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Sometimes it's not the result, but the experience that counts. I owe a debt of gratitude to Chase Amante and all here who have supported me in my quest to become a man women love, because without the habit of cold approach, this experience would never have taken place. And that would have been a great pity. There are some moments in life so memorable that you instantly know you will hold onto them as long as you live.

At present I live in a city on the Eastern Seaboard that is a major air transit hub. Despite this, in order to get to my specific destination in the Middle East for a job interview over the Easter weekend, I needed to change in another major US city. So late Friday afternoon, I had cleared security and was walking toward the gate for my flight, when I beheld a sight for sore eyes enter a fast-food restaurant on the concourse.

She was 6'2" and had rich wavy hair almost down to her hips. Her body was beyond perfect, this fact emphasized by her choice of garment for the flight, a close-fitting, brightly-colored athletic suit with the logo of a well-known university sporting team. I wandered in behind her; alongside the shelves with prepared sandwiches she gave me a little "look", then turned to contemplate the selection of fresh-to-order foods displayed above the counter. I left the restaurant and posted up nearby, casually leaning against a pillar.

Presently she emerged bearing a paper bag and turned to walk down the concourse. Intrigued, I followed at a safe distance. To my delight she entered the seating area for my own gate and proceeded toward a row of seats that was completely empty. She chose one and set down a bag of chips from her meal on the neighboring seat.

I walked past her, made eye contact and watched as she reached out and removed the bag of chips to make room for me to sit. This was significant, as there were at least three more seats further down I could have equally well chosen to leave a small gap between us. I thanked her and sat right next to her.

  • Marty: Traveling to the same place as me?

    RecordHolder: Yeah!

    Marty: I noticed you as you left the restaurant with your lunch. That's some delightful long hair you have there! What's your name?
We chatted for about a half-hour. We had some aspects of our ancestry in common and related on the need to maintain a connection to the family's cultural background while living in the Anglosphere. I started by asking if she was a student; this was an easy read based on her apparent age (19, as I later confirmed in a correct cold-read). She was studying an unusual subject and had even more unusual career plans.

Game on. There was something very deep inside driving her toward such a specialist profession.

She was a swimmer, she told me modestly. This made it easy to relate, as I was a competitive swimmer in my teens myself. But never, as I discovered, to anything like the level of the person now sitting next to me. I asked her about the team spirit, the rivalry; I guessed that the competitive atmosphere on a women's team must get pretty nasty, and she giggled and confirmed that.

I asked what total distance of training she did per day, to get a read on what sort of level she was at... this is a good indicator if you know something about the sport.

10 kilometers per day, she replied. 6 days a week. Sundays off.

WTF?

10 kilometers daily is almost the level of a Michael Phelps or a Matt Biondi. In high school I was doing 2 to 2.5 km per day in preparation for competitions, and people were talking about it in the corridors. I was in first place across the board within the school three years in succession and was competing at county and regional events.

This girl was serious. I asked about what strokes she did and what distances.

It took about 20 minutes to tease it out of her. I put my hand on her thigh, and said with a smile, a sidelong glance and a wink: "You keep it pretty well-hidden, don't you?"

She told me, with a blush and averting her eyes, that she didn't like to boast. No kidding.

This chick is on the US National Swim Team.

As in... she knows a female US Olympic medalist personally and considers her an inspiring rival, a motivation to achieve. She isn't quite at the level yet to be on television and recognized nationwide as a household name, but she has competed internationally and won several medals.

I now find she even has a Wikipedia entry. She actually holds a national record in one specific discipline. Not that she told me that fact when we spoke. Like I said, she keeps it well-hidden.

Not long after, I sensed it was time to move things forward or get out. The last thing I wanted to do was to become a social burden as we waited at the departure gate, and she'd already gotten out her MacBook and logged into the airport WiFi during our low-key chat. The university she's at is outside the city, and I speculated that she probably didn't come into town very often, except to transit through, like now when she was visiting family on the Easter weekend. She confirmed that no, she didn't.

