Someone offered to mentor me, he's successful but our styles are different.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So recently got back in touch with an old business partner from my time in clubs, him and an investor have purchased a building in the city and will be opening up a nightclub there (and would like my help running/organizing and building the brand). It's really not even a lot of work on my side and there's tons of business potential (He's a type-A business guy that handles pretty much everything by himself anyway, I barely have to do anything but there are a ridiculous amount of benefits to potentially reap).

Now me and him got to talking, discussing our tactics with women. I tend to favor a simple and direct approach, both at the bar/club or during daygame and social circle (I'm horrid at calibration, but it has garnered me a fair amount of success). So far I have had 6 new lays since I broke up with my ex back in October, as well as quite a few hookups that didn't result in sex but clothes came off and I either fingered her, she gave me a handjob/blowjob whatever as well as a fair few make outs. Lots of this has been from online game but the success is coming from GC tactics (stuff I wouldn't have been able to pull before), I also have been getting multiple makeouts at the bar and got my first 60 second LR pull a couple weekends ago on the street so some success on the Cold Approach side too. So I think maybe I'm starting to somewhat understand what I'm doing?

However, the calibration (and lack of it) is an issue. I go on quite a few dates, I've noticed the most attractive girls that I go out with (the one's I'd rank 8-9) NEVER CALL ME/TEXT BACK. I can't seem to find what I'm doing differently (I'm not treating them any differently), it seems I am only able to succeed with those who are 7's and below right now; and it's not for lack of trying. I simply can't identify my sticking point with these more attractive women that may have more options! Also my daygame around school has been getting me in trouble reputation wise, ok not really trouble but the white knights/betas who are friend zoned by girls there are always trying to lowkey talk shit (even though I talk shit right back and call them out for trying to fuck dudes confidence up and judge me) but even though I rarely do it now it seems to not succeed at all! There was a time Pre-GC when I was doing halfway decent on campus (which because it's a small community college is almost like extended social circle).

I don't get it, I want to find a girlfriend to be completely honest; I always have even though I've been going out with lots of women and sleeping with lots of women for a long time, I simply can't seem to maintain relationships or even ever get them to the commitment stage.

The New Mentor: So my new business partner and me got to talking and he is trying to teach me his style; which literally baffles me and I don't understand it whatsoever (but it works and I've seen him use it to great effect). Basically he's got genius level frame control of conversations, basically approaches as a "friend" but doesn't put a label on it and just hangs out, uses no direct game whatsoever, never bothers making a move and girls will (while they're alone together after a couple times of this) literally yank his pants off and start sucking his dick. Even more importantly (to him) he mentions that he gives girls "Jobs", like getting more people to his events, or being almost like his "secretary" and creating flyers and media stuff for him (for free). Somehow he does all this without being used, taken advantage of and is pulling girls that I've tried for and failed miserably with (basically those 8s and 9's that are currently escaping me), not only that but he gets them to literally fall in love with him (his ex was going to run away to New York to become a prostitute when he broke up with her, and this girl is a straight A well calibrated super involved beauty that has ZERO mental/emotional issues from what I've seen). He also refuses to have sex with most of these girls because he says and I quote verbatim "I'm going to be successful and I don't want one of these bitches to have my babies/genes, they aren't worth it; a woman has to earn my dick", SOMEHOW HIS ATTRACTION NEVER EXPIRES! He says it's because once they have the dick the chase is over and they win, if they don't know what I want from them (but it seems like it's absolutely nothing because I need nothing from them) they're far more apt to try and use their pussy to control me, since that's what they're used to guys wanting.

I don't understand this whatsoever... what tactics is he using? Are his fundamentals just on point? He even tells me himself he's not that attractive (tall black guy, skinny, dresses pretty well though), his own brother who's a pretty boy and an athlete doesn't understand it either, and my friend just laughs at him when he tries to take girls from him (like the ex that's currently living with them and fucking my buddy whenever he wants). It's like he's got mind control or something, I've seen the texts from one of the girls that's currently sucking his dick, SHE'S LITERALLY BEGGING HIM TO DATE HER! I failed miserably with this particular girl (ok not miserably but she tried to friend zone me and I just stopped responding).

Anyway his advice for me so far has been to stop running game and to treat women like people and not objects, I think what he's really trying to say is perhaps I'm being so ridiculously obvious by running direct game that while I'm confident there is no chase. Also he tells me he can sense my imbalanced confidence (that it's not consistent and seeks validation), he tells me I should only take the shots that count; because right now he's seeing that my reputation is getting fucked up and girls that would have otherwise gone out with me an dated me (high interests) are now having zero interest.

