Sexual Framing on Dates and Social Circle Questions

[Witcher]

Hi Everyone !
Always on my path of self-improvemement in seduction and social arts , i want to talk with you all about a subject i’am working on this days , that hopefully would take my game to the next level.
Pre-ambule :
I realised that i always fall to no sexual no verbal Vibing and framing, and until now i refrain tio use sex talk. But After reading the article: Stop Saying and doing things that are losing you girls.

I realized first that i need for my current situation to Frame the interaction as sexual verbally.
Second observing all the good seducers of my country, where ASD is high and many guys have the M/W complexes, girls are very cocious about their reputation. Everybody of them set the « Discretion frame », « Sexually liberated guy », « No judgmental Frame ». Unless she will continue to play the prude, i know may guys that have girlfriend for 2-3 years but haven’t got the fuck yet(and it’s common).

Having no interest on the sexual framing subject before, i started then reading the article that deal with that, the articles of Alek Rolsatd and Ricardus Domino on this website . I truly started to find all this very very interesting, not only for getting girls but on it’s own sake.

Finding this way of doing things a little do « direct » for me yet, i tried to find some easier ways of doing it. Going through Google, i found an easier method of doing guide proposed by one of the veteran of the seduction community.
Here is the video and some articles explaining it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnrjVtYF6ME
http://www.getabeautifulgirlfriend.com/ ... age-magic/

But basically:
Step 1: Conveying discretion, No judgmental frame, framing the girl as sexual beign
Using the Game Strawberry field and Ring Finger, as an innocent way of introducing the 3 precedent frames.
Step 2 : Letting her know that SHE tunr you on
Subtly letting the girl know that she tune you on, by giving her a subtle compliment (see video and articles).
Even if i understand the idea, I have interrogation on the good application on a timeline level. On the articles and video it seems that the author picks up girls on Night Clubs only for Same Night Lays using the old Mystery Method structure. So I’am wondering how to use this for Day game and Social circle. So for more accurate questions:
• How to effectively demonstrate that I’am Non-Jugmental?
• Do we use sexual frames, for making girls attracted to us, or we do it after who know that the girl is interested and we use it to make the process of seduction quicker?
• Could we use sexual frames, if we don’t plan to pull girls home that day, like in instant date or informational date?
• How to implement the concept for date compression?
• How could we use sexual frames on social circle.

Thank you !

 

[Drck]

There are different styles, different personalities, different approaches... What works for one guy doesn't work for another, so the best way is if you have more choices and you simply experiment and chose what's best for you...

• How to effectively demonstrate that I’am Non-Jugmental?
>>>> You don't judge (duh). For example, she says: "My friend went for a date she slept with him on the first date. I would never do that, I'm a good girl blah blah". If you are judgmental you would say something like: "Yes, she has a bad morals, she probably sleeps around with more guys, she should be doing that". You are basically implying that her friend is a slut. Not only that, now she knows how you perceive girls that sleep with guys on the first date. Mine as well, you can add to it that her friend should be burnt on the Cross for her sins. So she will never sleep with you on the first date because she knows you are very judgmental, she will make sure she will drag your possible relationship for weeks if not months... Which means that by that time you will most likely be gone anyway, thus no sex for you...

On the other hand, to show that you are non-judgmental to that girl's behavior you may want to say something like: "Yea, she must have been really really attracted to that guy, he was probably quite sexy guy and she felt great vibes with him because she couldn't resist and sleept with him" or something like that. Note that you are not only showing that you are non-judgmental but you are taking it one step ahead: You are talking about attraction, feelings and sex in a positive way, you are talking about that she couldn't resist his advances, so she knows you are open to it and that it is on your mind... and because it is on your mind, it is also on her mind too...

