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Michaelrng

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First of all hi, I'm new here and sorry for dumping my problems here, but I'm hoping to get some advice. So I think I'm stuck with this girl I just met and I don't know how to fix it. I'll keep it as short as possible, but it's still a small story I suppose. Sorry. Any tips would be much appreciated though!

I was in a bar with some friends and I ended up talking to this girl. After a while of talking and flirting I end up kissing her. I get her number and we spend the last part of the night talking, dancing, kissing, etc. When the night is over I offer to walk her home safely. She declines, but reminds me she doesn't have my number yet. She threatens (in a cute way) to kick my ass next time she finds me in a bar if I don't call or text her the next day.

So the next day I decide to send her a text so she'll have my number too, and to see if she is actually interrested. We text some more and the day after that I ask her if she'd like to grab a drink or a bite to eat that weekend. She says she's up for either so I think to myself f@#$ it, let's make it a dinnerdate.
I take her out to a restaurant the next day and we have a nice date. I'm sure it wasn't the best date in history or something, as I admit I was a bit nervous, but we definitely had a good time.
She told me she had been looking forward to it ever since I asked, so I took that to be a good sign. During a small silent moment she caught me looking at her, and I told her it was because she looked really nice. She got really shy and told me not to say that, so I decided not to flirt too much after that (figured I was coming off a bit too strong there).

By the end of the date she starts yawning (we had a late reservation) so I ask for the check. We split the bill 60/40 (she already had her wallet out) and I made sure I paid more. I said I was ok with her paying some since its 2015 and all. When we headed out I thought I could tell she just wanted to go home (could have misread there, but doubt it). I'm thinking I can't let it end on an awkward goodbye so I kiss her. She kisses me back, but still doesn't want me to walk her home even when I say it's just till the front door.

After being home for a little while I send her a text saying I had a good time etc. Maybe I should have waited for her to do that first, but she replied she ran into a neighbour and that she got home safe. Nothing like she had a great time or something like that though.

Next day I add her on facebook since she told me on our date that she looked me up but couldn't see any pictures (friends-only etc.). Probably mistake number two since I also told her I don't really use facebook anymore (hence the lack of photo's available to non-friends). I get bored later that night so I text her again, but I pretty much only get replies like "hahaha" and so on (she told me the next day she was visiting her parents). I decided this wasnt my smoothest work, so next morning I text her like.. good morning, sleep well? do anything last night?
So she replied, but it wasn't much I could go on, besides I was at work so couldn't focus fully. Maybe I should have kept a conversation going or maybe I shouldn't have texted her at all, I don't know. I decided not to keep asking questions since I already felt like I'd been pushing too much and she didnt seem as excited to talk to me as before the date.

3 days later (radio silence till then) I ask her how it's going. She replies a couple of hours later that she is fine but not great and will text me that night. She didn't.
Next day she texts me that she's been under a lot of stress and having bad headaches and doctors orders are to take it easy for a while. I decide to send a sweet, albeit slightly long, text wishing her well, that if she needs a distraction I'm up for it and that I really wanted to get to know her better, but not pressure. I get a relatively short reply saying it's mostly due to work and that she'll just have to ride this out.

I figure no problem, probably better to leave it alone for now and this way my last text to her was a considerate one.

That night, I went to grab a drink with my buddies and I end up running into her at the same bar again. I decided to play it cool, say hi and ask her how she was. I told her she didn't have to explain anything and wished her a good night. A short while later we were heading out and I ran into her again. There was some eye contact with a slight smile on her face and I just smiled back and winked and went on my way. I was kinda hoping to get a text from her later that night but I didn't hear anything from her.

4 days later and still nothing. I didn't want to pressure her further and was hoping she'd me herself so I'd know she was still into me.

I don't wanna chase her or push her away as she seemed to be a nice girl (unless it turns out she was not sincere about not feeling well, seeing as she was able to go out anyway). Maybe I came on too strong after the date, maybe even desperate, I don't know.

Do I wait? If so, how long?
Do I make a move, or will that ruin my chances?
 

NarrowJ

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Hey Michael,

My read on this one is that it is a value-related problem. You started chasing her, instead of framing yourself as the prize and thus now she's assessed you as lower in value than her.

Her not even letting you walk her home is pretty damning evidence that she has no plans to do anything physical with you more than a couple smooches. She's not even allowing you to get far enough that she would put up last minute resistance to sex to test you further or make you invest more. When a girl doesn't even allow you to put in some simple investment, that's pretty much a death knell. It sucks, but it happens to all guys.

She's returning text messages in a way that tells me she's just trying to let you down easy since you guys obviously have mutual friends and things, she doesn't want it to get messy in that regard. Also, telling you she wasn't feeling good and then out at the bar. You basically rewarded her for this bad behavior by telling her it was fine and the smile/wink combo. The girl can lie / do whatever she wants and you'll still like her. Big value-killer there.

When it comes to dating, women are the "choosers", so for men it is a numbers game. You have to meet as many women as possible to increase the number of ones that do "choose" you. So, go meet more girls and I can guarantee that you'll eventually find one that's even better than her. Just make sure next time to use some chase framing and paint yourself as the prize, and don't do things that kill your value (like chasing and rewarding bad behavior).

Unfortunately, the only way to turn this one around is to find a way to get preselection in front of her, and make her realize she might have cast you aside prematurely. Give her reason to reconsider her value assessment of you.


J.J.
 

Michaelrng

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Hello J.J.,

Thanks for your reply. We actually don't have any mutual friends, but it might be to avoid an awkward situation in a bar she knows we'll both be visiting in the future. I feel like you are right about it being a value-related problem, and I probably shouldn't have started chasing her. Oh well.

On the smile/wink combo though, what do you think would have been a better alternative? I did it simply because I wanted to play it cool and not come across as needy or anything, so I'm interested in what I could have done differently there as I didn't see that one coming. My own guess would be, I should have just let her start explaining what was going on? (even if it was a lie). But then again, if she had no real interest I might be better off this way and not waste more effort.
 
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