I joked that I didn't exactly go out to her college town often, and we had a good laugh about that. Nonetheless, I told her I'd hoped we might be able to do lunch of coffee, and asked her to leave her number. Of course, she had a boyfriend. In any case it's a total joke; she's from another world. But I had to ask.

She was dreadfully sweet about it though. She was evidently happy to be asked, and happy to be noticed. It's a source of endless amazement to me that one so accomplished and brilliant can also be so modest.

I went and sat in another area and let her get on. When I left the plane at my transit location, as she waited for her gate-checked baggage, I wished her a happy weekend with her parents and she thanked me.

Hope I see her on TV some day soon :)
 

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Marty,

Quick check: See if your post again and see if there's any personal info.

Discretion is the word, even if she is not yet or going to be on television. :)

Zac
 

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Zac, you're right. I've redacted it... can you have another look and let me know what you think.

If you still think it's on the risky side, I shall ask Franco to remove the thread completely. Thanks.
 

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Marty,

I don't see any personal information here at the moment that is too revealing, so I think you're fine. Also, I didn't see anything in this report that indicated it was a "FU" by any means. It seems like a traditional FR to me. Any reason you labeled it as such?

- Franco
 

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Franco,

Thanks for the reassurance.

On the classification, I'm not too clear about it, I admit... she respectfully declined any form of romantic involvement, which in normal circumstances would mean I wouldn't even file a report at all, but for the fact that this was an exceptionally talented high-achiever.

-Marty
 

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Hey Marty,

It took about 20 minutes to tease it out of her. I put my hand on her thigh, and said with a smile, a sidelong glance and a wink: "You keep it pretty well-hidden, don't you?"

Smooth, suave, sexy. This was an excellent reward for her modesty and a tremendous pull. Now Marty - imagine if you gave her a nice push here. For example, once a girl told me how great it is that I take care of my body, that I'm always so active, etc (I look like a twig but whatever). Then, she smiled like the devil and said:

Her: But Gentle_Phrases. You're always running so much. What are you running from?
*this was highschool, so it's okay that it was a little cheesy*

The way that she said it was implying that I was crazy or something and she was clearly teasing me. All of a sudden, I wanted to justify myself to her and prove that I wasn't a troubled child or something. There was a crackle of (sexual) tension in that light shove. It was a pleasant feeling of, "how dare she!" I felt compelled, emotionally, to regain her approval.

Not long after, I sensed it was time to move things forward or get out.The last thing I wanted to do was to become a social burden as we waited at the departure gate

You said this was 20 minutes right? Do you think that you could have moved her...say, airport café, bar, or maybe...bathroom? Ambitious, I know. Just remember we're going for *gold* here (couldn't resist).

Of course, she had a boyfriend. In any case it's a total joke; she's from another world. But I had to ask.

Pussy on the pedestal! Pussy on the pedestal! I can't tell if you truly believe this or you're just writing with romantic excess. Sure, your success rate with girls like this might be lower. Regardless, there'll be some that want you (like that one 18 year old). I just point this out to keep you on track; remember - you're the shit!

Plus she tacitly invited you over, talked to you for 20 minutes, you had your hand on her thigh - afterwhich I'm assuming she retained open body language towards you - and she didn't bring up her boyfriend until you went for her digits? I'd say your interaction went a bit too swimmingly for her boyfriend objection to account for much (I can't stop! It's a sickness!).

She was evidently happy to be asked, and happy to be noticed. It's a source of endless amazement to me that one so accomplished and brilliant can also be so modest.

Regarding the italics, of course she was. Maybe this is just me: one of the things that irks me about direct compliments as openers is that the girls leave so happy and usually with a huge "Thank You!" They got my validation for free, man! Should a player care much about her glowing when she leaves unless her number is in his phone or she's following him on an instant date?

Regarding the bold, imagine this Marty. What if she were unforgivably ugly? Would you care as much that she was so accomplished and brilliant and modest? You probably wouldn't have even stopped to talk to her long enough to figure that out (I wouldn't have either). I think this is what your female friend was talking about
 

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Gentle Phrases, thank you for your commentary! This is actually really insightful and actionable.