• Do we use sexual frames, for making girls attracted to us, or we do it after who know that the girl is interested and we use it to make the process of seduction quicker?
>>>> It depends on what is your style. In essence, if you work on improving your fundamentals you are automatically increasing your sexual frame, because you present yourself as more 'manly' and there is already a natural sexual attraction between guys and girls (by being manly you are only amplifying it).

So a good way is to: (1) Improve fundamentals to increase your attraction >> (2) Present in neutral and non-judgmental frame. This way she feels attraction and non-judgmental attitude, and at the same time she doesn't feel any sexual pressure from your site. So by this time she should be attracted and should have 'sex' on her mind while feeling comfortable enough around you >> (3) Now you start advancing, you shift the gears from neutral to more vibing and more exciting. Ideally she starts talking about sex on her own >> (4) Get physical fast to further amplify attraction and sexuality.

• Could we use sexual frames, if we don’t plan to pull girls home that day, like in instant date or informational date?
>>>> Yes. You raise good vibes and sexual thoughts/feelings, and you disappear. Well, you don't really disappear because you remain in her memory along with those good feelings. She will be thinking about a great guy she met, and because her feelings will naturally vanish, she will want more of those feelings... Which means that she will want to go out again, hopefully with you. Which unfortunately is not the case all the time, sometimes you just 'open' the girl - and she goes out with another guy while expecting great and sexy feelings - and he gets laid thanks to your efforts... Fucking frustrating...

• How to implement the concept for date compression?
>>>> Date compression means that you do more things on one date with that girl, so she feels more familiar/comfortable with you. You don't have to always limit yourself to "tell me something interesting about you" over a coffee, staring at expensive clothes in the mall, browsing through magazines in a bookstore or watching some TV show at a restaurant over a drink; you can do much more stuff.

It is actually quite interesting if you are willing to "DO" more adventurous stuff such as going to e.g. zoo, kayaking, diving, hiking, playing some sport (tennis) or even going on a cruise ship. It may interfere with you logistics because you probably spent much more time outdoor with that girl than needed, but you can be sure that she will remember you more than some guy who's got sexy smiles but all he can do is talk in Starbucks before he tries his 'tricks'... You are just doing unusual stuff that most guys don't want to do. This could be quite beneficial if you are not looking just for quick lay, but if you want a good girl who you want to keep long term. Maybe you already know her from work and are already somehow friends, maybe she is already in your social circle... Just make sure you have a good screening process first so you are not just wasting your time...

• How could we use sexual frames on social circle.
>>>> Not sure what do you mean - do you want to sleep with the whole social circle?
Also be careful to project too much sexuality in your circle. If everybody knows you are sleeping around, quality girls will see you as attractive - but they may not willing to be sleeping with you because they don't want to be perceived as sluts. They won't do it, and especially not if you talk. IMO the best is if nobody knows, you just have a good fundamentals that raise your attraction, and you only interact with that particular girl that you want... Nobody else has a clue...

 

[ray_zorse]

Witcher mate I haven't actually watched the video but I must say I'd be a bit wary of routine-based game, also when you mention the Mystery Method I seem to recall he was pretty strong on negging which I wouldn't advocate, except perhaps some gentle negging as part of push/pull which I am not particularly good at.

Sexual framing is not as difficult as it sounds, remember the intention is to frame yourself as a sexual man (someone who wants sex, thinks about sex, and wants her to think about sex, particularly with him)... and since being a sexual man is pretty much a yes/no thing, just a very few well-placed sexual frames will do it.

An example of a sexual frame that I used that I found particularly hilarious: I had gone to zoo with an insta-date girl, via market to pick up some fruit. She particularly liked apples, I particularly like mangoes. So we got some of each, I also bought a knife to cut them with. So we sat down on a bench at the zoo to eat, and I realized I hadn't done or said anything sexual up until that point (about 1hr in). So I've pulled out a mango and prepared it and said "I like to eat things which are soft and wet"... looking directly into her eyes as I said it, she got it all right. Then I've pulled out an apple and passed it to her, "You like things which are harder, don't you". No joke, all this just occurred to me on the spur of the moment, but that's because it was basically a variation on a kind of template I'd used before.

