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Norton

Space Monkey
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Hi guys,

I need your advice on how to move forward from here. Im just going to quickly go though the highlights of the first date to get to my current situation.

Key points of the first date:
- held her hands
- lots of Kino
- payed for her meal even though her offered to
- she mentioned she is having a "one-day" period, which suggest to me sex is off the agenda that night
- told her my plan for the weekend is to inspect some house which i intend to buy, she is keen to come along, but unsure and will get back to me later.
- drove her home. At the closing of the night, we kissed (on the lips), my hands felt the upper part of her body but no sex, because of the period that she mentioned earlier on.

She told me to msg her so she knows I got home safely, which I did. An hour later, we texted a bit more, teasing and joking until we said goodnight.

Next day, I sent her another a needy message saying how much I missed her and want to hold her hands. Asked if she wants to schedule a second date next week and if she coming to the house inspection tomorrow to which she said no to both invitations because she is "busy". Then I replied, "thats ok, have a good rest, baby."

Third day, (1 text message) I messaged her again, saying how I like her laugh and how it brightens my day ect.. (needy text). She didnt reply.

It was at this point that I started to read about PUA stuffs on girlschase and donjuan, because I think something is not right. Looking back, I realised what a beta and needy guy I was.

On the forth day, I went no contact. 9 days later, she finally messaged back, fishing for some validation from me. I continued to ignore her for a full day, then she sent me another text asking if I am upset with her.

May 11, (sent my last needy message)

...after 9 days of radio silence...

May 20, Her: Hi Norton, How r u?

May 21, Her: Hey!! R u upset with me???
(1 hr later)
Me: Hey XXX, Sorry didnt mean to ignore you, just that it has been very busy lately. I bought an apartment in ___ :) hows your schedule like? any free time?
(20mins later)
Her: Good to hear from you :) ya.. I've been busy too :(
(1 hr 10 mins later)
Me: when are you free to go out for a date again? :)

No reply.

My 10-days of no contact effort generated some response from her. But I am not sure if her response is to get some validation from me or her interest level has geniunely gone up, but I think I have come off as being too needy again. I felt I have gone back to square one. How can I salvage this?

From my reading, I did what this website taught me to:
1) Treat disinterest by amplified disinterest through no contact, so we make the girl chase us instead of the other way around
2) Use text to purely to set up another date, not chatting, while keeping it short.
So what did I do wrong here?

What is my next step from here? I am thinking I should not be texting her again until 3 days have passed, if she still dont respond, then I will just send her a casual text to build some rapport (I think the problem is I didnt build enough rapport after all that radio silence, just straight to asking her out for a date), before asking for a second date.
What do you think guys?
 

luego

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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You've self-diagnosed fairly well.

First message was needy. Inviting her to see a house with you was as well, and all the followups were troublesome. She's clearly in the drivers' seat and you're chasing.

She then poked you. And you ignored it, and she invested. This is very good.

The first part of your reply was ok. Still a little supplicative, but not horrible. But then you followed up immediately - within the same text, with a date request.

She just gave you a poke to see if you were still on the hook. You basically replied "yep, still dangling!".

I'm not sure this is salvageable, at least not without a few month type reset. Is there anyway you can physically see her without it being clear chasing?
 

Norton

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luego said:
You've self-diagnosed fairly well.

First message was needy. Inviting her to see a house with you was as well, and all the followups were troublesome. She's clearly in the drivers' seat and you're chasing.

She then poked you. And you ignored it, and she invested. This is very good.

The first part of your reply was ok. Still a little supplicative, but not horrible. But then you followed up immediately - within the same text, with a date request.

She just gave you a poke to see if you were still on the hook. You basically replied "yep, still dangling!".

I'm not sure this is salvageable, at least not without a few month type reset. Is there anyway you can physically see her without it being clear chasing?

Thanks for your speedy reply luego. She works as a waitress in a restaurant.
2 thoughts:
1) I thought we should reply to them as quick as they reply to us? She replied in 30 mins, so I replied in an hour. Apparently, this is still too quick?
2) If I leave it for too long, as you suggested a few months of reset, will she will perceive it as being disinterested and move on?

I could either send her another text message tomorrow (Saturday) saying I will be more free next week, if she is up for Chocolate Souffle at Max Brenner (should I build some rapport prior to this?)
Or wait until she responds
Or just wait longer and do nothing until it resets and recontact again at the appropriate time?
 

Norton

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I've been thinking on how to deal with this.
Today is Friday, presumably work and jobs would have ceased by now in preparation for the weekend. So today would be a good time to explain to her that my slots are finally opening up, and apologise for the tardi reply.
Something like,

Me: Actually, last week I went to Melbourne because our company is moving place and I had to help out (all bullshit of course) thats why I didnt contact you. And then last Saturday, me and my sister bought a house. Hey! I am hoping I can show you the new house that we bought, and maybe we can catch up for some chocolate souffle at Max Brenner's?


I'll wait until tonight to see if there are any feedback from anyone, otherwise, I will just execute this.
 

luego

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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You're missing the point.

