Sloppy Chase Framing leads to a bust

[Gsi2810]

Last night was at an online IRL meetup, 1:10 sex ratio that bad lol but the guys were no competition, the nice guys blue pill type. The best girl was a 6 but you got to play the hand you're dealt lol. I moved her, but there were way too many guys talking about the most boring topics ever and she was insisting on a social multi people interaction though I was able to achieve semi isolation, but some guys or others kept on trying to interrupt. I was doing man to woman non verbals and we did start getting into sex and related topics + I was doing light kino + NEVER BROKE THE CIRCLE and even acted bored when she broke the circle for social conversations with 4 more guys (yes that many around our table).

I think I fumbled the chase framing aspect, she could tell she can have me if she wants, she called out my interest in her and I qualified her about being open minded and she was still quite cautious didn't fully qualify, it didn't help that I failed to move her the second time for a walk around the neighborhood (instead of the noisy bar the entire group was at).

So need help on:
1. Pointers in better chase framing
2. Get out of jail card- I have often lost girls to this where I think I have overplayed my interest in her, is there a get out of jail card in situations like these? Ideally you should Chase Frame better but no pick up is perfect right? If one has been sloppy in Chase Framing and is in a hole so to say, how to get out?

 

[DarkKnight]

Not sure what happened there but I would DEFINITELY look for places with better sex ratios. My fundamentals are much higher than average guys , I get opened, I get stared at etc. etc. etc. STILL when sex ratios are horrible this really works against you.

Not sure about this but one would argue that an 8 or 9, would ignore the nice guys (assuming they really were this) and zoom in on the rare high quality kind of guy, but with a 6 all bets are off.

The best girl was a 6 but you got to play the hand you're dealt lol

or you open girls in places with better ratios?

 

[Gsi2810]

Yup was thinking the same but you know I thought I was there make the most of it. Eventually left for home after 2 hours or so. But you got any suggestions on:

So need help on:
1. Pointers in better chase framing
2. Get out of jail card- I have often lost girls to this where I think I have overplayed my interest in her, is there a get out of jail card in situations like these? Ideally you should Chase Frame better but no pick up is perfect right? If one has been sloppy in Chase Framing and is in a hole so to say, how to get out?

Because even outside of this incident I feel sometimes I overshow my interest and the girl thinks I'm a done deal.

 

[DarkKnight]

I dont use chase framing as often as I should and I am aware of this. I rather tend to make girls qualify themselves and use reward to put myself as authority so I am pretty sure other guys here are better in it

Get out of jail card- I have often lost girls to this where I think I have overplayed my interest in her, is there a get out of jail card in situations like these? Ideally you should Chase Frame better but no pick up is perfect right? If one has been sloppy in Chase Framing and is in a hole so to say, how to get out?

preselection

 

[Gsi2810]

Hmm you mean pre selection gambits? Stories about my exes and sexual prizing?

 

[DarkKnight]

No I meant, let them see you with other hot women. Problem is you are already in an unfavorable position so through other people they can reevaluate you with the biggest magic bullet which is other women.

but you should to this anyway, why focus on the girls which didnt pan out like you wanted to (probably some mental investment on your part). Meet more girls, do things right and let the old girls sense the preselection ..

 

[ulrich]

She wasn’t biting.

I don’t think the problem was the chase frame. I think you were too transparent in your intentions in a social setting.

So she is not going to signal that you and her are moving forward in a room full of potential suitors.
You should have dropped her after she refused the isolation.

 

[Gsi2810]

These days I’m really addicted to the game. I’m always looking forward to it, so I thought it was either this or home. Didn’t feel like going to the bars and clubs have that stored for this weekend. But that being said any suggestions in this department:


So need help on:
1. Pointers in better chase framing
2. Get out of jail card- I have often lost girls to this where I think I have overplayed my interest in her, is there a get out of jail card in situations like these? Ideally you should Chase Frame better but no pick up is perfect right? If one has been sloppy in Chase Framing and is in a hole so to say, how to get out?

Because even outside of this incident I feel sometimes I overshow my interest and as you said a bit too transparent even though I qualify that sometimes works sometimes it doesn’t and the girl thinks I'm a done deal.

 

[Beck Bass]

Because even outside of this incident I feel sometimes I overshow my interest and as you said a bit too transparent even though I qualify that sometimes works sometimes it doesn’t and the girl thinks I'm a done deal.

I feel you, I was guilty of that a lot on the past, and the best advice I can give you is just chill and go explore other options...

Like if you go hard on a girl, and she plays uninterested, like she's hot shit, just excuse yourself and go talk to other girls (not like super abrubtly, let the convo die naturally, so it doesn't feel super reactive and butthurt, like don't be butthurt, be like ok, I think you're hot, but if you don't wanna play, I'll find another girl that will). Ideally the other girl will see you interacting with her, some hot girl (again, ideally lol), and you will have some preselection, so things should go smoother with this girl. And maybe the first girl realizes her mistake of letting you go and opens up afterwards. Anyway, you should be using those roadblocks as signs to switch targets and go building preselection, it's fine to reengage afterwards (you can do this even on social events with people you know, so you build momentum with everybody and make sure they are all having a good time, and you feel like the boss, because everyone will think you're cool, if you do it right).

There's always the situations where there's not many girls around to interact with, in which case you're kinda stuck with her... In those situations, you better just play safer from the start, and if you overshow your interest, step a bit back and let her invest a bit, otherwise again, just let things kinda die, and go talk to someone else.

 

[Gsi2810]

Great response man, I remember there were times in the conversation last night where I was rolling my eyes thinking this bitch lol and I scouted the bar to find the other 6 surrounded by a bunch of more guys. Like everyone said earlier, just overall a bad situation with 10:1 ratio. I hung around for longer because I knew it was this girl or bust.