Sticky point - At home: from couch to bed

[lux7]

it’s been 4 times recently that I take a girl home and fail to move from couch to bed.

Each time taken separately I don’t mind too much, but 4 is not so pleasurable .

BACKGROUND
All the times I went to a park, sitting on the grass with a beautiful view with a bottle of wine. Usually many people are there.
Conversation has been good most of the times.
I do touch the girl, but not overtly sexual and I don't get too close and I don’t kiss before we get home (and ho hand holding).
I never had to insist too much to get home, and I don’t think they thought of me as just a friend.

3 I brought home on the first date, 1 one the second as she was very cautious/scared around strangers and had class the day after.

AT HOME
I start kissing quite early on the couch.
The kiss is either accepted at first try (3 cases) or after a couple of tries (1 case).
Since it’s the first time we are so physically close together and it can seem a bit pushed, I keep the conversation going after the kiss as if it were no big deal.
And then I go at it again. Usually no strong make out comes out, but I do have my arm around them, touch their belly, touch their boobs.
This can last around 15-20 minutes with me intermittently going for the kiss.
Then, I say I’d like to go to the bed and stand up.

Reactions:
1 we were at our second date, she said no and that she had to catch her last metro (true), I will meet this one again;

1 didn’t want to, also commented how did I have the courage to ask for that. She said she “knew my type” and how classical for people from my Country, asked how many girls did I bring home etc. etc. (this one I will not see anymore, wasn’t sexually receptive and I think she reminds me as a creepy guy after having moved so fast on a physical level);

1 was very inexperienced, was closing her body crossing her arms almost as if she wanted to fend off an attack, she had a BF but didn’t tell me about it (I think she was too into me to give up on the chance of being together);

1, this evening, stood up and followed me, but then chickened out before bed and fumbled nervously she couldn't and had to go (she had a BF).
I think an issue was that she was completely dressed, maybe I should have made out with her while standing and started removing clothes (my idea was hugging/touching/kissing on the bed and start removing);




YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE!

 

[lux7]

Please don’t read this before you have already thought/given some answers or my opinion will affect yours and you will not be able to add a different point of view .

ISSUES
Partially I have some ideas about what my issues might be:

1. Buying temperature was not enough from them
I might pause too long from kisses and talk too much to “make it sound natural” and to make her horny with my coolness rather than my prolonged touch.
it worked well in some cases, but some other times I might have to shorten and escalate more strongly, indeed I rarely move to strong sexual escalation on the couch as I plan to do that on the bed.


2. Buying temperature was not there from my side
My will wasn’t super strong.

I live with flatmates and I do give some thoughts that the longer the girl stays in my room, the less the girl on the other hand of the wall will sleep.

I wasn't too much on a sexual mood either. Just kissing and touching a bit without facing each other wasn't making me super horny.
Also:
One had some breath issues after the wine (I would have done her, but that was a big turnoff);
One I was pretty sure I was going to see her again and I knew she had to leave;
One was putting up strong resistances, I wasn’t too much really into her and I was pretty sure she was very much into me and would have happened anyway;
One I thought just wasn’t too into me and I didn’t insist too much for her not to call the taxi (we agreed the taxi would come 20 mins later).

 

[lux7]

Anyone?

What do you guys think of not kissing at all before home (I know I know, different situations different actions, but in general.. )?

I know of some guys that give a pecker on the lips as soon as they meet.
It could actually be good to kick start an atmosphere of relax and destroying the barriers right away...

 

[Franco]

This post has been moved to "Beginners."

- Franco

 

[HalfGuard]

I think that you are shocking them by not making a smooth transition , you haven't even maked out with her and you are asking them to go to bed just like that , I would advise to take them straight to you room ( seed something beforehand that you want to show them ) so you don't have to break the flow by telling them to move , but if you want to take them from the couch to the bed I would first make out heavily , and after they have lost their pants I would lift them and take them to bed or just take them in the couch , but my better advice will be to take them to the room before starting out with the kissing

 

[lux7]

This post has been moved to "Beginners."

- Franco

Now this is embarrassing and insulting to my manhood
Kidding, I thought the "beginner" area was more for meeting/how to dress etc.

I think that you are shocking them by not making a smooth transition , you haven't even maked out with her and you are asking them to go to bed just like that , I would advise to take them straight to you room ( seed something beforehand that you want to show them ) so you don't have to break the flow by telling them to move , but if you want to take them from the couch to the bed I would first make out heavily , and after they have lost their pants I would lift them and take them to bed or just take them in the couch , but my better advice will be to take them to the room before starting out with the kissing

Hmm the couch I'm talking about is in my bedroom actually, my bad I should have specified that.
But the "breaking the flow" could be a good point in the sense that it could seem a bit too much of a jump..