Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls?

[Rusty]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

You guys can post while you're on ecstasy if you want but at best, it is going to be a temporary feel good "you can do anything you set your mind to" post. At worst, you're going to get OP seriously hurt or killed by giving him terrible advice.

No one on this thread ever suggested that the OP do anything that would involve him doing anything crazy or weird. Being social and expanding your social boundaries by meeting new people and making new friends is not something (in most cases) that will get you "seriously hurt or killed".

You say that you're the only person that is qualified on this thread to give advice, yet you have given no such help in any way shape or form. If anything, you're just stating and restating your beliefs and your experiences, which give zero help other than to warn or scare the OP from further action. There's nothing actionable, there are no mindsets, there are no principles, tips, advice or anything he can take away from your post other than you attacking Anatman and others.

I've no need to defend myself. I already prefaced what I said with "I have no experience in the South" and the like. I'm not an authority on the southern states, let alone a "casanova" like you suggest one should be to give advice. I'm not acting like an expert, nor am I trying to sound like one.

What I do know is that whenever you're in a new place or a new country, the best thing to do is find some chill, low risk areas to start making friends (And what better place than an institution of learning and education with people who have similar interests and backgrounds as you?). If there is no one to help you, you have to blaze your own path.

Yes, no one is denying the differences in culture and social norms and values. I fully acknowledge that Los Angeles is different from San Francisco as it is different from New York and Chicago and Atlanta and so on.

But human nature doesn't change. You act as if women from the South and in particular Georgia are some kind of alien species. They're still women, right? So if you won't offer any tips or advice, the best thing the OP can do is be social and chill, get to know people, understand the social realities of the men and women he is trying to socialize and befriend and learn the lay of the land. It's better than doing nothing.

And I find it really hard to believe that every single man and woman would shut down the OP or alienate him for no reason. As long as he's being a chill, friendly and sociable guy that's bringing some kind of value (Like having some kind of skills, access to resources, being a good conversationalist, etc.) then he should be able to make friends and at least start building some kind of momentum and knowledge of how things work around in that city or town.

So as someone who is so experienced and understands Georgia, why don't you offer some kind of advice instead of being a naysayer. No one is saying that "you can do anything you set your mind to".

Not at all. Of course there are limitations and restrictions and not everyone is the same and not everything is equal. Nobody is telling the OP that he can bang a girl every night if he just spouts off the right routines and peacocks the right way.

But if you want to find out what you can accomplish with your social life, it behooves you to take initiative and find friends and meet people and learn the ways of the locals.

If anything, it sounds like you, Kenshin, are the one who is projecting a lot of negative mindsets and vibes. You're not the OP and the OP is not you, so even your experiences will not perfectly lend themselves useful to the OP necessarily. It's up to the individual to take on the right mindsets and principles in his own life and see what is possible.

It's not about "feel good" stuff. I'm all about pragmatic, realistic and sober perspectives and solutions. You've offered nothing else other than basically this: that Georgia is hopeless, the people and women there suck, don't even try. You should listen to me since I've been there. Oh but I won't tell you what to do or what can help you.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

Although I have never been to Georgia or the southeast myself, one thing I can share is that location undoubtedly matters a lot. Not only just the state but the type of place you are in that state. For example, I am in a prominent city in the northeast corner of the country. I have had a lot of success in this city as you can tell by my lay reports but before I came here, I was struggling like no other. Just as Franco, Chase, and other old regulars, I was one of the biggest whiners on this board.

One thing people do not understand about areas where so much centers around the university is that once those circles end up being set, it becomes harder and harder to be a part of the scene. Just making friends with the fraternity brothers or higher status guys is difficult as you try to juggle difficult classes. The fraternity brothers and higher status guys on campus just aren't going to come in and start making friends with a random guy even if he does have the social skills in place. There is a reason guys pay thousands of dollars in dues and are put through hazing, so they can enjoy the parties and the cute girls.

If OP is used to getting with cute and beautiful girls in other areas, all I can say is that he will have a rougher time in a newer place where people are so cliquish.

Now OP can try hobbies and meet up groups but once again, from my experience, they will consist of "townies" and a lot of the lesser attractive women. Breaking into the college social scene can be one of the hardest things to do if you are a transfer or grad student without any Greek Life connections.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

I am not in Atlanta, I am in a college town that gets a lot of college kids who are from the Atlanta area.

Even though I did focus somewhat on small talk with women, I mainly aimed towards making friends with guys in the local area such as bartenders, door guys at bars, and other guys but it hasn't worked out. In other areas I've lived in I have made good male friends through socializing and if I chatted with someone in public, they would call me to an event to give it a go.

I have difficulties finding activities to meet people with in my area. It seems like for all of them, you need to have friends willing to go with you and I don't have that going for me.