Gentle_Phrases said:
(I look like a twig but whatever)
Oh boy, you always make me laugh so hard!

Gentle_Phrases said:
Her: But Gentle_Phrases. You're always running so much. What are you running from?
*this was highschool, so it's okay that it was a little cheesy*

The way that she said it was implying that I was crazy or something and she was clearly teasing me. All of a sudden, I wanted to justify myself to her and prove that I wasn't a troubled child or something. There was a crackle of (sexual) tension in that light shove. It was a pleasant feeling of, "how dare she!"
I don't think that's cheesy at all. It's actually a very, very well-calibrated "push" for a high-school girl. Your example is great. I had someone do the same to me on an instant date last weekend (FR to follow)—curious to discover how I managed to fuck things up all the same.

Gentle_Phrases said:
Now Marty - imagine if you gave her a nice push here.
Just wondering what this might have looked like...


  • Marty: (with hand on her thigh, conspiratorially) You keep it pretty well-hidden, don't you?

    RecordHolder: (blushing, eyes averted) I don't like to brag about it too much.

    Marty: (reassuringly, smiling) You're telling me. But what drives you to hide it? And whom are you hiding it from, exactly?
Is that what you had in mind?

Gentle_Phrases said:
Pussy on the pedestal! Pussy on the pedestal! I can't tell if you truly believe this or you're just writing with romantic excess.
Gentle Phrases, of course I truly believe it. Are you kidding me? Can you imagine how intimidating it is to talk to a woman who has totally kicked your ass at your own game? Imagine you did drama and theater in your teens and had prestige all over your high school as an amateur actor, then you launch into a normal business career and 20 years later you meet a chick who's a minor Hollywood celebrity. That's what I'm talking about here.

Yeah, I have no difficulty acting out the fatherly, wise-guy tone with young girls, with body language to match, reassuring them that they seem to be well-directed and focused and in any case they have plenty of time, and a lot can change in a few years, blah blah blah. That comes naturally to me. Here, on the forum, I'm talking about what I experience inside during such an interaction.

For all the wise-ass act on the surface, deep down, the moment I get an inkling that a young girl is absolutely brilliant at what she does, my insecurities rocket sky-high and my inner confidence crumbles to dust.

This pedestal was so fucking high I couldn't even bend my fingers over the edge on tiptoe.

Gentle_Phrases said:
she didn't bring up her boyfriend until you went for her digits?
Correct. Not even when I tentatively suggested a date. Only when my phone was in front of her with the dialer open.

I never screen for existing relationships any more. Franco told me it's bullshit, and he's absolutely right. As he correctly pointed out, the only thing you need to screen for is a girl's willingness to have sex with you. The rest can be sorted out later.

Gentle_Phrases said:
Regarding the italics, of course she was.
Okaaaay... glad that you think that's obvious. She thanked me. I like it when girls do that :)

Gentle_Phrases said:
What if she were unforgivably ugly?
"Unforgivably"! LOL. A little too merciless for my mind :)

Gentle_Phrases said:
Would you care as much that she was so accomplished and brilliant and modest? You probably wouldn't have even stopped to talk to her long enough to figure that out
No, of course I wouldn't. And as I say to my "female friend" (actually an ex), what do you expect? I'm a heterosexual male. Get with the program.

What's your point here, Gentle Phrases? I have to say this is one comment that always leaves me clueless, whether it's made by a woman or a man. I mean, what else can be expected of a red-blooded male?

-Marty
 

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Marty, I would consider this a win, definitely not a FU. I whole heartedly agree with Franco on that.

Gentle_Phrases said:
Plus she tacitly invited you over, talked to you for 20 minutes, you had your hand on her thigh - afterwhich I'm assuming she retained open body language towards you - and she didn't bring up her boyfriend until you went for her digits? I'd say your interaction went a bit too swimmingly for her boyfriend objection to account for much (I can't stop! It's a sickness!).

