Sales girls in shops and waitresses

[Seppuku]

Hey Gents,

How would you go for approaching and picking up a sales girl in a shop, or a waitress in a cafe?

By their position they have already seen it all. They get hit by guys all the time. The usual chit chat won't do. Plus, it's usually a high social pressure environment, with customers, female colleagues, and maybe a supervisor around seeing this.

Curious to know your thoughts.

Cheers,
Seppuku

 

[trashKENNUT]

Seppuku,

The usual chit chat won't do. Plus, it's usually a high social pressure environment, with customers, female colleagues, and maybe a supervisor around seeing this.

I done this one method but not enough results to justify anything. This method works and heightens all the awareness of females in the shop. LOLX

It is very simple. You wait for the time where she is folding clothes. Then you ask her something general of the clothes you are going thru. Then you slowly transits the conversation without breaking the thing that you are doing. Whatever her response is, whether disgusted or attraction, always keep things as normal. This is more to frame control than anything else. You be surprised how your frame can make her coworkers and friends beat the shit out of her.

Life's hard. Haha. IT is what it is.

Zac

 

[Eternity]

What were your past experiences like? Did you go indirect or direct?

Waitresses yes, get hit on plenty. Shop girls not so much for some reason. Probably cuz guys are too afraid to spit game alone vs w/their Wolf pack at a restaurant/bar.

 

[Seppuku]

Hey Eternity,

Yeah I have hit plenty of waitresses, usually indirect, with little results. They get this all the time, they've seen it all.

Question here, how do you go beyond and bring her on a date.

Seppuku

 

[Eternity]

Describe word for word those interactions. Who were you with, how were you dressed, type of venue ect...

 

[HellAtlantic]

That kind of environment is so hard to gauge interest, you just don't know if they're being friendly to you because it's their job or if they're interested.

 

[Seppuku]

HellAtlantic,

That kind of environment is so hard to gauge interest, you just don't know if they're being friendly to you because it's their job or if they're interested.

Yes exactly. Would be curious if anyone here has achieved some consistent success with these types of girl.

@Eternity

I don't have a recent example in mind. I gave it a try back in 2014. If anything specific comes, I'll report it here. Thanks anyway man.

 

[ray_zorse]

I have laid one, gotten others out on dates, and in other cases built a lot of connection and either kicked myself for not pulling the trigger or been cockblocked by other customers arriving at the wrong moment, or bosses, colleagues etc. It can definitely be done. The question is how.

There are several keys to success IMO. The first is that first impressions are absolutely VITAL. There's no point giving your order all business-as-usual and then starting to put the moves on her. You're well behind the starting line at that point and you'll have to work hard to catch up.

So, snap her out of autopilot with a genuine compliment (her makeup is a good one to choose) and tell her she looks INCREDIBLE and get introduced and get the basic facts (her nationality, how long she's been working there, her schedule etc) before you order, as this will help you a lot later on.

The next thing to focus on is CONNECTION BUILDING like "this guy really GETS me". Either sit near the counter and chat with her there, or whenever she comes to your table lead in with "so you were telling me that ..." or crack a joke/tease her/etc. But find out as much as you can about her, her passions etc, ask a lot of WHY questions, RELATE RELATE RELATE, qualify too.

The final thing is PULL THE TRIGGER. Basically all the planets have to align for you to get a date. There has to be no cockblocks or distractions for the necessary time period in which you have to reach a high point and then ask her out, and you must have built sufficient comfort. You will have to accept that in many cases this simply never happens and you must treat the interaction as practice or simply being social (or long game which is fun but not promising IMO). But if the opportunity presents... SMASH it, do not hesitate as there more than likely won't be another one! Lost so many like this.

AND you must be maximally discreet, her boss could be watching from the kitchen etc. In nearly all cases that I have got dates it was by memorizing her contact, so this is a necessary skill to practice IMO, and you must NEVER pull out your phone in her workplace, if memorizing isn't an option then one of you can write it down on paper but this gives her far more opportunities for hesitation and is hard to do at a high point in the conversation. I HAVE had dates like this though.

As one last tip I suggest to keep your cool, it takes strong nerves to manage a seduction in what is basically a hostile environment and be successful, the temptation is whenever she goes away you over-invest mentally and over-think shit and say something weird when she comes back. Just be calm and detached and outcome-independent, have fun and you're golden Happy hunting

Ray

 

[Seppuku]

Thanks Ray, that's helpful!

 

[Eternity]

Another thing I'd like to add to Ray's excellent points is to time your approaches correctly. As in when approaching a hired gun during her busiest hour is like a suicide mission. She won't likely respond to your advances well and probably be anxious to do her job and ignore any come ons from horny, uncalibrated men. Of course there are exceptions, sometimes once in a blue moon one will eye fuck you hard the moment you walk into a venue and interact with her. You will just feel the sexual tension in the air and if you don't push for a number/date then and there its game over brah. Also, for any type of venue dressing sharp helps a lot to stand out and getting noticed from the get go. Thus if you are going and trying to spit game during the busiest hours (i.e bars, clubs, lounges) you are going to get a lot of no's. Go 1 hr or 1/2 before and slowly work the room. Talk to people there (preferably of power i.e bartenders, bouncers, hosts, promoters) and let them do the intros for you. This can apply to restaurants also, if they have a bar and you are close to where the waitresses flock to pick up drinks. Get the bartender on your side and let him/her introduce you and then get the ball rolling. Waitresses/bottle service girls and bartenders can be hard targets, probably the hardest next to strippers. But as I like to remember... somebody is banging this hoe why can't it be me. Another tip for waitresses that can be used is writing your number on the receipt (if you are both vibing well) and let her move shit forward, if she does its game on if not next her and forget about it.

Shop girls, look for one that is folding clothes pick an item and get her opinion, go cocky/funny to snap her out of autopilot, statement statement, question. Mini deep dive her there, body contrapposto, over the shoulder, asses her behavior, investment in the interaction and take it from there. Positive, flirt more aggressively and try to cop that number. Non reactive/polite look for other cute girl and repeat the process and see if she hooks. After a couple of minutes you'll feel if the vibe is good or not and you can decide what to do then.

I remember once I opened this chick selling cosmetics at Macy's after getting her name I went direct and just flat out asked her to get a drink after 30 seconds of hi. I got an instant no. It's a process bro, can be a breeze to an experienced cold approacher who's seen a lot but without forgetting the fundamentals that go into place also...

 

[Seppuku]

Thanks Eternity, that's useful too.

There's a bar where I go often; each time I go there I have a different girl with me, and the waitresses there noticed it. Do you think that's earning me points with them, by pre-selection?

 

[HellAtlantic]

I would think it would earn you *major* points, if for no other reason than it probably creates a ton of mystery and intrigue. "Who is this guy who constantly comes here with different girls? What's his story?".

Perhaps a simple line like "everytime I come here you always seem to be working here?!" (Even if that's not the case) in a joking way. If she remembers you she'll perhaps reply "me?!? Every time I'm here you're with a different girl!" And then you should be off to the races.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Also to note, there are just girls who are not interested. They will keep a distance, you can feel it.

Zac