Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[Skills]

Here is the scenario you start getting laid with girls that you don't use second gen in a row... And you get used to the dynamic and get laid...

Then you get a new girl and muscle memory kicks in and since you haven't done second gen in a while and the flow going similar you don't use it or you get lazy and don't use it...

Then you don't close cause you assume you sub communicated everything none verbally
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Second gen or the sexual is needed at times no always is subcommunicated.... Is still needed not always but you still have to attempt it if is not headed to closing...

 

[Spike]

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Second gen or the sexual is needed at times no always is subcommunicated

I think what you mean is remembering to verbally sexualize the interaction. I’ve been guilty of just having a normal conversation + physically escalating. And forgetting to interject sexual conversation. Ends with the girl not feeling turned on enough to suggest going home or you not getting the vibe that the pull is there

 

[Skills]

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I think what you mean is remembering to verbally sexualize the interaction. I’ve been guilty of just having a normal conversation + physically escalating. And forgetting to interject sexual conversation. Ends with the girl not feeling turned on enough to suggest going home or you not getting the vibe that the pull is there

Guilty as well... Lol!! Cause you had so many lays you didn't need to so if it ain't broken why fix it, so you assume same will happen with new girl, but didn't close.. correct..

 

[TomInHo]

Moral of the story

For best odds sexualize BOTH verbally and non verbally

If you can get the lay non verbally cool, but skipping the buy-in verbally can risk you getting LMR later or you losing lay

I've always done both regardless of how DTF the girl seemed to be. Plus talking about sex and male female dynamics is more interesting to me than yapping about BS anyways

Verbally sexualizing does not always mean using a gambit. Think a lot of guys will benefit from learning how to make it second nature so they don't need to think so much

 

[Skills]

Moral of the story

For best odds sexualize BOTH verbally and non verbally

If you can get the lay non verbally cool, but skipping the buy-in verbally can risk you getting LMR later or you losing lay

I've always done both regardless of how DTF the girl seemed to be. Plus talking about sex and male female dynamics is more interesting to me than yapping about BS anyways

Verbally sexualizing does not always mean using a gambit. Think a lot of guys will benefit from learning how to make it second nature so they don't need to think so much

No the moral of the story with some girls will be overkill...

 

[TomInHo]

No the moral of the story with some girls will be overkill...

Ok then how will one know if it's overkill?

I mean you made this post because either you or someone you know undercooked it and ran into resistance because no verbal sexualization was present

And I don't know how you guys verbally escalate but I don't just run scripts or checklists

I get into conversations about sex and dating then based of her responses I either reframe objections (unproductive frames), do light sex talk or go bolder

Just like with physical escalation you don't just grab a woman's tits 2 seconds in, you obviously need to read the room before you make your moves

I personally can't see how someone will "overkill" verbal sexualization if they are calibrated and still see merit in always escalating both verbally and non verbally

But if someone is very rigid and doesn't adjust to the woman then that would be my definition of being overkill

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Ok then how will one know if it's overkill?

I mean you made this post because either you or someone you know undercooked it and ran into resistance because no verbal sexualization was present

And I don't know you guys verbally escalate but I don't just run scripts or checklists

I get into conversations about sex and dating then based of her responses I either reframe objections or unproductive frames, do light sex talk or go bolder

Just like with physical escalation you don't just grab a woman's tits 2 seconds in, you obviously need to read the room before you make your moves

I personally can't see how someone will "overkill" verbal sexualization if they are calibrated and still see merit in always escalating both verbally and non verbally

But if someone is very rigid and doesn't adjust to the woman then that would my definition of being overkill

Makes sense. I think overkill comes when guys have "must-say" gambit or tech.

So they feel the need to say it all the time(probably cause it works really well) rather than calibrate

And you're right... you can absolutely talk about and sex, female and sexual dynamics in a chill way without being dogmatic with gambit

 

[Skills]

Ok then how will one know if it's overkill?

I mean you made this post because either you or someone you know undercooked it and ran into resistance because no verbal sexualization was present

And I don't know you guys verbally escalate but I don't just run scripts or checklists

I get into conversations about sex and dating then based of her responses I either reframe objections (unproductive frames), do light sex talk or go bolder

Just like with physical escalation you don't just grab a woman's tits 2 seconds in, you obviously need to read the room before you make your moves

I personally can't see how someone will "overkill" verbal sexualization if they are calibrated and still see in always escalating both verbally and non verbally

But if someone is very rigid and doesn't adjust to the woman then that would be my definition of being overkill

In some cases will be overkill you need to calibrate to the situation... Nothing to do with scripts... scripts is training wheel to teach...

 

[Skills]

Makes sense. I think overkill comes when guys have "must-say" gambit or tech.

So they feel the need to say it all the time(probably cause it works really well) rather than calibrate

And you're right... you can absolutely talk about and sex, female and sexual dynamics in a chill way without being dogmatic with gambit

Nothing to do with scripts...

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Can you guys provide examples of verbally sexualizing the interactions without the gambits provided on GirlsChase?

Last FR at the bar I had some very good interactions with really attractive girls, touch was used well and often, although other people who commented said I lacked verbal escalation, looking back, it makes sense why it didn’t feel right to go for makeout or pull there and then.

 

[Spike]

Can you guys provide examples of verbally sexualizing the interactions without the gambits provided on GirlsChase?

Think of ways to turn what she mentions into thoughts of fucking.

I can provide you with two because they are recent.

