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mike james

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Went on 3 dates with this girl. She is cute, chill and interesting.

FIRST DATE:

She was really laid back and open basically from the first 15 minutes of us hanging. We had a lot of topics to talk about, she was comfortable in my space, lead, and personality. We spent 5/6 hours together on our first date.

She was kind of strange with her body language in comfort phase. I knew that the time to kiss her has begun long ago, but it seemed like she didnt. I kissed her in the last hour of our date. Honestly I kind of struggled to make man to women, and sexual frames, but we were holding hands, I got her to scratch my arms because the mosquitoes were killing me. I was playing with her hair, holding her thigh, and had my arm around her. All of this while she was talking, but she wasnt holding that much eye contact since we were next each other in a seated position.

I decided that its time to kiss her, since I gotta go home in 30 minutes. I asked her: How is it possible that you dont have a boyfriend? Embarrassed, she laughed a little, and started to dive deep into it. She caught herself over sharing even saying it out loud ( god I dont know why Im telling you this but fuck it) She told me that she has never had a boyfriend.

Then I asked her if she knew how to kiss, ad she said yes with the cute littile smile on her face. Then she asked me the same, and I told her that I dont know how to kiss ( which wasnt far from the truth lol), She didnt belive me so I leaned, and said: here, ill show you.

She was a little bit hesitant, even leaned back and said, wait, let me think about it. With her arms over my shoulders, she said: ok why not

We had a great makeout session, I felt great as she had her arms on my chest looking at me straight into my soul.



SECOND DATE:
On he second meet, we went at the mall, looking for shoes to buy for me.
Then I told her to drive to the park and she drove us to the place we both like, then she started asking me to open up more. She told me that she feels like she already knows me, but at the same time, like Im not opening up enough.

She started hinting about us being together, and I knew that I have a nice opportunity to make her my girlfriend.
Later, when I told her that I wanna get more comfortable, she invited me to lay in her lap. I did and from that point on I knew that the chase is over, shes mine.

She started hinting some more, even making jokes about capturing my heart...

I started proposing us going in the back seat, but she resisted verbally a few times. She said: I know you, you are gonna move inch by inch to the thing you want. I sensed that she thought that I wanted to fuck her there or something,but that wasnt my intention actually.

At this point we still havent kissed on this date, but I wasnt rushing. Then she sat in my lap at the passenger seat (my initial seat) and we started making out. I tried to grab her tits under her shirt, but she was a little resistant, basically jumping of off me, but I did grab them soon after. Then I convinced her to go to the backseat, because here is not so comfortable. She agreed this time and we kiss again.

Then I start grabbing her tits over her bra. I pushed her to take of her hoodie, because she was getting hot, but she agreed to take it of only half way, so I can say hi to her great titties. I played with them and then I got them out of the bra and immediately started kissing them and even biting her nipples. Her body started to shiver and I knew I got her horny. By the way, that was my first encounter with girls naked titties. While holding my head, with excited and overwhelmed voice, she whispered to me: calm downnn.

I knew that I dont want to go much further, because Im a virgin and so is she, so I want to lose it in a more comfortable setting for both of us, not in a car...

I proposed the idea of us making pancakes in my friends apartment some day next week
(it was Thursday night).
She was unsure, but she agreed. Then I said, lets do it Monday, Tuesday, but she said that that is to early and that she is scared.

As she was laying with her shoulders on the front seats and with her pelvis on me, with her pussy directly at my dick, I asked if shes a virgin (just to check, I was almost sure that she is) and she said yes. I told her that I dont want her first time to be like this, and that I want to give her a great and comfortable experience, where the both of us will feel enjoy to the fullest.

She listened to me carefully, strong eye contact and nodding like a little girl. Then she said something about how lame it is that shes a virgin, and I went into this speech about how that is her advantage, and that I dont to be with girls who have big body counts. I presented myself as someone who has been with a fair amount of girls, and she fully bought it, even though Im a virgin myself lol.

After that meet, I tried to set up the pancakes, but she asked me to meet for the coffee first. I said that I think that we can have way more fun while being alone, but that her comfort is more important to me. She said, that shell feel that way if we meet for coffee first.



