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DaddyD

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Hi. What's up everyone? I'm a newbie to the forums posting for the first time, though I have some exposure to Chase's articles. I was hoping you guys could give me some solid advice for an upcoming date I got. If anything I say comes across as kind of stupid or rambling, just keep in mind that I'm pretty new to the art of seduction and still figuring it all out.

Okay, now that we got that out of the way, here's the whole story. I met this blonde girl at one of my college's shuttle stops. You could probably fairly say she's a bombshell type, especially given that she's a bikini model, though I didn't know that at the time. We were standing together at the shuttle stop when I noticed she sat down on the bench. After a minute or two wanting to talk to her, yet not wanting to rudely interrupt her texting (kind of silly now that I think about it), and thinking this girl is probably out of my league, I gather my courage, sit next to her, and I initiate conversation. Damned if I'm not going to at least try! I don't really remember all the details of the conversation, but anyways I tell her about a good instructor I had, and she asks me who it is. I can't remember the instructors name, so I tell her that if she gives me a way to get in contact with her, I'll tell her who in the instructor is, once I recall it. She asks for my Facebook and sends me an invite. We get on the bus and ask each other about what class we're heading to, what our major is, etc.

One of the things that was so weird about this, is that she actually asked me personal questions. This doesn't seem to happen 99% of the time when I chat to girls. Not only that, she is opening up to me, revealing things about herself to me without my having to ask. Normally, girls just give me short nonelaborate responses that sometimes seem abrupt. I vaguely remember making the comment to her about something that went like, "Oh, that's smart.", perhaps in a mild subdued complimentary manner. Then, when I tell her what my major is, she says, "So, you're a smart guy?" Wow! Is she flirting with me? I tell her with a certain poised matter-of-fact tone, "I'm a 4.0 student." She reveals that she is a 4.0 student as well. I notice we seem to have a fair bit in common and seem to be developing a good rapport. During the conversation, I tell her I am going to a classical music course. She tells me that she loves classical music. My instructor for the course requires that we attend the concerts, and as such, gets us free tickets, including an extra to take anyone we want. I see an opportunity and say, "I have an extra ticket to a concert, but I don't know who to take. Maybe you'd like to come." She seems kind of excited and interested, asking when it is. As we part ways, I tell her I will message her later.

To be clear though, the concert is not the date I'm talking about. Anyways, I stay busy with classes the next day or two, before I finally message her. I ask her if next Friday works for the concert. She tells me she already has plans then. I ask if Saturday is any better, she explains that a friend is getting married and she might have a bachelorette party that night. She says she will let me know later if she can come Saturday night. I message her occasionally every now and again on Facebook, telling her what I'm up to and making conversation. Fast forward to yesterday night, we are talking about one of my clubs that she is really interested in joining.

She seems to be in a really great mood and eager to join the club! Not to let such a high note go to waste, I tell her we should get lunch, that I know a really great restaurant, and ask her what time would work for her. Mentioning that she is free on Wednesday, she tells me that she was actually at that particular restaurant yesterday. Thinking she might not want to go to that restaurant again, I mention another one. She says she was also at the other restaurant yesterday too, and goes on to say, "We seem to share the same taste in food!" I find it odd that she would just so happen to be at those two restaurants. I begin to half wonder if she is going out of her way to develop a rapport with me. Win-win either way I figure. We settle on the first restaurant. I ask her if she wants a ride or she can make it over, but she tells me that it is close to where she lives and she can just walk there. One last thing that was kind of weird; she asks me if I can help with her astronomy exam and that she will bring her flash cards. I decide to follow Chase's advice I saw in one of his articles, and make the counter offer that perhaps she could help me with a native studies exam. She says, "Sure! I need to take that class. :)"

