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There's a great thread here covering what seduction is, and as I was reading it, I started thinking about my favorite analogy for seduction. I considered posting this as a response to that thread, but my thinking here is probably a bit out of left field and I don't want to derail too much. So here goes.
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Physics is defined thusly:
I have long conceptualized human social interactions as energy interactions. Maybe it’s because I’ve always liked physics (despite failing it in school, which probably had something to do with being allowed to sit in the corner and listen to music on my CD player instead - I wouldn’t recommend teachers out there do that). Even so, my analogy-obsessed mind often takes to physics as a way of formulating and understanding ideas. And so it will often do when I am reflecting on social/seductive concepts, which are some of my other interests.
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There are many ways to apply physics concepts to seductions as useful analogies. Seduction itself can be seen as a sort of mutual energy release, where a man uses frames (like pipes or channels) to create alternate flow paths that circumvent inhibitions (energy blockages) to release the energy of latent desires out into both the man’s and the woman’s immediate experience. Core to seduction is energetic stimulation, and a reduction of inhibition and physical distance between a man and a woman, so that their energies can stimulate and arouse eachother, and combine intimately.
The strength of a man’s presence and his felt dominance to others around him can also be conceptualized as his energy-projection – that is to say, how difficult it would be to arrest his energetic motion, even if he is currently in a low-energy state. It is still intuitively apparent to people around him, to some extent at least, what would happen if a trifling obstacle were to appear in front of him - the same way that someone sees a 50,000 ton ship moving slowly, and understands intuitively what would happen to any obstacle that suddenly appeared in front. Thus, a man with a strong presence can be said to convey a sense of weight, momentum, impetus, or various other properties of the physics framework.
I also like to conceive of presence as creating a gravitational well, toward which the attention and energy of others is drawn. You can see this if, like me, you have developed a powerful and seductive walk – women will sometimes veer off their path toward you as they move past, as if gravity suddenly tilted in your direction, and from afar will have their attention diverted toward you. This is the same as the way that a body with lots of mass, e.g. the sun, captures bodies of smaller mass (e.g. planets) in its gravitational well, and affects the trajectories of comets as they move through the universe. A man's effect on others resides not in his actual mass in kg, but rather the mass of his mental matter – his self belief, internal reality, and the power and will of his self-expression.
It also happens in reverse with women who have comparatively strong frames dealing with men who have comparatively weak frames – these men are captured into the gravitational orbit of the women, pulled constantly toward them while circling around them, and are thus called ‘orbiters’.
Those are just some of the ways that physics analogies (if they are really analogies at all, sometimes I wonder ..) apply to social and sexual interactions.
What I would like to talk about specifically here is a physics analogy for seduction, in terms of an airplane taking off on a runway.
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What is the objective of an airplane during takeoff? In simple terms, its objective is to reach a certain altitude. Let’s also define sex as the objective of seduction (there may be other sub-objectives, but I’m sure nature would agree with me that this is the key one). Therefore, using the airplane analogy, we can think of sex as what lies at a certain altitude during takeoff.
To make this clearer, let's imagine a scenario. You’re a pilot sitting in your airplane at the start of the runway, and in the passenger seat behind you is the girl you would like to seduce. Way up there in the sky is a nice big cloud (a bed of clouds perhaps?) where sex occurs.
We know that runways do not have an infinite length, and upon reaching the end of it, there's usually a stretch of rough ground which will slow a plane down or otherwise inhibit its ability to fly. Technically, it may be possible to take off from this rough ground, but in practice it’s extremely difficult and dicey.
In seduction too, the runway is not infinite either. The longer you spend around a woman investing in her without sex or intimacy, the closer you get to the friendzone, from which it is extremely difficult to transition to sex. Thus, we analogize the friendzone as the rough ground, full of weeds, that lies beyond the end of the runway.
Beyond this rough ground, there is usually a collection of trees, buildings or large obstructions of some kind, or open water. It is very bad to end up in any of these places, and it pretty much means the end of your airplane.
In seduction, this is the area you usually end up in if you continue trying to reach sex (trying to take off) from the friendzone. Eventually either she’ll have enough of it (you’ll run out of ground), or you’ll suddenly realize that you used up all your runway and now you’re in a bad spot and desperately open your throttle in the hope of somehow clearing these final obstructions. This is usually fireball territory, where you suddenly make a big sexual move out of nowhere, startle and confuse her, and she blocks you everywhere.