THIRD DATE:
On the third meet we were fully comfortable with each other, in all ways. We have spent hour on some bench in the dark park. I tried to talk to her about some deep and personal things to get to know her better and to get her to trust me more, so we can progress to sex some other time.

As the topic allowed I started playfully but genuinely building the case that we should fuck soon, but she told me her argument very politely and carefully, so I wont get mad as she says. But I understand her, so of course I wasnt mad, which she really liked. All of this is happening while shes sitting in my lap.

I asked her, how would she feel if I looked for that (sex) elsewhere, she said that I have two options with her.
1. we can be friends
2. if I want something more I cant do things like that.

the word friends triggered me so I sad fuck no we are not gonna be friends. Maybe I overreacted.

Anyway, she is talking about us going here and there, asking me about my plans for the summer, and basically putting the relationship frame out there.

Then we talked about summer affairs and I again played the role of the guy who is sexually experienced (and she believed it again), but when she jokingly tried to compete with me I started playfully slapping her which she liked.

To finish the story, I dont know what should I do.

I WANT TO FUCK HER ASAP
, not because Im horny or because shes hot, but because I WANT TO FINALLY LOSE MY VIRGINITY.

SHE
wants to be my girlfriend, and I dont have a problem with that, the thing is I dont know if I want her to my girl, but she has potential.

Im not in that of a hurry to fuck her though, since I know that shes gonna give it to me sooner or later.



The question is:

Should I try to fuck her asap so I dont get stuck with her until she gives it to me?

How can I get sex from her soon?

I know that now she has the power because we havent had sex yet, not to mention that Im convinced that I should and I want to talk to other girls simultaneously.

I dont want to risk missing out on having her sex due to talking to other girls, but how would she know?



Thanks for reading and I hope you have some insights to offer.

Also I dont know If I should put this post on the FR board, so I put it on the beginner one.

thnx
 

Bill

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I wouldn’t if you don’t want a relationship and aren’t clear about that beforehand, she’d probably view it as you lying about it to use and discard her if you take her virginity then say you don’t want a relationship.

Maybe if you’re absolutely clear you don’t want a relationship and kind of frame it as getting virginity out of the way. Lying about your lay count can help this by implying it’s not a serious thing but now you have a different problem of her thinking you’ll know what you’re doing.

Being “friends” doesn’t necessarily mean permanent friend zone if the flirtatious vibe continues.
 

OldGuy

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When I was young, I dated a woman and even proposed to her. She turned me down. Years later, when she was married to another man and carrying their second son, she told me she would have married me if we had had sex. I see now she did try to seduce me a few months after turning my proposal down, but at the time I thought she wasn't interested since she did not want to marry me.
 

Chase

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You need to learn game.

If you couldn't close her in 3, you're not gunna close her I'm afraid.

Read this for starters..

He sounds young.

It's common for young guys to be hard-driving from hormones while confused about whether they really want to date a girl or not.

It's common for young girls to be nervous about sex and press the young guy for a relationship.

I wouldn’t if you don’t want a relationship and aren’t clear about that beforehand, she’d probably view it as you lying about it to use and discard her if you take her virginity then say you don’t want a relationship.

Yes.

@mike james, I know your hormones are raging, but the focus here should be on seduction.

e.g., "Where do you see this going?" --> "That's what I want to explore together with you"

"Are you going to date me seriously?" --> "This is all as new to me as it is to you. Let's take it one step at a time and see where it leads"

Etc.

That is assuming you are potentially open to a relationship if it unfolds right, which it sounds like you are:

SHE wants to be my girlfriend, and I dont have a problem with that, the thing is I dont know if I want her to my girl, but she has potential.

Try not to make it a bigger deal than it is.

Girlfriend ≠ wife.

You're not marrying her.

Unless you do something dumb and knock her up as a teenager (I assume you're both teenagers), there's an excellent chance any relationship you start is over in a handful of months.

Heck, very likely this girl herself wouldn't be ready to say "Oh yes I definitely want to be your serious girlfriend" if you asked her this early on. Probably for her it's just some vague idea of "well maybe we could be together in some kind of relationship or something."

Be seductive, set truthful expectations, keep an open mind with her, and don't treat it like it's some kind of decision between "either it has to be a one-night stand or we've gotta get married" and you'll be fine.

