]

Omg. Marty cursed. I never thought I'd see the day