So anyways, we've agreed on a lunch date for this fast approaching Wednesday. When she first met me, I was very casually dressed, wearing gym shorts and a t-shirt, not to mention I had some stubble. Do you think it would be a good idea to be more fashionable for this date, so others see she is with a well-dressed guy? Would it embarrass her to be with a guy who doesn't seem concerned how he is dressed on his date, or would it make her uncomfortable, like I'm trying hard, if I spiffy up? How should I be dressed? Also, I'd appreciate some conversation tips. If she is as outgoing as she was on the bus, general conversation probably won't be a huge problem. However, I would say conversation is definitely one of my weakest areas. I also know that if I want to make things serious, I will need to sexually escalate quickly. I could try some nonverbal flirtation in the restaurant, although, I'm guessing more direct sexual talk might make her uncomfortable in a restaurant, right? My main plan is to walk her back to her apartment, and once we get there, either I kiss her and smoothly lead her into her room, or if nothing else, I tell her an excuse like, "I'm thirsty. Could I come in and have a glass of water?", and work my way from there. If something comes up where I have to leave, hell, maybe I can even "drop" my keys, so I have a good reason to come back later. A backup plan for my plan you could say.

I seem to being getting some strong compliance signals from this girl. However, I really want to make sure this date goes off without a hitch. Before anyone says anything, yes, I realize she isn't the only great girl out there, yes, I know I should work from an abundance perspective and not a scarcity one, yes, I know she isn't some perfect goddess, and yes, if she doesn't bite, I will move on and work on perfecting my seduction skills with other women. However, the way I see it, if I can secure her as a long term partner, it will be good practice for me as a seducer, not to mention, having such a desirable woman as a girlfriend would be a strong boost to my male pride and value as a mate to other women (If she's his girlfriend, there must be something great about that guy!). She's probably the prettiest woman I've seen in a long time, so I'd rather not blow it if it can be helped. You don't see a Marilyn Monroe every day. Way I see it, worst case, she is simply curious. Best case, she really wants me, and hopes I'll claim her as a lover! Feel free to ask me any questions. I appreciate any advice.
 

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DaddyD,

I am newer to this so hopefully some of the experience guys will add in. There is lots to comment on. First take a deep breath and relax. You did good getting the date.

DaddyD said:
One of the things that was so weird about this, is that she actually asked me personal questions.

She likes you. She feels a connection with you.


DaddyD said:
I message her occasionally every now and again on Facebook, telling her what I'm up to and making conversation.

Stop texting until you have read some of the articles on texting here. You are going to look needy. Save the conversations for face-to-face.

DaddyD said:
I find it odd that she would just so happen to be at those two restaurants.

Me too. It almost seems like a rejection but you got past it.

DaddyD said:
Do you think it would be a good idea to be more fashionable for this date, so others see she is with a well-dressed guy?

Yes dress well. Look at some of the forums on here for advice. Don't worry about embarrassing her. You want to make her want you. Don't panic if you don't have the exact cloths mentioned in here. Look nice but do not over dress. A tight Tee shirt, nice jeans, boots or leather shoes and a sports or leather jacket would be good.

DaddyD said:
Also, I'd appreciate some conversation tips.

It sounds like you are doing fine. Relax and take the pressure off yourself. Pre-plan with a few conversation topics but do be scripted. If you don't get to a topic on big deal.

DaddyD said:
I also know that if I want to make things serious, I will need to sexually escalate quickly.

Correct. Realize that women love sexual flirtation including verbal. They want to be adored and know they are sexually attractive. You will be amazed when you make such comments how it will increase her interest in you. Just do so subtly so you don't come off as a perv. No direct comments about what you want to do to her body. There are some guys on here that can do it but you need to know your shit. Do comment on her looks and be more specific. Not just you are pretty but something like I really like your taste in clothes. Women spend tons of time on their appearance and like to be appreciated.

DaddyD said:
My main plan is to walk her back to her apartment

Pre-planning a place to pull her to is excellent. If you can have a back-up place.