You're not apologizing for the tardy reply. You're out banging chicks left and right and completely forgot about her. That's what she WANTS.

No, don't txt her on a Friday. She's likely busy on a Friday. And she doesn't want to see your new house. That's something that a girlfriend might want. This is a girl you've scared off because she was happy having a simple date with you, and you're looking for a girlfriend from her because you have no better options.

Relax. Go have fun. In TWO WEEKS, find something cool to do and send her a quick series of texts which might end with you inviting her out somewhere.

Or, better, give it 2 months. Or 6. You're scaring this girl off.

Edit: Your timing was not the problem. Your content/tone was.

And yes, she might move on. But that's fine. You can't win this one by chasing her. You've lost round one. Your only bet is that she comes back around to you. You won't win by chasing.

Edit2: Sorry for the edits. Drinking a tad :p. Yes, everyone here says "move fast". But that's talking physicality. You moved fast in more of the emotional way. It's not just neutral, it's counter-productive. AT BEST right now you can convince her that she's willing to do you a favour by giving you a date. That's not a power position at all. It could work, but it's a horrible long shot. You're better off ignoring her, and bringing some hot chick into the restaurant she works at in a week or 2. See if she then tosses you off another "checking in" type text, and you can start again o a better level.
 

Norton

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The text was sent. (It was before I read your advice, Luego)
She replied 30 mins later saying, "Sorry Norton, Im busy today and this weekend too".

At this juncture, I still think this is the right move. In the latest text, it felt like it corrected the previous text with a more detailed explanation as to why I didnt respond to her text. This is more of a "correcting move" rather than go for the reset strategy which may cause her disinterest.
Her interest level was definately less than 50% before the latest text, but it think after sending that text it did more good than harm.
Although she didnt propose another alternative date, but she didnt single out the possibility of meeting next week either.
Im going to wait until next Tuesday or Wednesday to send a another text, build rapport first this time and then ask for another date. See how it go.
Im prepared to expect a rejection from this one, either way, I have learnt something.
 

Norton

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Im ditching the plan to send her another text 4 days later to extend another invitation to a date. The reason being I have sent the invitation before so she should know my intention. If she likes me, she should be the one to respond this time and offer a counter-invitation or at least a text to say hi to me.

The alpha response would be NOT to send any response until she does.
The second best move would be to send a "check-in" text at least 1 week later to let her know that I've not forgotten about her, and hope for the best.

If she doesnt respond at all, the final move will be to send a Hail Mary text to her 2 weeks later.

This should be the best course of action for my situation. Sorry for the seemingly boring soliloquy but feel free to chime in if any brothers have any thoughts.
 

mindful

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This was hard to read. I'm not saying that in a bad way, but i do agree that you need to chalk this one off for a while. One rule I follow is, if it feels like I'm chasing and putting in all the effort to hang out, I quit cold turkey. The responses you have gotten have been pretty much spot on. Also, the emotional attachment early on was apparent, which is what most likely drove her away.

I would say going forward: don't show too much enthusiasm in a girl through texting. Do some quick banter about something you guys did on the date or whatever and then propose another meet up.

Me: Hey XXX, Sorry didnt mean to ignore you, just that it has been very busy lately. I bought an apartment in ___ :) hows your schedule like? any free time?
(20mins later)
Her: Good to hear from you :) ya.. I've been busy too :(
(1 hr 10 mins later)
Me: when are you free to go out for a date again? :)


Here I would have not said the Sorry part. I would have made her work for why she is texting you..."Hey, just been busy with some things.. what's up?"

or a more direct route would be "Hey, just been busy with some things... miss me? :p". This still shows a little neediness because of the dynamic already. If she was more into you this would work well.

Then if she gives a generic answer like: "oh thats cool, yeah me too.". Boom dead her. Otherwise, then you can propose something (unless she implies it herself).

That's just my personal opinion.


Good luck!
 

Norton

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Thanks for your reply Mindful.

This case is dead at the onset, before I came to know girlschase. I think the main problem was failed escalation after the first date. There is an article on this

https://www.girlschase.com/content/3-sec ... -and-swoon

Basically I didnt seal the deal after sending her home, sending her into auto-rejection mode.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

deimos

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Me: Hey XXX, Sorry didnt mean to ignore you, just that it has been very busy lately. I bought an apartment in ___ :) hows your schedule like? any free time?
(20mins later)
Her: Good to hear from you :) ya.. I've been busy too :(
(1 hr 10 mins later)
Me: when are you free to go out for a date again? :)

As pointed out before, don't ever apologize for your actions. I also wanted to point out that you asked for her schedule twice here. Assume that she read it the first time (even if she missed it, if she likes you, she knows what's up and/or would reread the text). Also be careful with the emoticons, they can lighten up the conversation but can also come across as beta when joking or asking a question.

e.g.
What's your schedule like this week?
vs
What's your schedule like this week? :) :) :) :) (I'm so thirsty and excited)
 
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