I suggest you read some stickied LRs, I seem to recall one by Richard (Zphix) where he's at the hairdresser asking for advice, and she looks at him carefully saying "I'm just looking at you and turning over some ideas" and he replies "I bet you are...", obviously she would have to think about sex at this point. Another one that I really like is "I know what you get up to when XXX"... for instance I was in the electronics store discussing this girl's electronics project, she said she did not want the lights on it to be too bright... I said "I know what you get up to in a darkened room...", later on she mentioned she was going out that night, I said "I know what you get up to when you leave your boyfriend at home...", I might have overused the template here but I it didn't matter. Point is, with practice it comes naturally.

Chase framing is also useful... anything that suggests she might be on the hunt for boyfriends, etc... is a good thing to say. She says "I broke up with my boyfriend a while ago", you say "oh, you're on the lookout?"... and the idea is after a chase frame you pause only momentarily to let it sink in, then change the topic before she can fight the frame by saying something like "oh no, I like being single at the moment". Example: My son had a transition day where he was to meet his teacher and his class for the coming year... he started off pretty rough but eventually the kind teacher persuaded him to join the group and so on. I was discussing it a few weeks later and she said how my son had gone very well in the next transition day as well... I said "you charmed him... and you didn't stop there, did you?"

If you can do this two or three times during the date I'd consider it job done, more is probably better but the main thing is to get her thinking about sex. And it is good to use this in conjunction with other techniques such as getting close to her (invading her space), using intense eye contact, touching her (escalating gradually), etc.

Ray

 

[Smith]

Witcher,

Don't over complicate sexual framing. Use the word "sexy" in your conversation is the easiest way to sexualize anything. It's important to make yourself comfortable with sexuality. I use "sexual frames" with my female friends in social circle as well, but it doesn't mean I want to fuck them. Generally it's good fun. You can even make it a little more obvious that you're a sexual man by talking about sex, and see how far you can push it. You'll be surprise how girls get excited when talking about sex

 

[ray_zorse]

+1 Smith. Simple is good. Today: "I wanted to compliment you on your glasses... the sexy schoolteacher look". You can also just ask them about their attitudes to sex or point out things that are sexy... Today: "You love those muscular footballers don't you" (also a chase frame).

Sexual flirting with married women, etc, is "safe" and good practice and they eat it up.

Ray

 

[Witcher]

Hi everyone !!

First of all i want to thank you to have taked up the time to read this long post

Witcher mate I haven't actually watched the video but I must say I'd be a bit wary of routine-based game, also when you mention the Mystery Method I seem to recall he was pretty strong on negging which I wouldn't advocate, except perhaps some gentle negging as part of push/pull which I am not particularly good at.

Sexual framing is not as difficult as it sounds, remember the intention is to frame yourself as a sexual man (someone who wants sex, thinks about sex, and wants her to think about sex, particularly with him)... and since being a sexual man is pretty much a yes/no thing, just a very few well-placed sexual frames will do it.

An example of a sexual frame that I used that I found particularly hilarious: I had gone to zoo with an insta-date girl, via market to pick up some fruit. She particularly liked apples, I particularly like mangoes. So we got some of each, I also bought a knife to cut them with. So we sat down on a bench at the zoo to eat, and I realized I hadn't done or said anything sexual up until that point (about 1hr in). So I've pulled out a mango and prepared it and said "I like to eat things which are soft and wet"... looking directly into her eyes as I said it, she got it all right. Then I've pulled out an apple and passed it to her, "You like things which are harder, don't you". No joke, all this just occurred to me on the spur of the moment, but that's because it was basically a variation on a kind of template I'd used before.