DaddyD said:
I seem to being getting some strong compliance signals from this girl. However, I really want to make sure this date goes off without a hitch. Before anyone says anything, yes, I realize she isn't the only great girl out there, yes, I know I should work from an abundance perspective and not a scarcity one, yes, I know she isn't some perfect goddess, and yes, if she doesn't bite, I will move on and work on perfecting my seduction skills with other women. However, the way I see it, if I can secure her as a long term partner, it will be good practice for me as a seducer, not to mention, having such a desirable woman as a girlfriend would be a strong boost to my male pride and value as a mate to other women (If she's his girlfriend, there must be something great about that guy!). She's probably the prettiest woman I've seen in a long time, so I'd rather not blow it if it can be helped. You don't see a Marilyn Monroe every day. Way I see it, worst case, she is simply curious. Best case, she really wants me, and hopes I'll claim her as a lover! Feel free to ask me any questions. I appreciate any advice.

It seems to me that you are trying to justify being needy here. I don't know how your University is but is sound like it has fine arts curriculum. If so there should be an abundance of fine looking women there. Think about this. Would you prefer to have one fine looking girl to have sex with occasionally or would you prefer to be bedding several babes including her. This is where a couple of important things come into play.
First you need to set the frame with her that you are her lover and not her boyfriend. Statements like "I am not looking for a relationship at this time" when you get tested help to set the frame.

Second when a girl sees you as a boyfriend she will slow down the pace of having sex. She is going to set her frame to make you her long term mate. There is an article in here on this subject. It is about being friend, boyfriend or lover.

Three, having a girlfriend does not increase your opportunity with other women. You increase your opportunity with other women.

One of the guys on here wrote in the forum about how he met his perfect physical women. They ended up married with her pregnant when he filed for divorce. It turned out that even though she was beautiful they couldn't stand each other. My point is you are putting this girl on a pedestal even though you say you know she is not perfect. It takes a long time to get to really know if you are truly compatible with someone. Are you willing to put in the time to see if she is the one or would you rather be having lots of sex. College is the easiest time in your life to have multiple lovers. Consider the opportunity cost. She is worth it? You don't know yet.

BDSC
 

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Awesome for taking your balls in your hands and approaching her!

Based on your descriptions it sounds like she was really surprised and enamored to have been approached by you. You're first slip up was getting her facebook info as opposed to her phone number, but it looks like it has worked out so far.

Like Big Daddy said, take a step back on your messaging of her. You have the date so you don't need to talk anymore other then to send a anti-flake text.

Lunch dates aren't ideal because it sets a friendly frame and can lead you into the friend zone. Ideally if you could reschedule it for later in the day if possible, if not just go with it and try to pull her home to "study".

At this point you may already be in the friendzone due to---> lunchdate + facebook + lots of messages, but that's not important.

What's important is the process. Continue to be the same cool, relatable, smart guy she met. Don't go overboard trying to seduce her and it would cause you to look extremely incongruent. Try to pull her home. Escalate.

If she wants you she will allow you to, if not she won't.

Don't over think it just enjoy it and play your cards. It seems like you did pretty good.

Let us know how it goes :)

Lotus
 

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Hey guys! I got an update here. I just got back from my date and things didn't quite go as I would have liked, yet I wouldn't necessarily say it was a total disaster. It was interesting to say the least. We had originally agreed to meet at 11:00, although, she messaged me and said she would be a little late, because she had to file a complaint against her neighbor. Time wasn't really on my side, the date kind of flew by, and she had to go to a class.

Anyways, she did show up and we did have a rather pleasant time together. She told me quite a fair bit about herself, like how she did modeling in California, moved away, and is basically going back to college to try and get away from it all. She also told me some other stuff about her parents, how they divorced, how she went into foster care and was eventually taken care of by different grandparents, etc. She also showed me a lot of pictures of her new apartment. She did most of the talking while I listened. There seemed to be a good rapport going, as we had a pretty smooth conversation going and I found further similarities between us. In particular she really lighted up when we talked about weightlifting! She told me about how she lifted weights for different bikini contests, how she had worked with some of the best fitness coaches, and she offered to help me with my weightlifting and exercise goals. I kind of thought, "Oh wow! This is cool!" I told her I could use an exercise partner, so I asked for her number, and she gave it to me before she had to go. There seemed to be good chemistry going. There seemed to be a little of that familiar rapport and it felt like she was practically pouring her compliance into me (offering to help me achieve fitness goals, etc.), like she was trying to get on my good side.