...
Now we see what the pilot is trying to do. He is trying to reach sex (the clouds way up in the sky) while avoiding the friendzone (rough ground beyond the end of the runway) and definitely avoiding the trees beyond. How does he achieve this? He does it by solving the lift equation:
L = Cl * 0.5 * p * v² * s
Where:
L = lift
Cl = coefficient of lift
p = air density
v = velocity
s = wing area
OK that’s a bit technical. How do we analogize this to seduction? Well, let’s forget about air density for now – I’m sure there’s a great analogy for it somewhere but let’s keep it simple. So we have ‘coefficient of lift’ and ‘wing area’ which are both static properties of the airplane that help it to fly. Let’s conceptualize these together, in terms of seduction, as a man’s fundamentals/SMV, the things that make him fundamentally attractive and don’t change during the seduction. They give him a ‘lift bonus’, meaning it’s easier for him to start climbing, and his lack thereof reduces his lift and makes it difficult to leave the ground.
What we have left then is velocity. Since this is dynamic, and can take him very quickly to either sex (altitude) or the friendzone (off the end of the runway and into the weeds), let’s analogize this – or more specifically, the pilot’s use of the plane’s throttle – to ‘investment’. He will need to use his throttle a certain amount to be able to fly at all, but too much of it before reaching sex (altitude) and he’ll end up off the end of the runway (in the friendzone). I hope you’re keeping up with me here!
There is, of course, another dimension to this scenario we haven’t talked about yet, which is very important, and that is the act of pulling back on the stick. Doing so turns the nose of the airplane up toward the sky (this is sexual escalation/asking for compliance), which may result in reaching the clouds more quickly. But there are consequences if the lift equation has not been satisfied – the plane will either struggle to gain altitude, or stall and crash back to the ground.
So the pilot’s objective can now be understood as achieving a climb rate (increasing level of escalation/compliance) that reaches the clouds (sex) without losing all the lift (attraction/willingness) he acquired from his accumulation of energy (investment). This can be described as his optimum flight path.
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As soon as a man approaches a woman and meets her, his plane begins rolling down the runway. It accelerates as he opens the throttle - courts her, shows desire for her, gives her attention, takes her on dates, engages her on text, etc. As the plane gathers speed (the seduction progresses), his runway expires, and he has less and less time to acquire enough lift (willingness to have sex) to leave the ground.
Let’s see what happens if he pulls the stick too hard early on (escalates too quickly). The plane might leave the ground (she might enjoy what he’s doing and go along for a while) but because the plane's energy/velocity (his investment) is too low, it decelerates quickly (her asd is triggered, she becomes uncomfortable with him and resists any further escalation or compliance). This might end up in a very shaky and uncomfortable climb where the plane is straining and shuddering up into the sky, where he might eventually reach the clouds (though his passenger may well decide to make flying with him a one-time thing), or else the wings might suddenly fall off before he gets there (she flips on him completely) or she rounds off the date and leaves and doesn’t return his messages (he stalls and crashes onto the ground).
This is a bad state of affairs and he’ll probably not get another try.
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Let’s say the pilot is very aware of this and maybe even afraid of it, so he is very careful about pulling back on the stick. So careful in fact, that even when he feels instinctively that it’s time to pull on it, and the plane gives all the signs of wanting to fly, he avoids doing so, and might even push the nose down to make sure the plane doesn’t leave the ground. “More velocity!” he says. “The more velocity the better, so that when I do eventually pull this stick, it’ll be so easy to climb! And she’ll barely even notice that we started climbing and she’ll love me for being such a good pilot!”.
Well, it’s kind of hard to see the end of the runway, and before he realizes it, there’s a big jolt and everything is shaking and bouncing, and his speed quickly falls.
This pilot has not calculated correctly the time to pull up, and he’s run off the end of the runway. He is now in the friendzone, where more investment (throttle) doesn’t give him much, if any, speed or lift. In fact the more he revs it the more everything shakes around and resists him and makes things uncomfortable for him. He’s a bit confused at this point, but he knows what to do. He cuts throttle and applies brakes, and the plane slows down, and the shaking quickly starts to decrease. He feels better because now things are smoother, and he’s glad to see that his passenger also feels better. But there’s a problem: he has no speed, and without speed, how will he fly, or reach the clouds?