Gentle_Phrases has a point to an end I think for sure. She invited you to sit, chatted with you as you lead the conversation, allowed physical interaction in a not platonic area (top of the leg) and as long as she didn't shy away (which I didn't see mention of) she seems like the boyfriend thing was more of a shit test maybe? To see how persistent you would be, and for her own peace of mind in knowing that she didn't lie about it or hide it. There's the distinct possibility that she was playing with vanity I suppose in the flirtatious pursuits of a man obviously her senior (considering she is 19) and knowing that no one around her even remotely knows her, however I think that if you were 'going for gold' you could have used this situation to your advantage, given that you are both there temporarily, and that there would be absolutely no chance of anyone but you two knowing that the interaction had ever occurred.

That being said big ups to you for chatting up a very young attractive successful athlete!! It sounded like a quality approach, interaction, and departure with no hiccups which in and of itself is a success!
 

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Marty,

On the classification, I'm not too clear about it, I admit... she respectfully declined any form of romantic involvement, which in normal circumstances would mean I wouldn't even file a report at all, but for the fact that this was an exceptionally talented high-achiever.

A good way to think of when a "FU" report is appropriate is if you have an example of something you want to show people NOT to do. For example, maybe you got a girl back to your place and suddenly you received a phone call from another girl you're seeing. Instead of ignoring it, you decide to answer it, and the girl you are with gets upset and decides to leave. That would be an example of something you would NOT want to do, and thus, it would be a fuck-up (FU) report. =)

- Franco
 

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You're a boss, Marty. 99.9% of men would not have the balls to approach her and she gave you an invitation - she was interested.

She seems shyly confident, but shy, nonetheless. Her humility seems genuine. And how do you get shy girls?

You lead them. Hard.

Once she rebutted with the boyfriend, you could have used your smooth, more mature partner frame and pushed it further.

Marty - I would like to grab coffee with you sometime if we're in the same area again

Her - That's sweet, really, but I have a boyfriend...

Marty - Hmm, lucky man. Nonetheless, I'd still like to see you again. We could learn a lot from each other (smile softly)

I don't have enough material from her to gauge how she'd respond to this, but what this framing capitalizes on your strengths

1. Her humility/shyness leaves her susceptible to solid frames. Thus, anything you push (without being pushy) is likely to at least keep her attention enough for you to hook her.

2. Along with her shyness is a calm confidence. Your suave style is PERFECT for this, since not only will you push past her objections, you'll do it in a way that she respects - calm, confident persistence.

3. You have so much to give her. No matter how amazing she is, you're older. Her boyfriend is probably her age and despite him probably being a fellow athlete and well-seasoned man at ~19, you've traveled the world, know multiple languages, etc. You are a gift to her.

4. Because she IS going to socially ascend very soon, she respects and will increasingly respect discretion. A suave older man who presents his offer calmly (think Juan Antonio).


Let me know what you think, Marty! And remember, I don't give a fuck if she's a Miss Universe winner - You're. A. Boss.
 

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Marty: (reassuringly, smiling) You're telling me. But what drives you to hide it? And whom are you hiding it from, exactly?

Is that what you had in mind?

Something like that! You could even add a little "I didn't see any paparazzi around here, maybe they're hiding..*look around suspiciously*" Poking fun at her modesty to show that, while her accomplishments are impressive, she's not such huge a deal that they'll stop the plane just to snap pics of her. She's not J-Lo. You're not in awe of her presence, etc. Also reinforces your own frame that you are "on her level." Do I sound like a keyboard jockey to you yet? Lol. I promise guys, I'm still out doing approaches.

Would you care as much that she was so accomplished and brilliant and modest? You probably wouldn't have even stopped to talk to her long enough to figure that out
No, of course I wouldn't. And as I say to my "female friend" (actually an ex), what do you expect? I'm a heterosexual male. Get with the program.

What's your point here, Gentle Phrases? I have to say this is one comment that always leaves me clueless, whether it's made by a woman or a man. I mean, what else can be expected of a red-blooded male?

