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FR+  spontaneous date/LMR in the car--LMR recovery help?

PatriotsRule

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Hey guys,

On the way out of work (hungover all day pumped to go sleep) i run into one of the ladies (43 yo brunette milf who shows signs of interest that i like to flirt and play along with in the office) who invites me to after work thirsty thirsday drinks across the street. I give her a sexy smile and a "maybe ill see you there", go run an errand and then meet them there (four older ladies 40's and 50's including flirtymilf, and flirtymilfs daughter (lets call her katie)who just turned 21 a few days ago. Interesting group yes, i know. Older women love me haha)

So i sit down at their table with them and they already have drinks and are gossiping away. I order a beer and sit back listening, talking, flirting with everyone at the table, they love me. Lots of teasing, theyre asking me questions, deep diving and joking blahdy blah usual stuff. Im sitting next to milf, and katies on the other side of her. I especially focus on flirting with the two of them, and i swear the dynamic was a mother daughter competition for me it was pretty fun. Anyway at one point one of the ladies throws this out there

Lady: do you have a girlfriend?
Me: nope (said confidently)
Lady: katie, do you have a boyfriend?
Katie: yeah, i do... (Obvious lie. I find this hilarious.)

Anyway, on and on we go. When i flirt with katie, she shows signs of interest. When i flirt with her mother, milf loves it, and katie gives a lot of "stawwwp omggg!" Type of reactions. I take this as an invitation to keep pushing it.

After three drinks, we get to talking about going somewhere else next, and katie damn near jumps out her seat to say "lets go somewhere next!" She is totally down to go out for more drinks. i pretty much feel that i can play it cool from here and have it in the bag. So the older ladies leave and i take katie with me to the next bar

We sit down to eat some chinese and drink, we flirt, talk, deep dive, nothing overly out of the ordinary but we are vibing the whole time. Through the interaction i brush her hair out of her face, stroke her cheek, casual and contextual with the conversation with each touch and i get away with all of them.

Then go to a sports bar and we sit down at stools next to each other. I sit really close to her so that my knee is in between her two legs. After a minute i put my hand on her leg and leave it there. She doesnt give a single sign of acknowledgement that i did this, which to me means home run. At one point she mentions she wants a bigger ass and so, as i do anytime a girl mentions her own ass, i tell her to give me a spin so i can look. She likes this. Eventually we decide to head out so we leave.

I get in the drivers side of car, she gets in passenger. As soon as we get in the car and close the door...MANHANDLE KISS. Bam done no problem, no resistance. We kiss for a while, then find somewhere more secluded to park. Were hooking up in the car, kissing, biting, i pull her shirt down and kiss her tits, take her pants off down to her knees (knee high boots...fuck). I finger her and take my own pants off, fool around some more, but she then drops "i dont fuck on the first date". I brush it off and keep fooling around. She says it again as it gets heavier again. I persist a bit ("yeah sure, thats what they all say", other stuff like that) but eventually give up. We put our pants back on and drive her home. She is rubbing my muscles and biting and kissing my neck and face as we drive. I pull into her house to drop her off, we make out a bit more before she goes. She says "thank you" three times between kissing, to which i just smile and say nothing each time. I hold my phone up to her without saying anything and she puts her number in. Then she leaves after some more making out.

I drive home, about a half hour i drop her off i send "Hey there Katie...its [Me]. Save my number!" She does not respond. I eat and go to bed.


I know this FR is sloppy but i just wanted to jot something down quickly. What do you guys think? Im especially curious with what you think about that LMR. I really wish i kept persisting til we fucked but oh well. I also really wanted a bj on the drive back to her place. Should i have just asked? I didnt ask. I want to see her again this weekend (preferably tonight). Too soon? How to go about asking, in terms of timing? I work til late on friday nights so would it be risky to hit her up if im out of work late, like 10 or 11? Or should i text her around now/late afternoon? All comments/criticisms welcome.

Thanks for reading and responding. Have a great day.
 

Franco

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PR,

I drive home, about a half hour i drop her off i send "Hey there Katie...its [Me]. Save my number!" She does not respond. I eat and go to bed.

I think you missed a big opportunity to go home with her here and finish the job. She definitely was interested in escalating things with you, and while you probably could have overcome her LMR in the car with suave persistence, I think going into her home would have given you a great opportunity to finish the job.

Anyway, I know this is a late response, but you can probably still close with this girl by trying to get her out again in a 1-on-1 scenario and then inviting her home (if you haven't already done that).

Cheers,

Franco
 

PatriotsRule

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Thanks for the response, should have definitely asked to go in, her mom (my coworker) was home though so i wonder if shed have said no. Either way yeah too late. She sent me this when i asked her for a drink the next day too

"Hey I don't think that's a good idea. Im sorry if I gave you the impression that I want anything more than a casual friendship. I think its best that it remains just a simple work relationship so that everyone is comfortable and gets along."

F. Oh well ill see if i get another chance at this one sometime
 

Franco

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PR,

It sounds like you'll also want to work on overcoming LMR. Things such as "yeah sure, thats what they all say" are actually terrible things to say to her when you're persisting. It's not just about saying things until she finally gives up; it's about addressing her logical/emotional dilemmas with emotional or indirect responses that address whatever her fears are (moving too fast, looking like a slut, wondering what you'll think of her the next day, etc.) or bypassing them all together.

There's plenty of good articles on the site for handling LMR. I'll link you to some of them here in case you haven't checked them out yet:


Enjoy. =)

- Franco
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Marty

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Franco:

Can you explain how these two things can happen with the same girl?

PatriotsRule said:
kissing, biting, i pull her shirt down and kiss her tits, take her pants off down to her knees
PatriotsRule said:
I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I want anything more than a casual friendship.
Those seem so totally mutually contradictory that it ties my head in knots.

If you understand this, Franco, would you be kind enough to impart that knowledge... I think so long as I remain puzzled over this whole issue, it's gonna hold my progress back. How can she possibly see PR in two different lights simultaneously? (Other girls seem to do this too.)

Thanks
-Marty
 

Franco

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Marty,

Those seem so totally mutually contradictory that it ties my head in knots.

You're taking her words at face value. I will re-iterate this until the day I die (or at least as long as I'm on these boards!): we don't listen to what women say -- we only listen to their actions.

The simple matter of the fact here is that this girl was excited by PR and was very much ready to sleep with him. However, PR likely didn't handle the LMR the best way possible and address all of the concerns she might have had with having sex with him then and there in the car. As a result, she decided she didn't want to sleep with him, and then she came up with something sensible (and reputation-protecting) that she could send to him to let him know that she wasn't interested in becoming sexual with him.

It could have been because she sensed he wasn't going to treat her well, or it could have been because the encounter became too "logical" and less "emotional" resulting in her not being turned on enough to complete the task, or maybe it was because she suddenly worried about what PR's co-workers would think if they were to find out. Either way, it's evident that her words mean nothing but the sentiment behind her words -- keeping things as a casual friendship -- explains that her logical mind decided that having sex with him is not the best course of action.

So, in summary, she doesn't see PR simultaneously in two different lights; she saw him as a possibility in one light, and then removed that possibility once her logical mind took over her emotional mind and decided that that light she was hoping to see him in did not play out the way she had imagined it.

- Franco
 
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