At this point, he should probably cancel the flight, maybe just call this one a day. But he looks up and really wants to make it happen, the clouds above are really beautiful and it’s a fine day, and after all his sexy passenger is still there with him, and the opportunity simply cannot be resisted.
He will end up doing one of two things. He’ll either get stuck in limbo, where he is unable to choose to move forward (because it causes too much shaking) but in doing so he can never leave the situation – in this case, the friendzone. So he brings the plane to a stop, sits on the wing, and despondently looks up at the clouds, where the opportunity for sex resides, so far out of reach. Maybe one day, he says, I’ll get up there. In the meantime I’ll stay here and try to figure out a way how. His passenger (the girl) lives nearby and she walks off to go home, but she kind of likes him and it’s kind of cute to see him there with his plane, so she waves and smiles to him every morning as he stares up into the sky. One day, he says to himself, I’ll hatch a plan, beckon her over, and we’ll both fly up into the sky. In the meantime, the girl wants to fly, and meets other pilots.
Now imagine that before the plane comes to a stop, the pilot instead realizes that he screwed up, and decides to make a hail mary attempt to get into the air. He clenches his jaw, puts his faith in destiny, pushes the throttle wide open, and hopes for the best. Everything shakes horribly, the plane struggles to gain speed, and … either his wings are big enough (she’s already so attracted to him) that despite the circumstances the plane bounces into the air and stays there. Or (and this is 99% of the time), he hits the trees at the end of the runway at high velocity, which very much spells the end of his airplane.
They both walk away with a concussion, and his passenger thereafter wants absolutely nothing at all to do with him.
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We can see that the ideal scenario for the pilot is where he uses the right amount of throttle, reaches the right takeoff speed, uses the right amount of pull on the stick, and takes off smoothly into the air, climbing majestically toward the bed of clouds where his destiny with his passenger awaits. The amount of throttle he needs, the correct time to pull up, the ideal flight path, and the correct response to anything going wrong, depends on his ability to solve the lift equation for his own specific airplane, and match it to his current situation.
I hope this analogy comes in useful to you!
...
Physics is defined thusly:
I have long conceptualized human social interactions as energy interactions. Maybe it’s because I’ve always liked physics (despite failing it in school, which probably had something to do with being allowed to sit in the corner and listen to music on my CD player instead - I wouldn’t recommend teachers out there do that). Even so, my analogy-obsessed mind often takes to physics as a way of formulating and understanding ideas. And so it will often do when I am reflecting on social/seductive concepts, which are some of my other interests.
...
There are many ways to apply physics concepts to seductions as useful analogies. Seduction itself can be seen as a sort of mutual energy release, where a man uses frames (like pipes or channels) to create alternate flow paths that circumvent inhibitions (energy blockages) to release the energy of latent desires out into both the man’s and the woman’s immediate experience. Core to seduction is energetic stimulation, and a reduction of inhibition and physical distance between a man and a woman, so that their energies can stimulate and arouse eachother, and combine intimately.
The strength of a man’s presence and his felt dominance to others around him can also be conceptualized as his energy-projection – that is to say, how difficult it would be to arrest his energetic motion, even if he is currently in a low-energy state. It is still intuitively apparent to people around him, to some extent at least, what would happen if a trifling obstacle were to appear in front of him - the same way that someone sees a 50,000 ton ship moving slowly, and understands intuitively what would happen to any obstacle that suddenly appeared in front. Thus, a man with a strong presence can be said to convey a sense of weight, momentum, impetus, or various other properties of the physics framework.
I also like to conceive of presence as creating a gravitational well, toward which the attention and energy of others is drawn. You can see this if, like me, you have developed a powerful and seductive walk – women will sometimes veer off their path toward you as they move past, as if gravity suddenly tilted in your direction, and from afar will have their attention diverted toward you. This is the same as the way that a body with lots of mass, e.g. the sun, captures bodies of smaller mass (e.g. planets) in its gravitational well, and affects the trajectories of comets as they move through the universe. A man's effect on others resides not in his actual mass in kg, but rather the mass of his mental matter – his self belief, internal reality, and the power and will of his self-expression.