Then I tried to find work as maybe somewhere in the bar scene but they all say they prefer to hire guys from fraternities.

The few groups I do get involved in consist of townies who are old married people and religious people like I mentioned in the OP. The times I do cold approach I get absolutely destroyed, something I was not used to in other areas of the south. Georgia is a different beast indeed.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

You guys can post while you're on ecstasy if you want but at best, it is going to be a temporary feel good "you can do anything you set your mind to" post. At worst, you're going to get OP seriously hurt or killed by giving him terrible advice.

You say that you're the only person that is qualified on this thread to give advice, yet you have given no such help in any way shape or form.

He did give advice earlier in the thread and the state is exactly how he described. Lots of people get married very young and a lot revolves around the church. I was never religious myself but I have started going. Even then, it has not been that helpful to my goal of meeting girls or pickup. Lots of the "sex is unholy" type of stuff going on.

I've even tried Tinder and other dating apps but man, the quality of women outside of the college campus is hideous. I am talking 300 lb women and tons of ghetto trashy types.

Anatman gave solid advice as well and this is how I operated back in college but I am having such a rough time forming a social circle here. The fraternity guys here that are having success, they aren't too open to making friends with outsiders at all. I was in a fraternity back at my undergrad and we had older/grad student guys that were good with the brothers and managed to score that way but not happening here at all.

Would love to hear from a few Georgia residents themselves but Pro described the state down to a tee. Was such a bad decision coming here for grad school........

 

[Zoro]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

The problem with the PUA nonsense and "mindset" crap you people are spewing is that it ignores the actual problem.

The actual problem is the unwillingness to adapt.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

NVM, I too thought that OP was in Atlanta but OP is likely in Athens. I've been there and had a family member that went to school there, guys, OP in this case has a very legitimate excuse and I know exactly what might be going on. Let me lay out how things generally are there and how they work:

You have a lot of bars and majority of the bars are full of people in Greek Life. Each bar is meant to attract certain fraternities to come to that bar and certain sororities they are with to spend time with them there. Sorority girls go to these bars to spend time with fraternity guys in that given fraternity. If you try to score that way, you won't have any luck at all. The bars themselves also hire guys from certain fraternities when it comes to employment.

As for actually mixing with the Greek crowd there like Anatman mentioned, forget about it. My relative was in a fraternity there himself and he even told me that after sophomore years, you would not even be considered for a bid and for the higher status houses that had the hot girls in them? Even sophomore year was a stretch. If you are a grad student attempting to mingle with the Greek crowd or just about any of the fun crowds of undergraduates there, people will see you as "too old" and wonder why you are mingling with them. The people of Georgia are highly traditional, much more so than anyone on here might be used to. Even me not being married past the age of 25 comes off as very odd to them.

Not saying it is impossible to get sorority girls but you are up against quite an uphill battle if you want to make friends with some of the fraternity brothers there, they are not welcoming at all to anyone who is "older" and trying to be a part of their crowd in any way like Anatman talked about.

Certain bars are intended for grad students but there are very few of them in general. The quality of girls also goes down dramatically once you enter these bars, a lot of the girls are grad students and some of them "townies" so you might not be getting the girls of the quality you were used to in undergrad. Now these bars might be the best places for you to have some luck.

I promise you that this place is absolutely nothing like Tempe, Madison, or some of the more laid back college towns.

So what is your best bet?

Go to the bars where the grad students go and find some grad school girls or the odd townie who is down. I will warn you though, the quality (looks) is much lower than that of your typical college girl. Remember, compared to some of the other southern states, Georgia isn't exactly known for having good looking women to begin with (obesity rates are some of the highest in the country and it also has quite a trashy population). If you find a girl that is relatively cute, chat her up at one of the grown up bars and go from there.

Other than that, get whatever requirement you need to get done out of the way and leave! Most of these people have no fucking idea of what they're talking about, I've experienced the traditional Georgia life through family and I can tell you that this kind of shit matters a lot.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

Proactivity,

Yes dude, it's Athens! I go downtown as much as I can and dude, I have to admit, the quality is fucking awful here compared to what I am used to in other southern towns. Back when I visited in 2009 it was amazing but now it has gone way way downhill, lots of others share the same sentiment. You're right, making friends with the fraternity brothers here is tough as hell. I've tried to chat up bouncers and bartenders, they're much more hostile and rude than in other areas.

This place is pretty fucking depressing compared to other places in the south, wonder what happened.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

Saw this on reddit but look at the responses, I knew something was up! I regularly read seddit for quality material and I have never seen any state in the USA get as much flak as Georgia has.

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comm ... h_georgia/

Dude I live in Buckhead (Atlanta) and used to frequent Athens. They are basically the same place, with Buckhead basically being a 5 year extension of college.