I suggest you read some stickied LRs, I seem to recall one by Richard (Zphix) where he's at the hairdresser asking for advice, and she looks at him carefully saying "I'm just looking at you and turning over some ideas" and he replies "I bet you are...", obviously she would have to think about sex at this point. Another one that I really like is "I know what you get up to when XXX"... for instance I was in the electronics store discussing this girl's electronics project, she said she did not want the lights on it to be too bright... I said "I know what you get up to in a darkened room...", later on she mentioned she was going out that night, I said "I know what you get up to when you leave your boyfriend at home...", I might have overused the template here but I it didn't matter. Point is, with practice it comes naturally.

Chase framing is also useful... anything that suggests she might be on the hunt for boyfriends, etc... is a good thing to say. She says "I broke up with my boyfriend a while ago", you say "oh, you're on the lookout?"... and the idea is after a chase frame you pause only momentarily to let it sink in, then change the topic before she can fight the frame by saying something like "oh no, I like being single at the moment". Example: My son had a transition day where he was to meet his teacher and his class for the coming year... he started off pretty rough but eventually the kind teacher persuaded him to join the group and so on. I was discussing it a few weeks later and she said how my son had gone very well in the next transition day as well... I said "you charmed him... and you didn't stop there, did you?"

If you can do this two or three times during the date I'd consider it job done, more is probably better but the main thing is to get her thinking about sex. And it is good to use this in conjunction with other techniques such as getting close to her (invading her space), using intense eye contact, touching her (escalating gradually), etc.

Ray

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I don't use routine anymore, but since i'am a begginer in Sexual framing i still don't have the "feeling" to implement then naturally in my conversations. So just to train my self, this routine enable me to di it "purposefully".

• How to implement the concept for date compression?
>>>> Date compression means that you do more things on one date with that girl, so she feels more familiar/comfortable with you. You don't have to always limit yourself to "tell me something interesting about you" over a coffee, staring at expensive clothes in the mall, browsing through magazines in a bookstore or watching some TV show at a restaurant over a drink; you can do much more stuff.

It is actually quite interesting if you are willing to "DO" more adventurous stuff such as going to e.g. zoo, kayaking, diving, hiking, playing some sport (tennis) or even going on a cruise ship. It may interfere with you logistics because you probably spent much more time outdoor with that girl than needed, but you can be sure that she will remember you more than some guy who's got sexy smiles but all he can do is talk in Starbucks before he tries his 'tricks'... You are just doing unusual stuff that most guys don't want to do. This could be quite beneficial if you are not looking just for quick lay, but if you want a good girl who you want to keep long term. Maybe you already know her from work and are already somehow friends, maybe she is already in your social circle... Just make sure you have a good screening process first so you are not just wasting your time...

because of my current logsitics i only can do date compression, but this don't mean that i want o make the interaction sexless. So iwant to know if i need to set-up the sexual frames at the first meeting bfore getting the numnber and here even if yes. On the other dates should i just deep dive nomally and throiwing a fex sexual hint? Or doing something else?

• Do we use sexual frames, for making girls attracted to us, or we do it after who know that the girl is interested and we use it to make the process of seduction quicker?
>>>> It depends on what is your style. In essence, if you work on improving your fundamentals you are automatically increasing your sexual frame, because you present yourself as more 'manly' and there is already a natural sexual attraction between guys and girls (by being manly you are only amplifying it).

So a good way is to: (1) Improve fundamentals to increase your attraction >> (2) Present in neutral and non-judgmental frame. This way she feels attraction and non-judgmental attitude, and at the same time she doesn't feel any sexual pressure from your site. So by this time she should be attracted and should have 'sex' on her mind while feeling comfortable enough around you >> (3) Now you start advancing, you shift the gears from neutral to more vibing and more exciting. Ideally she starts talking about sex on her own >> (4) Get physical fast to further amplify attraction and sexuality.

I don't have a very good sexual vibe yet, so iwant to foirece my self to sexualise the interraction. This is why i asked the question.