A girl mentions she has to wake up early in the morning because she has to go to the gym at 8am

you could say, (in her ear), “you know if you really want to workout, i could give you a really good workout…Then you won’t really have to wake up so early and can sleep in instead”

A girl mentions the way I pet her cat is really good. Because her cat doesn’t really like it when strangers pet her. You could say, “yeah well I know how pussy wants to be touched…pussycats”

A girl says she doesn’t like really muscular guys and prefers skinny guys with dad bods” you say, “why it that?” Because you think it’s (the sex) gonna hurt?”

my brain doesn’t always go there. So don’t beat yourself up if you’re not able to think of something sexual in the moment. But it’s good to reflect and think back on conversations. And think of instances where you could have turned it sexual and get her thinking about sex.

 

[Skills]

Can you guys provide examples of verbally sexualizing the interactions without the gambits provided on GirlsChase?

Last FR at the bar I had some very good interactions with really attractive girls, touch was used well and often, although other people who commented said I lacked verbal escalation, looking back, it makes sense why it didn’t feel right to go for makeout or pull there and then.

I personally think you should not freestyle, take one you really like or 2 that are field tested, understand the meta frame... Rehearse or test in a way you are really comfortable and smooth and do it... If is not a clear enthusiastic girl... I done scripted and not... Scripted is more optimal, no comparison...

Aa always the point of the post get side track with none sense of scripted and not scripted that have 0 to do with the post point...

 

[Spike]

Just reminded myself of one I used on one of my recent lays.

The girl asked me if I spoke Spanish. I said yes. She asked me tell her something in Spanish.

My brain was active in this moment and I responded, “te lo voy a meterlo en to culo”

which in English, as I explained to her means, “im going to fuck you in the ass”

she doesn’t like anal but it got her thinking about sex.

Memorizing long sex gambits are not necessary in 2025. Just think of moments where you can interject things like this. The more aware you become the better your brain will in that moment come up with something. Because it’s organic. Doesn’t sound rehearsed. And you’re not inside your head trying to see where you can interject your gambits that you memorized. Instead of being present

 

[Skills]

Just reminded myself of one I used on one of my recent lays.

The girl asked me if I spoke Spanish. I said yes. She asked me tell her something in Spanish.

My brain was active in this moment and I responded, “te lo voy a meterlo en to culo”

which in English, as I explained to her means, “im going to fuck you in the ass”

she doesn’t like anal but it got her thinking about sex.

Memorizing long sex gambits are not necessary in 2025. Just think of moments where you can interject things like this. The more aware you become the better your brain will in that moment come up with something. Because it’s organic. Doesn’t sound rehearsed. And you’re not inside your head trying to see where you can interject your gambits that you memorized. Instead of being present

Sex gambits have nothing at all to do with long or short has to do with sexualizing and interaction if the interaction calls for it... And were you think based on the interaction what is missing... most of the time now a days you won't need it.. but when is needed bring an element depending on situation... when I say overkill is cause in most interactions now a days women will agree to sex to sexualize would make you a bit autistic and it will be too much... I want to buy a car where do i sign? Great before you sign the unique, colors and features won't be available after today for the price you are paying would you like a test drive so i can show yo
u the ai system.... Vs sign here..

Also you have never done them... So how would you know??

Again post has 0 to do with scripted or long or shorter... 0

Multiple guys would have to go out there and field test in Spanish i will fuck You in the ass in Spanish and then translate..


That is not even second gen is grandmaster...

 

[topcat]

my rule of thumb: platonic talk is for building comfort enough for my sexual frames to land, and provide neutral conversational territory for fractionation. all other verbals should be arousing in some form.

sexual frames can be set non verbally and verbally. verbal frames can be set by direct allusion to sex or simply through using tactile and sensual imagery coupled with touch.

i gauge if a girl truly needs it based on how comfortable she is with my touch, proximity, how sexual and receptive her body language is etc. if low then i’ll sexualize the conversation overtly and see if she loosens up.

no matter what however the subcontext is always sexual and increases by degree till we reach the bedroom.

and irrespective of how many signs she’s giving me i always pull at the the end, as there’s always the chance she’s just autistic..

 

[Spike]

Multiple guys would have to go out there and field test in Spanish i will fuck You in the ass in Spanish and then translate..

My intention is not for people to field test this thing I said to prove it’s legit.

That is pickup lines.

Pickup lines is for chumps.

I’m teaching people to think for themselves. By providing examples. That will get them thinking in the right direction.

 

[Spike]

Another one. On a date a girl was inspecting all my tattoos. I told her I had more underneath my shirt. She said “pull it out” because she wanted to see the rest of them. Brain activated. Is familiar with the phrase “pull it out” and said, “are you talking about my shirt or…” just simple shit like that sprinkled into the conversation. No need to memorize or field test what I just said.

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Just reminded myself of one I used on one of my recent lays.

The girl asked me if I spoke Spanish. I said yes. She asked me tell her something in Spanish.

My brain was active in this moment and I responded, “te lo voy a meterlo en to culo”

which in English, as I explained to her means, “im going to fuck you in the ass”

she doesn’t like anal but it got her thinking about sex.

Memorizing long sex gambits are not necessary in 2025. Just think of moments where you can interject things like this. The more aware you become the better your brain will in that moment come up with something. Because it’s organic. Doesn’t sound rehearsed. And you’re not inside your head trying to see where you can interject your gambits that you memorized. Instead of being present

Hmm got me thinking after building a bit of comfort I can usually sprinkle in seductive or sexual phrases in Italian, since I know a bit,

Play around with it next time in doing night game