However, at the end, I hit a BIG sticking point! As she got up, getting ready to go, I noticed she got close to me, like she was expecting something from me, and there was something inside me that simply compelled me to go in for a peck! It felt awkward having her just stand there facing next to me. Her cheek seemed to be leaning there, right in front of me, practically begging for a kiss. It felt like I should do something and let her know my intentions (Screw hugs! Hugs are for friends!). So, as I drew my lips in, she drew her cheek away. The dialogue was roughly like this:

Her: I have a boyfriend. I thought I told you that.
Me: You did?

She then told me about how "SO" in her previous message meant, significant other. She apologized saying basically, I thought you knew, sorry, and that she probably should have been more clear. After she got up and left, I noticed a couple of messages from her on Facebook messenger. Here is what she messaged me:

"I apologize! I should have made it more clear that I had a boyfriend. Didn't mean to be rude and sorry of you think I was misleading. When I told you the other night that I went to ----- over the weekend with my SO I meant significant other"

"So I figured you knew"

Anyways, if I continue to pursue this girl, I will essentially be attempting to steal some guy's girlfriend. How can I save face here, in what would seem to be a rather direct rejection? I know sometimes girls will leave their boyfriends if they're not satisfied with them, but I'm not sure if that is the case here. What would you say if you were in my position? I have this lingering feeling that perhaps with enough cool persistence, determination, and boldness, she would eventually surrender to me. Then again, my intuition could be totally mistaken, and she might want to stay with him for the long haul. I don't know if it's just me, but I can't quite shake the feeling that, "something is going on here".

All and all though, she does seem like a legitimately cool person. Maybe I've been looking at things in the wrong way though. I know she mentioned something about a "Girl's Night", which would mean she has female friends. If she thinks I'm cool, maybe she'll introduce me to some of her friends, and I'll have some fun hooking up with them! Not to mention, she wanted to help me with my fitness goals! What!? Just an idea anyways. I know women kind of like playing matchmaker.

Anyways, what are your thoughts guys? Is this girl possibly willing to be scooped up by her boyfriend? Or should I maybe instead try to see if I can network with her girl pals and hook up with them? Also, what should I say to her now?
 

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I think you should cut your loses and just move on, if you can get some of her friends 1 on 1, isolated, then yes do it by all means but don't hang out with them, a quick intro or something.
 

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DaddyD said:
she asks me if I can help with her astronomy exam and that she will bring her flash cards. I decide to follow Chase's advice I saw in one of his articles, and make the counter offer that perhaps she could help me with a native studies exam. She says, "Sure! I need to take that class. :)"
His advice isn't meant to get you to be "leading" jut because; he mentions that you should do the date on your terms because you should have a plan for bedding her and following your lead actually makes that easier.

If she presents you with an opportunity in which you can capitalize, just roll with it and escalate further

You: Kay. Come over my apartment on Friday.

or, at the end of the date

You: Let's go back to my apartment so I can help you

Also, the whole BF thing: it's probably too late now. This happened because that you weren't clear with your intentions from the get-go (at least that was what it seemed to me). I got the feeling this was a little too platonic. Going indirect is fine, but in under five minutes you should say

You: Actually, I have to tell ya, I came here talk to you because I think you're really cute. And now that I know you're a cool girl, what do you say we get coffee this week?

Ask her to come over to help you out on that exam and if she comes, completely ignore the fact that she has a BF and push hard until she LEAVES. Be prepared for loads of LMR. It's token resistance. I still hate myself for not pushing hard enough in a situation where I could've easily fucked the girl but she kept insisting on the motherfucking boyfriend.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

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Good job on pushing yourself outside your comfort zone.

I'm not going to push moralistic advice on anyone here as far as women in relationships, but I think she made it pretty clear that she doesn't see you as a potential lover/boyfriend.

You didn't establish your intent clearly from the jump. You displayed a platonic vibe and you talked about very neutral, safe topics (school, clubs, etc.). Even though you may have gotten the conversation flowing in a deeper direction, the tone was already set from early on. In fact, she might have only agreed to meet you based on the premise of being "friends".