• How could we use sexual frames on social circle.
>>>> Not sure what do you mean - do you want to sleep with the whole social circle?
Also be careful to project too much sexuality in your circle. If everybody knows you are sleeping around, quality girls will see you as attractive - but they may not willing to be sleeping with you because they don't want to be perceived as sluts. They won't do it, and especially not if you talk. IMO the best is if nobody knows, you just have a good fundamentals that raise your attraction, and you only interact with that particular girl that you want... Nobody else has a clue...

Thisi s this balance i want to find. Like buy defaut it seems that in social cricle evrybody play the "I'am pure and sexless" which is not helpfull at all. The solution i tought of is to set the sexual frames when i'am alone discussing with one of the girls.


Comment, suggestions?

 

[Drck]

I wouldn't over-think it, Smith's got a good point above.

Guy A:
He assumes that the girl is stupid. He is trying to setup sexy frame, he's got sexy walks, sexy smiles, sexy talks - but he doesn't do anything. He doesn't push forward for sex, he's just talking and acting like a sexy guy. Then he goes home and tries to figure out how to be even more sexy, how to show all girls that he wants sex. What is the girls suppose to think? She already knows that he wants sex, just the fact that he is a guy and she's a girl already creates sexual tension. In better case scenario, she think he is shy and insecure with his sexuality, that's why he's trying so hard. In worse case scenario, she thinks he is a weirdo.

Guy B:
He assumes that the girl is smart. He's trying to get quickly into her personal space. He suggests that they should go someplace where they are alone, preferably to his place. How much more sexy does he have to be? She knows right away what he wants and that he's going for it. It is just obvious, he doesn't have to say one word about sex but it is written all over the place. Girls can read, girls are not stupid...

"social cricle evrybody play the "I'am pure and sexless" which is not helpfull at all"
>>>> Yes, that is unfortunately a Nice Guy frame, it's the way we men were thought to behave since we were born. Bad boy, how can you be throwing stones, getting your hands dirty and fight with other kids - here sit down, put neat clothes on and read a nice book. Play nicely, learn to cook instead. Bad boy running around like crazy, sit down and sip sweet sodas, eat fries and cookies. Bad boy running after girls, first we have to teach you that you have to date for months, then pay for everything for that girl, and then - if you are lucky - you may get laid. Bad boy looking around and trying to explore everything new and unusual - here are pills for your anxiety and depression, here are pills for you to be happy, and here are pills for your ADHD so you can focus better on what we teach you. We teach you to be a Nice Guy who can properly behave in social circle!

Fuck that. Learn about Nice Guys behavior and avoid it like a plaque. Being a Nice Guy is a conditioned mental disease, remove yourself from that frame. Work on fundamentals, learn to do what you want, do things your way and when with girl push for sex - and you'll have more of sexual frame than you'll need...

 

[Witcher]

+1 Smith. Simple is good. Today: "I wanted to compliment you on your glasses... the sexy schoolteacher look". You can also just ask them about their attitudes to sex or point out things that are sexy... Today: "You love those muscular footballers don't you" (also a chase frame).

Sexual flirting with married women, etc, is "safe" and good practice and they eat it up.

Ray

Hi , yes they should be natural , and sometimes i can get one or two out of the fly when i keep that in mind. For exemple last day i tried this :

I was at a meeting with my student orgnisation, and after one moment the girl just besdie me was telling something close too "Heuu please give me back my USB key, .... bay the way it's empty .... it's empty.......!!!!!!"
I told her "Waw, you are teeling this like there is some dirty thing in you USB key .... with a witty sexy smile"
She started to laugh and told me "haha ...No.... not anymore!!"

And what was interesting was what hapened just after that she started to share with me a story of a friend of a friend (girl) who was at school watching porn and get caught by the teacher." And beetween sentences since she was drinking a fruit jus time to time start sucking (like blow job ) the straw.

I was blown !!! how could be playfullness and non-jugementalism could get you!!