What's going on GC? :/, I don't want to be stuck at Beginner-Intermediate forever!

 

[Bboy100]

You know me, so obviously, you know this guy is probably well above my level as well. Most of what you describe, I don't understand either. But there's a couple things which stand out to me:

1. His style seems dangerously similar to our own DrexelScott. So there is definitely merit to it. Read some of his articles. See if they sound similar.
2. Imo, you need to understand what he does on a conceptual level, then learn to apply it to your own style. Your style isn't exactly one to one with what Chase describes here on GC either. But you've still found a way to incorporate what he teaches into your behavior right? I think that with him, you could do the exact same thing. The challenge for you will be to understand what he does. Because unlike Chase, its unlikely that he consciously understands what he's doing well enough to teach it. So your job will be to ask very specific, targeted questions. So you want to ask things like: "Exactly how did x action produce y result". Asking generic questions like "How did you do that" or "What is your strategy" won't work here.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

@Bboy, he's above both our levels brother, but we do much more volume than he does (admitted himself).

The cool thing is from what we've talked about so far (we've had a couple of hour long convos about this), is HE DOES understand what he's doing and how he can teach me to do the same thing, it's going to be a lot of hits to my ego, a lot of waiting and being patient and understanding; but yes he can teach me on a conscious level.

It does need to happen though, since we're going to be working together in the event industry and my reputation (as it has always been) is still as a polarizing, douchey wannabe player who is not even all that great (or discreet) at being a player. That needs to change in order to garner success with our female attendees, so I'll be learning and of course sharing and posting my findings so other's here can learn as well!

 

[Smith]

Trackrunner,

Style aside. There's still a lot of things you can learn from him. He's very entitled, and that's what made the 9s and 10s chase him. He has good leadership, have his own business where he takes care of almost everything and give out "jobs" to girls. The quality of a man on his purpose.

It may seems like he's approaching these girls as "friends", but the underlying frame and subcommunication is man to woman. I think I can understand what he means by not "running game". This is also what Tyler has been teaching us in his programme. Be polite and use your subcommunication to hook girls in, and it works. I found that with the so called "9s and 10s", this is even more important.

Anyway his advice for me so far has been to stop running game and to treat women like people and not objects

This was also the advice I was given by a natural lol. Appreciating the girl as a woman.

But this is awesome he offered to mentor you. I think it's good to have someone show you how to calibrate, because there are certain blind spots or signs that you wouldn't have noticed and having a mentor observing you is very helpful.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Nope. don't.

That's like asking a govt to build mosque and church together. There will always be one "God".

Do it short term because you will bite his head off and he will bite your head off.

Zac

 

[Lotus]

He is successful because he subliminally communicates so much value. His non-neediness around women is differentiates him from every other guy these girls have ever met. 99 percent of guys are putting them on a pedestal so when someone doesn't it makes them rediculously wet.

"Running game", in my opinion, is what the guys without the established, deep down self-confidence do to pretend to be naturals. Naturals don't run game, they are game. By that I mean they exhibit the traits the guys running game wish were part of their personality.

He is right, treat women as people. Embrace and enjoy their warm, feminine energy.

As to Zac's advice, I disagree.

There's no reason to not use every tool in your asrsenal to improve and develop yourself.

The Analogy with the church and the mosque is a perfect reason to utilize his help:

A church can never be built next to a mosque because of one thing. The ego. Both institutions believe they are right and cannot accept that the other could be right. The egos surrounding them are too strong. I think you could use your situation to move beyond ego.

Obviously you don't have to become what he is.... That would be nonsense but take the tools he can provide to mold yourself to the you you would like to be.

-Lotus

 

[trashKENNUT]

Lotus,

That's my point. Short term means you can only do so much before you go into "stability mode" where you prefer people who think like you.

The thing is i get along with Chase only because we believe in similar things though we have differences in certain things that he constantly reminds me and i try to constantly remind him of the other side of the spectrum.

The problem with him however is that they both have different styles. It is easy to say i will do this and i will do that but doing it is very different. So yea, don't make me stop you but be AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL HICCUPS along the way.



Zac

 

[trashKENNUT]

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[Eternity]

Do it. For the connects, wisdom, and experience. He sounds very advanced, everything men here wish to be. I wouldn't hesitate to learn from him but also keep some distance and detachment from things in his behavior/lifestyle that do not bode well with you. I wish i had someone like that in my life. I know only one natural that is great with women but he's older and he reminds me too much of my own father to feel comfortable hanging with him. I wouldn't think twice and take the opportunity...