Chase
 

TomInHo

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You need to learn game.

If you couldn't close her in 3, you're not gunna close her I'm afraid.

Honestly I don't believe that anymore

I personally have never gone past 3 encounters to bang a girl. And that's on me, because I just lack patience

After working with more guys over the last year, I’ve seen plenty of examples where it took 5+ dates to close a girl

In the back of my head I thought they were foolish and wasting their time but for taking so long. But for some of them, they genuinely liked the girl and enjoyed spending time with her even without sex

And in the end, a good number of those guys ended up with the girl head over heels in love with them once the relationship took off

So it's not always so black and white

If he's escalating and she is reciprocating more each date then I think that's more important than some arbitrary number of dates

This girl clearly likes him, but has some concerns because sex is a big deal to her. If he had more experience, he might know how to ease those concerns better

But as long as he doesn't promise he is going to marry her a put kids in her just to get laid, then I think it will be a good idea for him to keep going until he either bangs or burns this lead to the ground

Regardless the outcome it will be a great learning lesson
 

mike james

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You need to learn game.

If you couldn't close her in 3, you're not gunna close her I'm afraid.

Read this for starters..
Maybe, but I wasnt even trying to fuck her in those meets...

In the meantime, we hung out again, and we went on a dinner where we talked more about personal topic, getting to know each other more. Ended up in her car AGAIN. Took her bra off AGAIN, this time I unzipped her pants, took them off of her ass (but she had her legs spread around me while she was lying on me) and put my finger right above her pussy. She said that she needs to have her hand down there with mine (for her to feel in control). Later we just relaxed in each others arms. She drove me back home AGAIN.

Im probably going to make her my girlfriend.
 

mike james

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Maybe if you’re absolutely clear you don’t want a relationship and kind of frame it as getting virginity out of the way. Lying about your lay count can help this by implying it’s not a serious thing but now you have a different problem of her thinking you’ll know what you’re doing.
I agree
Being “friends” doesn’t necessarily mean permanent friend zone if the flirtatious vibe continues.
Dont know why I got triggered by the friend thing, because I have the same thinking like you on this
 

mike james

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He sounds young.
im 22
It's common for young guys to be hard-driving from hormones while confused about whether they really want to date a girl or not.
I think its way more mental fr me than physical. I just want to lose my virginity, and frankly this girl looks like the perfect one to do it with, on my terms.
Where do you see this going?" --> "That's what I want to explore together with you"

"Are you going to date me seriously?" --> "This is all as new to me as it is to you. Let's take it one step at a time and see where it leads"
She asked me this the 2 hours before Ive read your advice. I remembered this word for word and said it, but I sensed that she wants me to go deeper with my response. She said that she doesnt want me to potentially feel frustrated because of her resistance to sex (of course, not this transparent). I said that I wont, and that my job is to escalate and hers is to resist more or less. She was satisfied with my response.
 
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the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

mike james

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Try not to make it a bigger deal than it is.

Girlfriend ≠ wife.

You're not marrying her.

Unless you do something dumb and knock her up as a teenager (I assume you're both teenagers), there's an excellent chance any relationship you start is over in a handful of months.

Heck, very likely this girl herself wouldn't be ready to say "Oh yes I definitely want to be your serious girlfriend" if you asked her this early on. Probably for her it's just some vague idea of "well maybe we could be together in some kind of relationship or something."

Be seductive, set truthful expectations, keep an open mind with her, and don't treat it like it's some kind of decision between "either it has to be a one-night stand or we've gotta get married" and you'll be fine.
roger that, thanks
 

mike james

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So it's not always so black and white

If he's escalating and she is reciprocating more each date then I think that's more important than some arbitrary number of dates

This girl clearly likes him, but has some concerns because sex is a big deal to her. If he had more experience, he might know how to ease those concerns better

But as long as he doesn't promise he is going to marry her a put kids in her just to get laid, then I think it will be a good idea for him to keep going until he either bangs or burns this lead to the ground

Regardless the outcome it will be a great learning lesson
Great insight, and definitely, it is going to be a great lesson, regardless of what happens.
thxxx
 
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