@Carousel
Yeah I was 21 at the time and hadn’t learned to keep my mouth shut. Either way it was family and they were bound to find out eventually. However, I would handle things differently if I were in the same situation today.
Anyways, I see what you’re getting at. Sounds like what you suggest via. asking questions is Socratic Questioning. Pretty popular tactic used by debaters, I know Tucker Carlson uses this quite a bit. In Chase’s condescension article from a few years back he mentioned that Tucker Carlson is the best debater on TV today. I’d imagine that still holds true just 2 years later.
That’s a good point about calling people out within the framework of social success, I overlooked that one. Like Juicy, if he ever directly or strongly implied I was a loser or fool I could just point out his decisions with buying a mortgage and proposing to drug-abusing (or former drug-abusing) single mom and crush him from there. I don’t see this dude at all anymore btw, when I was in college I would see him often because he was my little bro’s friend, but even they don’t hang out anymore cuz Juicy graduated college and moved like 30 min away and is busy with his gf and work.
Good stuff to keep in my back pocket for sure though.
You could rub official stats on violent crime and murder rates in Eastern Europe vs some places in the US in their face. The US actually has a higher homicide rate than both your countries in question and many other places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#United_States
The key is to troll them with undeniable information that disproves them WITHIN the paradigm they adhere to. This will short-circuit most obnoxious normies who are opinionated about public issues, because normies rarely do any research on their own on what actually IS the mainstream position, they just parrot or extrapolate something they heard.
Also that Juicy friend of yours - you could easily call him out WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK of social success, because multiple aspects of what he has done is both irresponsible and trashy according to mainstream society. Wifing up an uneducated drug-abusing single mom - well the Crown Prince of Norway did just that and it was subject to major public controversy
That travel line recommendation sounds like a real smartass answer haha.
Sounds like sound advice. Guess I’d better make sure I know what I’m talking about before I get drawn into discussions and try to voice strong opinions.
Yeah I think most people don’t actually think about their opinions and are just opinionated on public issues without actually knowing what they are talking about. It’s annoying and obnoxious behavior for sure, but I don’t think they know any better. I’ll keep this in mind.
Several of you guys seem to confuse knee-jerk reactions, ignorance, outdated advice etc with what is actually is the current "mainstream" position.
Do NOT buy into that frame. You are inflating their power.
Had a relative of mine complain about me eating too many eggs at some time and that "the cholesterol is dangerous".
Well, that was debunked a long time ago and I had actually asked my doctor about this, who said it was a non-issue and based on outdated research.
I just responded that with exactly that and said that any further discussion was to be taken with my doctor. That solved the problem.
Again, authority by proxy.
Haha yeah I’ve gotten into it with my mom and grandma about the egg one. That’s more along the lines of what I was talking about, not necessarily super toxic family members. Just general knee-jerk reactions and believing stuff like this that they heard about and are just blindly repeating without having thought it through or looked at the actual data.
@The Emerald Archer I do see where you are coming from having your family and close kin having influence and voicing their unsolicited opinions.
The biggest thing for you though to quickly put a stop to that is gonna be getting out on your own and putting some space between you and your family, especially since you'll live an unorthodox life.
Once your out on your own you can do whatever you want and your family doesnt need to know anything other than that your safe, your not going to be destitute, and that your can put food on the table. Then send your uncle a postcard from Eastern Europe with some hot babe on your arm and tell him your enjoying the safe city neighborhoods. Lol.
Na but seriously once you put some distance between those ppl who dont understand/respect your path it wont matter. They'll respect it once you succeed.
But yeah I keep focusing on gettin out on your own and putting some distance between you and the naysayers. They'll come around once they see your doing good and if they dont.. well you wont be around to hear about it
For sure Rob, I think once I get out on my own and go chase down the things I want, a lot of this will naturally work itself out via environment/exposure like Chase mentioned in the beginning of this thread.
I think I can manage if I see my family a handful of times of year, mainly around Christmas and Thanksgiving. I realize now that I may have blown things way out of proportion with some of my earlier comments haha. My uncle and grandma have been in town for Christmas this past week and I didn’t hear any comments about my job search or if I’m going to get a “real job” or whatever.
I understand now that everyone has their own belief system and it sometimes doesn’t mesh with other people’s and you must learn to work around it, especially if you are family. No point blowing up due to different beliefs and have them ruin relationships with your family.
Appreciate the input fellas good discussion we had here.