It also happens in reverse with women who have comparatively strong frames dealing with men who have comparatively weak frames – these men are captured into the gravitational orbit of the women, pulled constantly toward them while circling around them, and are thus called ‘orbiters’.
Those are just some of the ways that physics analogies (if they are really analogies at all, sometimes I wonder ..) apply to social and sexual interactions.
What I would like to talk about specifically here is a physics analogy for seduction, in terms of an airplane taking off on a runway.
...
What is the objective of an airplane during takeoff? In simple terms, its objective is to reach a certain altitude. Let’s also define sex as the objective of seduction (there may be other sub-objectives, but I’m sure nature would agree with me that this is the key one). Therefore, using the airplane analogy, we can think of sex as what lies at a certain altitude during takeoff.
To make this clearer, let's imagine a scenario. You’re a pilot sitting in your airplane at the start of the runway, and in the passenger seat behind you is the girl you would like to seduce. Way up there in the sky is a nice big cloud (a bed of clouds perhaps?) where sex occurs.
We know that runways do not have an infinite length, and upon reaching the end of it, there's usually a stretch of rough ground which will slow a plane down or otherwise inhibit its ability to fly. Technically, it may be possible to take off from this rough ground, but in practice it’s extremely difficult and dicey.
In seduction too, the runway is not infinite either. The longer you spend around a woman investing in her without sex or intimacy, the closer you get to the friendzone, from which it is extremely difficult to transition to sex. Thus, we analogize the friendzone as the rough ground, full of weeds, that lies beyond the end of the runway.
Beyond this rough ground, there is usually a collection of trees, buildings or large obstructions of some kind, or open water. It is very bad to end up in any of these places, and it pretty much means the end of your airplane.
In seduction, this is the area you usually end up in if you continue trying to reach sex (trying to take off) from the friendzone. Eventually either she’ll have enough of it (you’ll run out of ground), or you’ll suddenly realize that you used up all your runway and now you’re in a bad spot and desperately open your throttle in the hope of somehow clearing these final obstructions. This is usually fireball territory, where you suddenly make a big sexual move out of nowhere, startle and confuse her, and she blocks you everywhere.
...
Now we see what the pilot is trying to do. He is trying to reach sex (the clouds way up in the sky) while avoiding the friendzone (rough ground beyond the end of the runway) and definitely avoiding the trees beyond. How does he achieve this? He does it by solving the lift equation:
L = Cl * 0.5 * p * v² * s
Where:
L = lift
Cl = coefficient of lift
p = air density
v = velocity
s = wing area
OK that’s a bit technical. How do we analogize this to seduction? Well, let’s forget about air density for now – I’m sure there’s a great analogy for it somewhere but let’s keep it simple. So we have ‘coefficient of lift’ and ‘wing area’ which are both static properties of the airplane that help it to fly. Let’s conceptualize these together, in terms of seduction, as a man’s fundamentals/SMV, the things that make him fundamentally attractive and don’t change during the seduction. They give him a ‘lift bonus’, meaning it’s easier for him to start climbing, and his lack thereof reduces his lift and makes it difficult to leave the ground.
What we have left then is velocity. Since this is dynamic, and can take him very quickly to either sex (altitude) or the friendzone (off the end of the runway and into the weeds), let’s analogize this – or more specifically, the pilot’s use of the plane’s throttle – to ‘investment’. He will need to use his throttle a certain amount to be able to fly at all, but too much of it before reaching sex (altitude) and he’ll end up off the end of the runway (in the friendzone). I hope you’re keeping up with me here!
There is, of course, another dimension to this scenario we haven’t talked about yet, which is very important, and that is the act of pulling back on the stick. Doing so turns the nose of the airplane up toward the sky (this is sexual escalation/asking for compliance), which may result in reaching the clouds more quickly. But there are consequences if the lift equation has not been satisfied – the plane will either struggle to gain altitude, or stall and crash back to the ground.
So the pilot’s objective can now be understood as achieving a climb rate (increasing level of escalation/compliance) that reaches the clouds (sex) without losing all the lift (attraction/willingness) he acquired from his accumulation of energy (investment). This can be described as his optimum flight path.
...