Every single girl that knows they're even remotely good looking is going to live it up because she has the ultimate selection of guys at her will. Georgia girls tread through the regular dudes and pick one outstanding guy, usually based on looks, and go with that. I've noticed many of them look for dating and relationships, but they are very picky.

Long story short, this isn't anything new, and on behalf of the state of Georgia I'm sorry our women act like this. I actually went to Georgia Southern and it is a bit better down there, but not by a whole lot.

Keep your chin up and stick to some of the older tricks such as negging and playing off as badass. Lots of alpha-females in Athens that need an alphamale to bring them back down to earth. I'm the furthest from an alphamale but if you at least be confident enough to pretend to be, then it shows off.

I've been in Atlanta for a little while. Spent a weekend in Athens as well. Many girls here are similar to the northern girls I was used to from Mass. Less playful in general, less likely to put up with game. I speculate that it's from the city having a lot of imports. Athens and Atlanta don't seem like other southern places since a lot of the population isn't from there. You meet the southern comfort kinda girl every so often but mainly run into cold shoulders. Frame interactions to make her feel uncomfortable with the way she's acting. A playfully toned "well you're a pleasant one" or "I must really come off as jackass" disarms them. Gauge the situation but remember to stay playful and not bitter about her reactions. She'll more often than not follow suit or start to hate you. Both will work

I've lived in Georgia most of my life and I agree with you. When I lived in Florida it was such a relaxed and easy atmosphere to approach women. In Georgia, forget it. I've had a different experience than you though. I see beautiful women going for guys who come from old money regardless of their looks, intelligence, and personality. Blows my mind. I can't compete but it doesn't bother me. Living in Savannah now and the atmosphere is different. You have a lot of transplants. Everyone is easy going.

I graduated from UGA a few years ago, had some of the best years of life as a student during that them, and have visited the town a few times so I wanted to weigh in on this.

Georgia gets most of its students from the suburban Atlanta area and those areas have changed, a lot of people from places like California and the Northeast have moved there. The admissions standards have also gone way up compared to recent years, you need at least a 3.8 with a 1300 on the Math + Reading scale of the SAT in order to be competitive these days. You get a lot of people that aren't Georgia natives going to UGA these days so it is not rare for your typical sorority sister to be from Maryland or New Jersey instead of a southern states, girls from up north are a lot more rude. Anyone that has been to Athens recently is also aware of how big the hipster scene has become in the city, it is due to transplants from other areas. The hipster kids are judgmental and rude to people outside of their social circles.

I'll always miss Georgia back in the Stafford days and earlier when the girls were much hotter, people much nicer, and the atmosphere a lot friendlier. Athens was a hidden gem during those days and the girls were not only attractive, but also approachable and kind. The school is trying to be more respectable academically which means that admission standards will be raised to sky high levels. A lot of the northern kids will do better in school which means they are the ones getting into UGA. Most of your Georgia born and bred girls that are hot but not bright enough to get into UGA usually end up going to Southern, Ole Miss, or GCSU.

What you're experiencing is a new Athens which is a shadow of its former self, I'll always miss the Stafford days because the quality of girls and people in the place has gone way down since then.

Check out this burn here!

Don't meant to bump an old post, but I had to chime in on this. I have lived in Florida, NJ, and the Marietta area of Georgia, and from my experience I can tell you it is most definitely Georgia. People were so much nicer in Florida, and people were rude in Jersey, yes, but at least they wouldn't act snobbish and not even give you a chance or shun you. I think Georgia is the place they go when they couldn't make it in their home state, so they come to GA and figure they can act cocky and however they want. Kind of like when a really average/bad player on the Yankees gets traded to another team, an then said teams announcers glorify him just because he was on the Yankees, then he gets a big ego an thinks he's the best, even though he was probably one of the worst players on the Yankees. But anyway some areas of Georgia are good, it is a beautiful state, but in my experience the Marietta/Atlanta area had mostly snobbish hipsters and fake rude people who think they are better than others. But everyone has a different opinion and experience, that's just mine. Good luck though, I hope it works out for you in Athens eventually.

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comm ... ransplant/

“Keep Your Hands To Yourself” by Georgia Satellites, aside from being a great song, is pretty much documentary audio of life in Georgia. It is extremely hard to get any action, even in a relatively liberal town like Athens.

EDIT: The fact that you're Hispanic doesn't have anything to do with it. The “bitch shield” is not your imagination, that's totally normal in Georgia. Glad I left the place honestly.

