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Cro-Magnon Man
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Hey guys,

Just got home from a coffee date with a 38 year old single mom I met in a grocery store. We met at 6 PM and I got home around 10:30. So a total of 4 and a halfish hours.

The First Meeting

When we met Wednesday, we had talked a bit and I got good compliance so I asked her schedule later that day, but she had plans. So I asked for her number. She was super hard to read so I told her she was making me nervous and she laughed and said yes. I then called her right after meeting her so she had my number - as I told her I would. I then didnt text her and later that night got a text from her saying she didnt want to call me so late so she texted instead.

After catching up a bit on how the rest of her day went that day, she said, "I was thinking maybe if your up for it we could get together sometime this weekend and chat some more if you want." before I even had a chance to suggest it. She also sent a picture of herself to remind me what she looked like. So we planned to meet Saturday (yesterday).

Every single morning after that she sent "good morning" texts and consistently initated conversations to check in.

The Almost Flake

Saturday came and she sent, "Hey I'm sorry to do this in advance but I know if it's the heat that got to me or what but I'm starting to not feel good again and my head is killing me. Can we post pone this for tomorrow so I can give myself the chance to get better?" So I said yeah that was fine and verified that tomorrow at the same time still worked. She thanked me for being understanding. I then texted her this morning an anti-flake text to verify we were meeting today and she said yes.

The Coffee Date

So we met for coffee at Starbucks. We had a laugh over what drinks to get and I paid (didnt mind). I then directed her where to sit, leading her by the small of her back, and began to deep dive. She did all the talking and I related to different points of the conversation. She got a few calls during our date and clicked them off (unless they were her kids). We had a great conversation with some laughs and some serious deep topics and she was refreshingly open with me. After getting on the topic of her past vehicles, I asked her to show me her Jeep she drove to the Starbucks in. She agreed.

The Second Location

She showed me her Jeep and different things about it. I then sat in the passenger seat as she showed me some lights she had put up in her Jeep and then suggested we go to a nearby park since it was nice out. She didnt know where it was, so I told her Id direct her and I went and locked my car, got back in the passenger seat, and off we went. We kept talking as we went and we got there fairly quickly (or it felt like it). We then parked and got out. She sat on a bench right by her car and I joined her. We kept talking and after a while, I storm began to brew and it was getting cold, so I suggested we wait in her car. (Note: I did ask her if her kids were home to see if I could get back to her place, but she said yes that her oldest son was home, so I removed that as a possibility).

In the Jeep

In the Jeep, we kept talking and I was deliberate about touching her upper arm or hands or leg. She was fine with it and it started to rain after a while. I kept deep diving and she laughed at different points, not keeping the conversation too deep for too long. Lots of good eye contact and I asked her about how shed been doing since her husband passed. Its been about two years and she was trying to figure out where in town to meet people, so she had asked her daughter.

Her daughter set her up on POF but she wasnt a fan of it and I related, talking a bit about Tinder. She then said how yeah she heard that was more for hookups and stuff and I used that chance to explain how I did one night stands, but wasnt a big fan. I like waking up and having the person still there. I also brought up how I preferred in person, especially because Im a physical guy (I have been touching her throughout the conversation). She agreed and we kept talking.

I then asked her when the last time she was with a guy was since her husband and she said a couple months with one guy, but he only wanted one thing. I then expounded more on what I said before adding how two people should be able to be independent and not dependant or overly attached to another. But when they are together, they should enhance each other. (Quick aside: I also learned that her husband didnt treat her well, was a drunk, and didnt make her feel wanted.) She agreed and then I asked when the last time she saw a penis was.

Moving Things Forward

She said that last guy from a few months ago. I then asked if she wanted to see and she thought about it a bit and said "I dont know. I dont think Im ready to be sexual yet with you. At least not yet" so I said ok and reminded her there was no pressure to do anything she wasnt comfortable with. I then pressed a bit again after resuming conversation for a bit (maybe a few minutes) saying shed just see it and we could then resume talking. She was kind of quiet so I pulled it out and she looked forward and things were kind of quiet, so I resumed conversation.

So we kept talking and she was fine. I had to remind myself in doing this that if she didnt like it, she'd leave. I just kept my dick out and was stroking it a bit. I noticed her glancing at it while we were talking (it was getting dark) and at one point she said "oh my god" when she got a real good look at it. It was blended into the context of the story she was telling me so it wouldnt be super obvious. She did a lot of the talking as she had been, me just relating.

I got a call from my mom saying not to drive home because of the storm (thank god) until it passed. I looked away when talking and saw from the corner of my eye she bent down and got a drink from her starbucks (we both drank from it eventually because I had her let me have a sip at the beginning of the date for compliance). It was in the middle and she used it as an opprotunity to look hard at my dick. We then went back to normal, her facing forward and occasionally glacing at my dick.

We kept telling stories and I kept touching her arms and legs and stomach. At different points, to show her pictures on my phone or to respond to an important text, I told her to "hold this" and reached over, grabbed her hand, and put it on my dick while I focused on my phone. The first time I did this, she kept her hand there while we talked and after a bit of her not doing anything, I began to move her hand slightly up and down it. She stopped talking and smiled a bit before pulling her hand back slowly and saying "sorry" quietly. I said it was OK and kept the conversation going. I did it a second time with another photo and again she just kept her hand there. I let her take it away naturally as she wanted and when her hand was on it, she stared hard.