As soon as a man approaches a woman and meets her, his plane begins rolling down the runway. It accelerates as he opens the throttle - courts her, shows desire for her, gives her attention, takes her on dates, engages her on text, etc. As the plane gathers speed (the seduction progresses), his runway expires, and he has less and less time to acquire enough lift (willingness to have sex) to leave the ground.
Let’s see what happens if he pulls the stick too hard early on (escalates too quickly). The plane might leave the ground (she might enjoy what he’s doing and go along for a while) but because the plane's energy/velocity (his investment) is too low, it decelerates quickly (her asd is triggered, she becomes uncomfortable with him and resists any further escalation or compliance). This might end up in a very shaky and uncomfortable climb where the plane is straining and shuddering up into the sky, where he might eventually reach the clouds (though his passenger may well decide to make flying with him a one-time thing), or else the wings might suddenly fall off before he gets there (she flips on him completely) or she rounds off the date and leaves and doesn’t return his messages (he stalls and crashes onto the ground).
This is a bad state of affairs and he’ll probably not get another try.
...
Let’s say the pilot is very aware of this and maybe even afraid of it, so he is very careful about pulling back on the stick. So careful in fact, that even when he feels instinctively that it’s time to pull on it, and the plane gives all the signs of wanting to fly, he avoids doing so, and might even push the nose down to make sure the plane doesn’t leave the ground. “More velocity!” he says. “The more velocity the better, so that when I do eventually pull this stick, it’ll be so easy to climb! And she’ll barely even notice that we started climbing and she’ll love me for being such a good pilot!”.
Well, it’s kind of hard to see the end of the runway, and before he realizes it, there’s a big jolt and everything is shaking and bouncing, and his speed quickly falls.
This pilot has not calculated correctly the time to pull up, and he’s run off the end of the runway. He is now in the friendzone, where more investment (throttle) doesn’t give him much, if any, speed or lift. In fact the more he revs it the more everything shakes around and resists him and makes things uncomfortable for him. He’s a bit confused at this point, but he knows what to do. He cuts throttle and applies brakes, and the plane slows down, and the shaking quickly starts to decrease. He feels better because now things are smoother, and he’s glad to see that his passenger also feels better. But there’s a problem: he has no speed, and without speed, how will he fly, or reach the clouds?
At this point, he should probably cancel the flight, maybe just call this one a day. But he looks up and really wants to make it happen, the clouds above are really beautiful and it’s a fine day, and after all his sexy passenger is still there with him, and the opportunity simply cannot be resisted.
He will end up doing one of two things. He’ll either get stuck in limbo, where he is unable to choose to move forward (because it causes too much shaking) but in doing so he can never leave the situation – in this case, the friendzone. So he brings the plane to a stop, sits on the wing, and despondently looks up at the clouds, where the opportunity for sex resides, so far out of reach. Maybe one day, he says, I’ll get up there. In the meantime I’ll stay here and try to figure out a way how. His passenger (the girl) lives nearby and she walks off to go home, but she kind of likes him and it’s kind of cute to see him there with his plane, so she waves and smiles to him every morning as he stares up into the sky. One day, he says to himself, I’ll hatch a plan, beckon her over, and we’ll both fly up into the sky. In the meantime, the girl wants to fly, and meets other pilots.
Now imagine that before the plane comes to a stop, the pilot instead realizes that he screwed up, and decides to make a hail mary attempt to get into the air. He clenches his jaw, puts his faith in destiny, pushes the throttle wide open, and hopes for the best. Everything shakes horribly, the plane struggles to gain speed, and … either his wings are big enough (she’s already so attracted to him) that despite the circumstances the plane bounces into the air and stays there. Or (and this is 99% of the time), he hits the trees at the end of the runway at high velocity, which very much spells the end of his airplane.
They both walk away with a concussion, and his passenger thereafter wants absolutely nothing at all to do with him.
...
We can see that the ideal scenario for the pilot is where he uses the right amount of throttle, reaches the right takeoff speed, uses the right amount of pull on the stick, and takes off smoothly into the air, climbing majestically toward the bed of clouds where his destiny with his passenger awaits. The amount of throttle he needs, the correct time to pull up, the ideal flight path, and the correct response to anything going wrong, depends on his ability to solve the lift equation for his own specific airplane, and match it to his current situation.
I hope this analogy comes in useful to you!