The reason that I point that out is because it makes her accomplishments irrelevant (unless you're looking for certain personality traits in a long-term partner, I'm told). Even if she was the king of France, the only thing your genes care about is her baby makin' skills. And plenty of girls can make one.

Gentle Phrases, of course I truly believe it. Are you kidding me? Can you imagine how intimidating it is to talk to a woman who has totally kicked your ass at your own game? Imagine you did drama and theater in your teens and had prestige all over your high school as an amateur actor, then you launch into a normal business career and 20 years later you meet a chick who's a minor Hollywood celebrity. That's what I'm talking about here.

Yeah, I have no difficulty acting out the fatherly, wise-guy tone with young girls, with body language to match, reassuring them that they seem to be well-directed and focused and in any case they have plenty of time, and a lot can change in a few years, blah blah blah. That comes naturally to me. Here, on the forum, I'm talking about what I experience inside during such an interaction.

For all the wise-ass act on the surface, deep down, the moment I get an inkling that a young girl is absolutely brilliant at what she does, my insecurities rocket sky-high and my inner confidence crumbles to dust.

This pedestal was so fucking high I couldn't even bend my fingers over the edge on tiptoe

Gotcha, Marty (props for sharing your true thoughts, btw). Isn't it funny how if you didn't know a thing about swimming or the Olympics none of her status markers would mean a thing to you? Perception is reality.
 

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Anatman:

Not only do I value your guidance, clearly expressed and based as it is on a solid track record demonstrated right here on the forum; but I benefit equally from your encouragement. Here's a case in point:

Anatman said:
You're a boss, Marty. 99.9% of men would not have the balls to approach her and she gave you an invitation - she was interested.
Anatman said:
2. Along with her shyness is a calm confidence. Your suave style is PERFECT for this, since not only will you push past her objections, you'll do it in a way that she respects - calm, confident persistence.

3. You have so much to give her. No matter how amazing she is, you're older. Her boyfriend is probably her age and despite him probably being a fellow athlete and well-seasoned man at ~19, you've traveled the world, know multiple languages, etc. You are a gift to her.

4. Because she IS going to socially ascend very soon, she respects and will increasingly respect discretion. A suave older man who presents his offer calmly (think Juan Antonio).


Let me know what you think, Marty! And remember, I don't give a fuck if she's a Miss Universe winner - You're. A. Boss.
I just feel on top of the world after reading what you wrote. I like to think that given a similar situation down the road, I'd perform significantly better. The logistics here were tough.

It's an odd feeling though, mixed... when someone more advanced points out what I might have done, I'm left a little concerned... not at what I missed out on so much as at her possible disappointment in me. Never mind. (Why do I love girls so much??)

You're right: at least I said hello. Maybe she'll remember that. I'll certainly treasure it :)

And I'll try to get it right next time! =)

Gentle Phrases:
Gentle_Phrases said:
Poking fun at her modesty to show that, while her accomplishments are impressive, she's not such huge a deal that they'll stop the plane just to snap pics of her. She's not J-Lo. You're not in awe of her presence, etc.
Makes sense, I suppose, yes—I'll have it in mind. I think you make an important point about approaching these situations from the correct internal frame.

Gentle_Phrases said:
I promise guys, I'm still out doing approaches.
Haha yes I know, Gentle Phrases, you do them at about 10 times the rate I do ;)

Gentle_Phrases said:
Even if she was the king of France, the only thing your genes care about is her baby makin' skills. And plenty of girls can make one.
Haha very funny and very good point! Oh and we call it a "queen" by the way... I know y'all haven't had one for a while... Americans... (head-shake) ;)

Gentle_Phrases said:
Gotcha, Marty (props for sharing your true thoughts, btw). Isn't it funny how if you didn't know a thing about swimming or the Olympics none of her status markers would mean a thing to you? Perception is reality.
You're on the money. Sometimes people talk themselves up in some discipline I'm unschooled in, and I'm like "Oh, cool".

And yes I share it because unless you admit to yourself the facts, you don't get the full learning benefit. Especially from a resource so valuable as this forum.

-Marty
 
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