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Calls & Texts  Scheduling a date—windows of availability

Marty

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I was thinking through my recent dates today, as well as reviewing my Sent Messages to the female sex—in the spirit of Chase's recent article on empiricism—to gather data and understand its implications :)

I noticed that in terms of actually getting a date (regardless of the outcome of the date itself), I have statistically more success when I suggest a time/date than when I ask when the lady's calendar is open. It appears to be especially effective if I enumerate a few windows of my own availability, implying that for the remainder of my time I am engaged.

For example: Hey Stacey, I'm open this Saturday morning, as well as Monday & Tuesday evenings. Does any of those times work for you to grab a bite? appears to be much more effective than Hello Stacey, we should grab that bite soon, how's your calendar looking?

Does anyone have either supportive or contradictory conclusions that he wishes to share?
 

ProblemSolving

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I have extensively field tested both ways, and picking a day beats asking for her schedule hands down! The reason is pretty simple when you really think about it. Asking for her schedule actually requires her to plan and take the lead - something which women do not like doing. When you pick a day, you are the one that's leading and it forces her to react to your proposition

When you ask for her schedule, it usually ends up looking something like this:

Me: Hey HB, we should grab that frozen yogurt soon. When are you free this week?
HB: I'm working and have school all week. (Ugh! Too much thought and planning required of her)

Now, let's look at it when you lead it off and she reacts:

Me: Hey HB, let's meet up on Thursday at 3:00. Let me know if that works for you.
HB: I'm working at that time... are you free any other time?
or
HB: I made plans already
Me: Not a problem, but you're making it up to me then ;)
HB: Ok I"m free on Wednesday lol

One way puts her in the driver's seat, while the other puts YOU in the driver's seat. It's no big surprise why one out-performs the other.
 

Marty

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Thanks PS. Good solid advice that makes analytical sense too. I just tried it with a girl I approached at lunchtime today, she responded by texting me several times over and sending a "kissy face" emoji. Moving forward to finalizing a date. I think I'm doing okay :)
 

Franco

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I've deliberated this one for awhile and tested both ways. I'm still of the belief that asking a girl for her schedule is the optimal way of getting dates.

There's more than a few things other than just "leading" that needs to be taken into account. The first thing is that "leading" over text message has very little effect as opposed to leading in person. It's a lot easier for a guy to command a girl to do something over text message than it is for him to do it in front of a girl's face, with solid fundamentals. When a girl sees a guy telling her to do something over text, it comes across more as "demanding" than it does "commanding." Also, I always follow my own rule that extra effort given over the phone is more often chasing and extra effort in person is more often persistence.

The best thing you can do by phone is simply not beat around the bush, and be warm. Within a few text messages, you should be attempting to set up a date or a girl will lose interest. The reason I choose to ask a girl for her schedule is that it follows the path of least resistance -- she selects what's best for her rather than being forced to accept a time that isn't ideal. It's a lot more likely that you'll attempt to "push" for a date at a specific time and get resistance because she might just genuinely be busy at that time... which breaks down the flow of the momentum when she has to respond with, "I'm busy :(." Suddenly her emotions take a slight drop, even though they were rising from the moment she met you. From a guy's perspective, this may not seem like much (logically), but for a girl, she suddenly loses some momentum in her feelings (emotionally).

Me: Hey HB, we should grab that frozen yogurt soon. When are you free this week?
HB: I'm working and have school all week. (Ugh! Too much thought and planning required of her)

The response in the above message sounds less like a rejection of your text and more of a rejection of you. If she was interested in getting together with you, she would give you the days she wants to see you, or she would at least suggest trying again another time. Also, the "warmth" comes from using emojis/emoticons. I still don't understand why some people don't use them when they see guys like me, NJ, and Richard (T Vaunswa) using them in all of our interactions. Tone is very important, and emoticons shows that you're socially savvy and warm.

Me: Hey HB, let's meet up on Thursday at 3:00. Let me know if that works for you.
HB: I'm working at that time... are you free any other time?
or
HB: I made plans already
Me: Not a problem, but you're making it up to me then ;)
HB: Ok I"m free on Wednesday lol

This is essentially you still asking for her schedule, but you're having to do it in 5 text messages rather than 2. And I won't always rely on a girl just throwing out a date when you don't directly ask for it. The text back from her throwing you a specific day (Wednesday) seems very unlikely (unless she's very into you, in which case it doesn't matter what approach you took) unless your last text to her was restructured more like this:

Me: Not a problem... so what day are you free then? ;)
HB: I'm free Wednesday!

But again, you're just asking her for her schedule, which could have been done earlier in the conversation.

A rule of thumb: every extra text past the first few necessary to set up the date decreases your chance of the date actually happening. You always want to minimize the possibility of her deciding that she doesn't want to engage in the interaction anymore and suddenly stop texting you.

The last thing I'd like to mention is that the real discrepancy between the two methods here that will have more of an impact than anything else is how clear and direct your invitation is. Without using the word "date," the girl needs to feel like that's exactly what you want. If your text looks like this:

Me: Hey HB, when are you free next week?

or this...

Me: Hey HB, let's kick it next week. What are you up to?

...or anything else ambiguous, then you're a lot more likely to get flaked on. Make sure she knows what you want, and if your approach was good, you'll get the response you were looking for. =)

- Franco
 

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I'm still going to have to disagree here. The funny thing is, I know it's not a rejection of me since I've still managed to get girls out that give me the, "I"m working and have school all week", response - it just ends up taking longer with more effort. These same girls that say they're busy all week will suddenly find time to see me after I specify a day and time - all they needed was a little prompting.

Asking a girls schedule is similar to asking a girl to pick an ice cream flavor when there's a huge selection. There's so much to choose from, she can't make up her mind, so you help her by making a suggestion that prompts her to say, "Yes" or "No, I'll go with butter pecan". Either way, you have a decision you can work with.

The same thing happens with women whether you're arranging a date or a business meeting. A women calls me and is interested in the services I provide:

Me: Well, let's meet up so we can talk about the details in person. What day is good for you? (Asking her to take the lead)
Her: .....Urm.......Hmmmmm..I don't know...What's good for you? (She doesn't want to take the lead)
Me: How about Tuesday at 2:00? (I take the lead)
Her: I finish work at 6:00, would 6:30 work for you?
Me: Sure thing. See you then! (Yay! Everyone's happy)

I"m all for emoticons, no problem there :).
 
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NarrowJ

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I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, because I think it depends on you, and it depends on the girl. You might be smart to go and collect some additional data points, and break it down even further to find out under what conditions one approach might work in favor of the other.

I work in an office environment, and I'm always scheduling meetings and such, so I think getting something on multiple people's calendars wasn't really something I had to "learn" when I started trying to get better with women. Actually, I've always thought the best way to go about this is to ask her when she's free, but also give her a good idea of what works for you. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. This makes it extremely easy to nail something down without a lot of tedious back and forth. That might look something like this:

"Cool, cool... Well let's grab that coffee soon :) Thurs night or Sat afternoon is best for me. What days work for you?"

If she's open Thursday or Saturday, she'll just pick one of those and move on. But including the "What days work for you?" will usually get you some alternatives if she can't make either of those days happen, without you having to send more messages.



NJ
 
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