Success Rate?

[Man-O]

I'd like an idea of what ppl's success rate when it comes to setting up dates, lays etc., particularly from the admins and more skilled ppl here.
Why? I find the info useful to see where my own miserable standing lies and to know when I'm nearing some success rate that's decent. Problem is I don't know what's decent and might get clues from this, even if ppl aren't 100% honest and it only has to be approximately

Plz use this format:

[b]% dates from numbers:[/b]
[b]% lays from dates:[/b]
[b]% onl's:[/b]
[b]Amount of numbers pr. time when gaming:[/b]
[b]Daygame or Nightgame?:[/b]

Me
% dates from numbers: 2.5
% lays from dates: 0
Number of onl's: 1
Amount of numbers pr. time when gaming: A bit over one. Best so far was 3 n-closes in one night.
Daygame or Nightgame?: I do Nightgame only so far.

 

[ILoveElla]

I'd like an idea of what ppl's success rate when it comes to setting up dates, lays etc., particularly from the admins and more skilled ppl here.
Why? I find the info useful to see where my own miserable standing lies and to know when I'm nearing some success rate that's decent. Problem is I don't know what's decent and might get clues from this, even if ppl aren't 100% honest and it only has to be approximately

Plz use this format:

[b]% dates from numbers:[/b]
[b]% lays from dates:[/b]
[b]% onl's:[/b]
[b]Amount of numbers pr. time when gaming:[/b]
[b]Daygame or Nightgame?:[/b]

Me
% dates from numbers: 2.5
% lays from dates: 0
Number of onl's: 1
Amount of numbers pr. time when gaming: A bit over one. Best so far was 3 n-closes in one night.
Daygame or Nightgame?: I do Nightgame only so far.

It mightn't be what you want to hear. Looking at things from a statistical point of view is where your attitude is all wrong. I mean just stop and think, what would a girl think if she knew you were keeping stats? Statistics can give you the impression that you may be better/worse than what you actually are. You should know in yourself if you've performed well, or improved in general.

Never got laid from a date though. Any time I've gotten any are under night club/party circumstances where alcohol is involved on her part. I'm in love with the idea of successfully wooing a gal into my bed without alcohol, and really feeling like I've earned it through successful manipulation. Any time I've tried that, I never get far. I also need experience with last minute resistance from a girl. I've never had to overcome that, but if I did, I don't know if I'd be able to handle it.

 

[Drck]

You can't realy compare "success rate" because there is much more to it.

Say there is 100 girls out there. Only 3 of them are horny, e.g. willing to sleep with you with low effort, and 7 are someow undecided, perhaps they would sleep with a guy who knows what is he doing.

So, Guy A has absolutelly no knowledge about seduction, he just goes out looking for a GF, randomly meets those 100 girls, perhaps meets them online, and somehow he talks to all of them. He gets rejected many times, but he keeps looking till he reaches 100 girls. If he meets a new girl every three days, it might take him the whole year to find GF. Maybe then he finds a girl and he gets laid after couple of dates. His success rate is 1/100, or 1% and it took him a year. He's got a GF now and is not looking for more girls. He doesn't feel miserable, he feels great.

Guy B just opened GC site and reads couple articles. He knows he's got to approach. But he doesn't really have many skills, and he is really shy, inexperienced. But he's got the balls, so he goes out and talks to 100 women. He actively approaches about 5 girls every day or so. Because he's got low skills (but doing something and pushing for sex), his success rate is 3/100 (those 3 horny girls), or 3%. It took him 3-4 weeks to get laid with those 3 girls, and he's got 2 more interested in him. Maybe he'll get them next month. But he feels miserable because he excerted a lot of effor and time, he is not happy with himself.

Guy C is quite skilled, he knows a lot and is experienced. He can "read" girls well, he knows what to look for. Right there he eliminates 50 girls because he knows they are not interested, just by looking at them he knows that there is no way they will have sex with him. Maybe he walks around the other 50 girls, and sees that some of them show some interest. So he talks to them, but quickly eliminates another 30 girls because he sees that the interest is not high enough and that he would most likely be wasting lots of effort. So he's left with 20 now. He talks more, perhaps asks for their numbers. Just the way they handle him the number and the way they talk, he can now deffer that some of them are not that interested, so he doesn't even bother to invite them for a date, or just texts them knowing that some girls won't even bother to reply. So now he's left with say 12 girls who will really go for a date with him. 12 girls = 12 days. 6 of them will sleep with him on a first date because he's got good skills. 2 more sleep with him on second and third date, and he could maybe get 2 more girls on subsequent dates, if he waits long enough. So that is 8-10 girls he could sleep with (out of original 100). He is not happy nor misearable. The girls are just there, some of them are open and others not. Why bother with those who are closed? Why capitalize on all of those girls that are open? Who really cares, maybe today, maybe next week, maybe never...

How long does it take him to "meet" those 100 girls? It depends on his activity, what he does and where he goes. Maybe one week, maybe two months. He doesn't really "meet" all 100 girls though, he only focuses on those who show enough interest...

BUT, it all depends how you look at it. If you count these 8-10 girls that he slept with out of the original 100, it is only 8-10% success rate. Since he eliminated 50 girls just by "reading" them and not even bothering to talk to them, his success doubles: 16-20% (8-10 girls out of 50). If he doesn't count girls he just talked to but found them not being attracted enough (those 30 he eliminated by seeing that they are not intersted enough), his success rate is even higher: now we are talking about 8-10 girls out of 20, so about 50%. That is a big success, huge success.