I also noticed her voice became higher during all this and the tension was a lot greater. She was more compliant and returned to being more happy (she was getting a bit tired of talking before I asked her to see it). I had to keep reminding myself two things as this whole thing was going on: one, to not get emotionally attached and two: to not make kissing the goal, but getting inside her. I did not kiss her at all throughout this entire date.

I had her touch my stomach and thighs and just kept my dick out throughout the rest of the interaction. She was fine with it and it was low key, as we just kept talking and relating through stories, never once explicitly talking about it.

At one point her son called and she had said she was tired and was going to go home soon. I agreed that I was also tired and should go home soon. But I then kept the conversation going another couple of minutes, talking more, asking more questions, having her show me things, etc.

I then said yeah we should go home and she drove us back to the starbucks. I put my penis away and on the way back I asked her about what music she liked. She played a few songs and I got her to sing along to them to keep things from being quiet. She was laughing and having fun and compliant, so I accomplished my goal on the way back.

Ending the Date

We got back and I thanked her for driving and used some push-pull saying we had too much fun, so we shouldnt do this again. She laughed and I had her give me a hug, but her seatbelt was still on. So I told her to take it off and she did, hugging me again. As I was exiting the hug, my hand naturally ran across her breasts and I let them, not looking at my hands but staring in her eyes and I could tell she got visibly horny and liked it. But she didnt say anything about it and we both agreed to crash when we got home (I had to write this tho). She was smiling and happy at the end and it ended on a good note.

We then drove off separately and the date was over.


Afterwards
I was waiting to see if shed text me saying she didnt want to meet again (I know - such a positive outlook right? But Ive had this happen before in the past).

However, she hasnt texted me and its been about an hour since the date ended so I think she did go home and crash. Im hopeful for a second date.

Thanks everyone for all your help and feedback! Im really using it the best I can and am slowly seeing the results!

Any feedback apperciated!

Till the next one,

NBW
 

Fuck This

Cro-Magnon Man
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Pretty uncalibrated and frankly creepy.

She gave you every sign she was not aroused and you pushed it anyway.

Whipping the dick out without her even giving the indication she was interested ("Im not ready to get sexual with you yet") is pretty much sexual assault.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

NewBeeWinner

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The "Im not ready yet" was me filling in because I couldnt remember what she said. I dont remember exactly what the short conversation was at that point.

But I disagree on a basis of how she acted.

She didnt tell me to stop, ask what I was doing, leave the car, yell at me, or move her hand away. She left her hand where I put it, didnt move it away, nor did I force her to keep it there.

But to be sure, I texted her to make sure she didnt feel as though I was crossing boundaries or making her feel disrepected. Thats a serious accusation and Im taking it seriously. I disagree but I'll see how she feels.

Will update when she replies.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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She replied yeah it was a little soon soon for me just meeting you, sorry. I apologized for not ensuring she was more comfortable with things before moving forward and then got no response. So did I seem weak? Probably. So I said if she's not willing to forgive me and move forward, I'll be sad but I'll move on. That's that.

So yeah. I get it. I get it. Reading it from the outside and seeing it outside of myself, it is weird. You can say it's creepy. To call it assault I feel is too far. I misinterpreted her signals and obviously have the wrong mental model. I tried so hard to do everything right. I felt like I did too. I seriously did. But I get it where I obviously went wrong. I should've picked up on it the minute she didn't progress things forward herself and I should've taken a BIG step back and then reworked back to it. Did I learn? yeah. Is she just another number? I didn't want her to be. But now she is. Do I care too much? Probably, but doesn't mean I can't detach. And I'm so sick of it.

I'm realizing I am seriously bitter. I'm not even sure how much of it is self-hate at this point because I know better. I know better and still mess up. I know better and still make one mistake and it all falls apart. I'm ridiculous to think of others as being forgiving. That's not how the real world works. Part of it's trying so hard, part of it is mental abuse by family, and part of it is hating where I"m at in life. I've learned my value and stand up for myself now. Do I want the results? yes. Am I willing to do almost anything to get them? Yes.

I seriously hate myself for messing up so much. I hate that it feels like I do everything to get better and then I see someone who doesn't do anything and they get the results I'm wanting. I can't help but feel jealousy. What can I do with this emotion beside use it to fuel myself to improve? Does that mean I'm too outcome dependent? Probably. But damn then why am I doing any of this in the first place if not to see the results?

There's a lot playing into this and I can feel part of myself reminding me to "Don't become bitter" but its there and its seeping in slowly and it's driving me insane. I need to fix this before it poisons me.

NBW
 

NewBeeWinner

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Alright guys. In reflection:

- Fuck This is right. It was uncalibrated and sloppy. (She was a yellow light and instead of stopping, taking a step back, and rebuilding back to being sexual, I pressed right on. I did some things right throughout but this is where it really mattered.)

- I need to forgive myself for making mistakes. I messed up in the past not pressing forward when it mattered. Now I did the opposite and it'll be the last time.

- I need to recommit that I'm learning. We're going for asymteric returns, not one specific girl.

- I dont blame her. She doesnt owe me anything and is ultimately protecting herself.

- I know how to deal with resistance properly. Just another lesson in practice. I wont get this wrong next time. Focus and calibrate to her response. If shes hesitant, pull back, take the pressure off her, and then work back to it a bit later. Persist but dont insist.

- Im dealing with other areas of bitterness and hate and am learning to set boundaries. Im going to write an apology to myself because its making me bitter and respond to things wrong.

NBW
 
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