Even if a window is open, or still open, or however you want to frame it, you're better off just meeting another girl. I know it sucks when you feel you've started making a connection with this girl and you have similar interests, but better to cut things off now before you start investing more mental energy and feelings into this girl.

Don't feel bad for yourself or this girl. Women do this all the time. Even if they are in relationships, women value having other men in their lives for a variety of purposes/roles. If you feel like she is worth keeping around as a friend/ connection/ networking, by all means, do so. But if you're already "falling" for this girl, I'd advise you to keep this girl at arm's length. Go meet other women.

I generally am pretty good with my intent. Whether I'm verbally explicit or implicit with my body language and eye contact, women know I'm not trying to be their friend. It's impossible for them to see me as just a friend, because I don't allow them to.

For now, it's not a bad thing to make female friends, especially beautiful women. Surrounding yourself with beautiful female friends is never a bad thing; if you're still getting your feet wet, spending time around them and learning from them and how they think and act will help you. You won't be as intimidated or nervous around other beautiful women, because being around them is a normal, everyday thing for you.

So there's some benefit to making beautiful female friends. Just make sure you set boundaries for yourself and not end up as an orbiter/pushover/shopping buddy/shoulder to cry on. Learn how to be friends with them on your terms, instead of them using you for only their benefit. I know it sounds bad, but that's what ends up happening to most guys. They are happy to be spending time with a beautiful woman, as if she's doing him a favor by hanging out with him. If you're a man of value, whether she wants to sleep with you or not, she'll be wanting to be around you because you're a leader and you have value.
 

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I say this in the most positive way, NEXT. Cut your loses on your investment and move on to the next girl. You learned a lot. Use it with the next girls. Take your emotional investment out of her. On the next girl try to minimize your emotional investment. This doesn't mean to be emotionally distant with her. It means keeping yourself developing feelings for her. This is tough for many guys but it is necessary so you can maintain control. If you don't you become needy and you lose your dominance and the ability to control the situation. If you are looking for a girlfriend you need to wait until after you have had sex with her before you allow your emotions to become involved. Even then you need to maintain control. needy = friend-zone. Dominance = lover. When you remove your emotional involvement you can control the situation and move on to the next girl without feeling hurt. Easier said than done but to bed women it is necessary.

BDSC
 

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We seem to be fairly much agreed that a platonic tone was set from the start -- exchange of Facebook, "study buddy" vibe... I just want to make a few points about this. Firstly if your eye contact, touch and other nonverbals are on point the "study buddy" deal might not be such a bad way to go, as it's great plausible deniability, allows to isolate etc... just as long as you are communicating your intentions STRONGLY and nonverbally from the get-go. I don't know what your nonverbals are like but based on the level of animation and connection you describe, I think there is a chance she WAS still interested, except you'd need to be a dominant motherfucker to make it happen (dismiss the bf-defense with a laugh and looking off to the side momentarily, for example... there is a Brad Pitt clip of this somewhere on the boards), thing is I reckon you may have let her stand there a beat too long, hesitated and went in for the kiss too timidly... missed window is my tentative reading (let me say I see missed windows everywhere, might just be paranoia on my part, haha)... you could have handled it by acting earlier, putting a hand on her waist until she turns to you, looking her dead in the eye while turning her head the rest of the way towards you with an open palm on her cheek and then kiss her (briefly)... as it is, I suggest it's too hard to recover at this point, has bf -> act swiftly after revealing your intentions or she goes cold.
Ray
PS Great work on approaching and getting the date! And keeping your cool in the face of her hotness! You almost had this! Gained some valuable reference points too and an idea what to work on (expressing sexual intent).
 

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Thanks so much for the input guys! I'm still glad I went out and did it, even if I didn't quite manage to bring home the bacon. I'm still somewhat processing what happened. I think there was definitely some sort of strong submissive compliance in her. It's still kind of weird how she wanted to join just about all the college clubs I mentioned. This is highly speculative on my part, but I was actually considering that it may be possible she slotted me as possible boyfriend. I've gotten kind of a rather clingy vibe from his boyfriend.