Also note that Guy C is not really approaching actively. He does much less work than the other two guys above. So, in fact Guy B can get 3 girls with maximum effort, and guy C can get the same or higher number of girls with "no effort" at all. The success of Guy C is not in approaching. He doesn't approach at all. His success is in eliminating girls with low interest and acting in those with high interest... At the same time, if he was approaching he could get even more girls...

AND, if Guy C counts only those 12 girls he really went for a date with, his success is very high, perhaps 80%. Does it mean that he is able to sleep with 80 out of any 100 girls? Nope, no way. It just means he is able to capitalize on girls that he recognized as having high interest in him...

So, you can't really just take the numbers and plug them into a formula, that is quite misleading. If a guy has good experience he will simply focus only on girls that are showing true potential to get laid, and he will simply walk away from those who don't show much interest. Another thing, if the girl shows good potential/interest, you don't really need that many seduction skills. You just let it "flow" naturally because she is simply interested in you and she is excerting enough efort on her own...

 

[Man-O]

Hehe, it was actually a hope for the more experienced ppl to type here since I find a lot of ppl saying they're skilled but I was curious to know what lvl "skilled" is, and I find success rate a very important factor in that matter. It gets even worse with a lot of the PUA's out there saying stuff about how ez it is picking up girls but you never see how many flakes they have, nor dates that end out with nothing. Particularly the american PUA sites are advertising themselves with huge success rate but they never have anything to back it up with.

Statistics are statistics. A skilled player being able to see which girls are horny and so getting higher success rate doesn't change the fact that he has higher success rate than those who approach everything and anything as being able to see which girls are open is also a skill among many others you capitalize on when it comes to seduction.

The format I set up was to make it as easy as possible not making ppl think a lot of weird ways of how to calcualte this. Just plain numbers without much detail.

 

[luego]

I don't have time to go searching for it, but this was in fact done in some form of systematic fashion, over the last year. A few guys tried to set up a report-card type system. I recall Marty being involved, I think. Not sure how deep it went, but there is an extant thread somewhere.

 

[Drck]

What numbers are you actually looking for? Guy A meets 10 girls and he gets laid 2x. Guy B meets 10 girls and he gets laid 7x. Therefore, Guy B is more skilled and better seducer than Guy A, and his success rate is 70%... ??


I'm trying to suggest that you can't just look at numbers like this. For example, what if Guy A is very successful seducer, but he meet those girls on the street, and have only couple of minutes to talk to each of them? What if Guy B is just an average Joe who has no idea about seduction, yet he is just naturally sexy and work with those 10 girls for weeks, months?

The same with skills. Guy A is a guy who read every article on GC 10x, memorized it. He practiced with many girls 2 years, he knows it all about seduction and he has good experience by meeting hundreds of girls. He's got great fundamentals, he learned and developed great vibes with many girls. He moved in a different city and place where he stays is 1.5 hour away from where he meets most girls. He gets laid with 2 out of 10 girls he meets in that city.

Guy B is just a horny MF. He has no clue about seduction at all, he would laugh at GC site, he's naturally aggressive and he's got quite an appetite for girls. He 'just' talks to them naturally, he's friendly with them, touches them, and immediatelly starts pushing for sex, perhaps with help of some alcohol. He doesn't care about fundamentals at all, he doesn't really connect with the girl at all, there are no romantic vibes. All he talks about is just sex. He lives only 5 minutes away from where he meets girls. He gets laid with 4 out of 10 girls he meets.

Does Guy B have better seduction skills than Guy A? I don't think so, but regardless, his success rate is double...

Telling you man, you just can't look at the numbers and get an idea, there is much more to it. Numbers don't lie, true, but they can be easily twisted around...

 

[Man-O]

I'd be in your debt if you can find that Luego.

Telling you man, you just can't look at the numbers and get an idea, there is much more to it. Numbers don't lie, true, but they can be easily twisted around...

I'm aware of that (did state there are many other factors than success rate) but I'm still curious, even if ppl think I'm dumb/childish for bringing it up

I think this topic went sour as I put it too straight forward from the beginning.
Drck, where'd you have the most success rate when it comes to pulls? Daygame or nightgame?

 

[Drck]

Definitely Day Game, I'm totally lost at night! Honestly I know nothing about night game.

Back to "Skills", here is another good thing to consider: with less experience/knowledge, a guy usually limits his focus on one girl only, while at the same time he is missing lots of other opportunities. For example, I met a girl, and I simply liked her much more than other girls that I knew at the same time. While I was after this girl, I was getting hit on by 4-5 other girls (at the same time). These would have been quite easy to bed since their interest was quite high, but I walked away from those girls just because all my focus was on this one girl.

As a matter of fact, I took one of those 5 girls to my place, fairly easy, virtualy no effort at all. Just invited her and she went. It wasn't even any confidence, I simply didn't care if she goes with me or not. She wasn't pretty in her face but she had a really hot body. I wasn't even in the mood for girl, so I just grabbed her tits couple times and wetted my finger little bit, just for the heck of it. She then pulled my pants down and started sucking my dick. I was so emotionaly involved with the one girl though that I din't even get excited. I simply walked away...

Now, you might think, ok he learned and next time he'll nail all of them. But not so, because I see things little bit different. I don't look at sex itself as that important, I place much higher value on emotional involvement, on really good vibes. So next time, should I get into similar situation, I think I would do exactly the same - walk away from those 4-5 girls and focus on the 1 that I feel I really like much more. The thing is, since you are quite emotionally involved with the 1 girl, it is much harder to get her in the bed than those you don't really care much about....

Sometimes it is not just the quantity, but rather the quality that should count, the really good emotional involvement...

Just 2 cents