Here is a key piece of advice from a fraternity brother there though:

So being in a frat here at UGA maybe I can give another perspective. It's definitely true that the vast majority of attractive girls are going to be in sororities and they mostly want to hookup/chill with guys in fraternities. There are alot of guys who come up to downtown Athens from all over the state/other states and the sorority girls dont necessarily want to hookup with them if they are from out of town. Seeing greek letters on a guy is a way of knowing for sure that they live in town. That being said there are also plenty of attractive girls that rushed srats and hated them so they dropped and focus on more important things. And the interesting attractive girls that were never interested in greek life. Those are the girls you probably have the highest chances with IMO. The bars downtown each have a unique crowd. Some are almost purely for greek life as the owners are frat alum and hire freshmen in the frat for doormen and bartenders. Bars known as being affiliated with fraternities get the higher crowds and more date nights which gives them more revenue. They arent trying to be dicks its simply business. There are other bars that arent completely centered around greek life. Looks like you got unlucky making friends with some super religious guys. I would try and meet some guys that have experience going DT. It's much easier to pick up girls at bars with a group of buddies than it is by yourself just because most girls go DT with a group rather than by themselves. Yeah the south in general is fat as shit. The female students at UGA though are generally very attractive. Not too many attractive girls are going to be on tinder since the nightlife here is incredible. Being from California is definitely something girls would be interested in as some of them have only known GA and the south. It's absolutely not impossible to get laid you just have to find the right bars and girls to go after to improve your chances of success. Hope this came across as helpful as that's what I intended.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

One of the most highly upvoted comments on this reddit post brought me back to Girlchase because it reminded me of this thread, seems like you're surely not alone OP.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... es/d1yvodo

Former Georgia resident here who went to school in Athens and then lived in Atlanta shortly after. I am so glad I moved out of Georgia when I did. Mostly all of the good looking girls there prefer to go for a guy who either had fraternity connections in college or was a former athlete (usually football player) in those days. That and compared to women in other states, the women of Georgia aren't really that attractive, Marla Maples is an outlier.
Location is just so huge in all of this, especially when it comes to women and dating. If you're a fit guy with no major personality/social defects (autism or aspergers) and have a decent salary, yet you're still having a lot of problems where you live, it might be time to move. It doesn't get brought up much with dating advice but location is huge.

It also seems to be a particularly bad place for guys who want to date white girls:

I think that Georgia is the best state in the entire country for guys who like black women, the quality of black women in the state is the best I have ever seen in the country. That being said, if you're into white girls, I would not recommend Georgia at all. Florida, Tennessee, and South Carolina are far superior southern states in that regard.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

^^^^^

I thought I was literally the only one for a second. Looks like quite a few people hold that opinion, maybe the guys on here who feel the need to give generic motivational advice should stay in Georgia themselves and see how they fare, run some game in Athens and then talk to me.

So just last night I went out to try and game in downtown Athens, even went out on July 4th as well. I heard that in the summer months, especially during thru sessions, the place is more calm downtown and gender ratios mean more girls than guys. At one of the bars there is a long line and I try to make small talk with a guy right in front of me in line, he was out with his friends and simply turned around and told me "dude, shut the fuck up!". All I did was comment on how long the line was at the bar and asked him if he knew what special event was going on. Even in New Jersey we would call that shit rude....

I get into the bar and it is the same as usual, lots of fat girls and ugly girls but a handful of cute ones. Most of the cute ones were surrounded by a group of guys and in large groups but I saw a couple of them standing alone. I went to go talk to a couple of the cute girls and I have to say, I had a few decent responses and managed to get a number of one, date coming up on Saturday as I've been texting with her. The girl is temporarily here from Washington (the state) and said she finds the place kinda lackluster, we chatted about them. Then I hopped over to a few other bars and the same issue, little to no cute girls and lots of hideous ones. The few cute ones I saw were practically surrounded by a group mixed of guys and girls but again, there are just fewer cute girls in Athens than other college towns.

The opportunities were just not there as much as I am used to in other areas, it was rare to see girls with anything other than their tight knit social circles being engaged in a convo.

One other issues I run into compared to other places is that the bartenders, bouncers, and guys working at the are rarely as social and friendly. In most places I've been to, you can have a good convo with the workers at the venue but not so much in Athens. It's like the bizarro world of SEC college towns, there are so many hipsters, feminists, and SJWs everywhere.

Then I headed to go eat at a famous restaurant in town and man was that a huge let-down.

First, the order takes about an hour (it was a fucking cheeseburger!) and the staff is rude as fuck. If that was not bad enough, they mix up my order and after I tell them that, they simply give me an attitude, roll their eyes, and then give me the cheeseburger with a frown on their face.

While I do think it is possible to score here (though a lot harder than elsewhere), the town probably has some of the most rude, arrogant, confrontational, and unpleasant people I've ever met in any area....

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Southerners on Girlschsae, wtf is the deal with Georgia and its people/girls

lol I hope you guys got to watch the superbowl