Example: Oh my precious! My love! How wonderful you are!

I know from both experience and reading Chase's articles that being overly adoring, doting, needy, etc. is a good way to lose a girl, and I wondered if something like that could be going on. What if she's getting tired of his boyfriend treating her like gold, like some princess, and needs someone else to spice up her life? Maybe she needs a bad boy to come frisk her away, or maybe she's decided to go into the market for a new boyfriend and I just happened to be one of those guys she considered. In any case, I think I clearly need to improve my ability to communicate sexual interest BIG time! It seems like I tend to fall into a trap where either my sexual communication is either too forward and direct (Babe, you look damn sexy. Lets go to my apartment tonight babe.) or I stay in the safe zone and fail to communicate my interest properly.

I do like Big Daddy's idea of bringing her back to my place, or possibly going to hers for "study". Although, I think I really need to nail down my sexual approaches and communication to pull this off well. I will try hitting some bars and clubs this weekend to sharpen my techniques, so wish me luck with that!

By the way, I noticed Chase's article on what to do and what not do if a girl has a boyfriend (https://www.girlschase.com/content/girl- ... things-not), and I'd appreciate a little more clarification on something. He talked a bit about keeping your distance from a girl and coming back to nab a girl when her relationship ends. What exactly does this mean? Does that mean being a friend, but being the cool, aloof, and hard to nail down friend, in order to preserve your lover value? I don't think I can just completely cut off contact with this one girl, wait for her relationship to go south, then be all like, "Hey, what's up? Remember me? Yeah, I know it was a long time ago..." Would be a little obvious, don't you think? So, does that mean ideally, that I barely stand on the periphery of her awareness enough that she knows I exist and we have an at least somewhat congenial relation between each other?

Also, I have a suggestion for an article on Girls Chase. Now, I think we can all agree that prevention is WAY better than a cure. Although, if I one should find himself in the unfortunate situation of being friend zoned, what can be done to flip a friend into a lover? Or is it just completely unheard of and not possible in your opinion? I have heard before that it's possible but VERY tough. Anyways, if Chase or somebody wrote an article on that, I'd find it very interesting.

Thanks again and I'll continue to share here. By the way, for future postings, should I post such experiences on the Field Reports board, or is it fine to post to the beginner board, since I'm still in an active learning process?
 

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Good job on approaching the girl even tho you found her intimidating - sounds like you've got a good hold on what you need to work on : girls don't get a very sexual edgy impression from your approach. Which I think really comes down to eye contact and a sexual smile. You're also opening indirect and so that doesn't help getting your sexual intentions across. Although you definitely don't need to open direct you just need to show intention at some point which you did - which was also good.

Something I've noticed is that the more physically attractive a girl is the easier she is to talk to since she is more socially competent after years of having guys hit on her and being forced into social situations.They tend to have this really overly polite attitude because they've hurt a lot of guys feelings and want to avoid scenarios like that if possible.

BUT she met up with you which is a lot of compliance for a girl you've just met which means she sees some sort of value in you - like you said you you've got 2 options practice delivering sexual intentions and go "study" at your apartment - which could blow up in your face and you may not have the social skills to deal with repercussions and LMR- ie girl doesn't want to see you again. Personally since this is a girl at your college I don't see any point in burning the set to the ground and possibly damaging your reputation (depending how big it is) if this was some girl you met at a shopping center or beach I'd say burn it to the ground and use it as practice.

The other option which you've asked to have explained : just keeping on the radar in some way while keeping your investment minimal. So if she joins one of the clubs that your part of just say hi brief conversation and then leave - sometimes say hi sometimes don't. The idea is you being the acquaintance she bumps into now and then once every two weeks or somthing. In the meantime you practice your skills on other women and when she breaks up with her bf hopefully your ability to deliver sexual intent has improved and then when you bump into her invite her close to your apartment then run a date go to apartment and try to bed her.
 

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There have been new developments with the model! I have decided to turn this into a journal so that it doesn't turn into this run-on thread. Feel free to see the details at the link below! I would greatly appreciate any advice you might have.

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