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Rage

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Hey what's up guys

Not sure what my goal really is with this journal but a couple of things come to mind

- I want something that I can update frequently and have it be sort of quick and dirty that I don’t really edit and can just type something up as soon as it happens

- I’m not sure if this will help my pickup a lot (I suspect it may help my writing more) or whether or not I will stick on it for a long time, but would like to be writing more and imp approaching a lot so lets try it it might help

- I havent been writing like 5000 plus words a day in a while so this’ll help me do that too and maybe up my typing speed and intuition a bit

- Any comments advice critique feedback is all quite welcome; I’m sort of a dirty guy like chase said in that last article lol and having just a quick and dirty journal like this would help me out potentially … so we’ll see

9/8

Today was a rainy day.

That’s good because California’s been having a drought and it doesn’t really rain much where I'm from. I go to the gym in mornings most mornings, and was freaking excited for going today in the rain and stuff lol

I don’t usually take preworkout but got my samples from gnc … and go this cutler preworkout that I was pumped to try so took that in the morning… I wanna do power lifting and potentially compete a year or couple of years down the line … I’m on week 4 of jonnie candito’s powerlifting routine and had to lift pretty heavy today

So I went to the gym in the rain; and then today I had to squat 215 for 3 then 220 for 3 and then 225 for 3; that’s pretty heavy for me … and after that do deadlifts 6 reps 2 sets which I did with 255 lbs a good medium working weight for me

Wasn’t sure if gym would be empty or not today it was sort of empty but sort of full

When ii got o workout I try to usually workout at an earlier time where girls aren’t there much and focus on working out and later when I'm doing the lighter weights and my workout is near end more women come and then I'm down to go talk to them… but workout first is my rule and usually I don’t make any exceptions

I saw the 2 cougars I wrote about ealier in beginners board…but saw them peripherally … didn’t wanna go talk because was super focused on my workout and it was gonna be pretty hard … I stretched and foam rolled and then went to workout

I was hitting my squats and foam rolling between sets (though not sure if I should be doing that or not)

Not a lot of girls at this time... but just a few hot ones

A hot girl with butterface but killer body wearing a top and gym pants I see notice me and check me out while I'm getting water … later she comes with the 110 bar and squats next to my rack and I'm sure its an approach invitation… we o only ping a little she says excuse me and I smile politely … and later same happens at water fountain

And later she has to go so shes only there for like 2 sets… she is into me, but at this point I'm trying to workout and in the zone, the squats are the hardest part by far and I have to be [psyched up and shit …

There's another girl two racks away who I notice look my way and check me out a couple of times and another one far away who looks my way too… the one near the squat rack I get to go meet later…. (kind of funny but do you guys have that too? Like I won’t try but women just notice me and stuff a ton… kind of like maslows hammer I think maybe like when you're good with girls and your fundamentals are half decent most girls seem like they're sort of into you) …

I get through my squats all right… they intimidate the shit out of me but I muscle through them I’m a bit loud but don’t really give a shit. I weight like 157 right now a little leaner but shredded mor than I've been In a long time … for 5’9 157 is skinny, and I look young as fuck but don’t wanna put on extra weight that’s fat even though it might help my lifts (random thought lol) and help me look older

So I get done with squats do my 2 sets of deadlifts... I go to the other side of gym where the machines are, the cougars are gone … I go to do a set on a machine … I get water and the girl that was squatting looks at me and we hold eye contact for like 5 seconds…. I'm uncomfortable to approach here, but should have, (cause I’ve been doing less street game as of late … that’ll change in a couple weeks once school starts)… she seems to find me attractive but not in a smitten smiling way like the other girl who showed up to squat next to me was (she had smiled and said oh hey and looked down and bit her lip a little… lol gotta approach her another machines day)

This girl that had been squatting 2 racks away later comes to leg extension machine… I go and approach her

My fundamentals are decent … but have been better in the past … I try to have a little more sexual humor and be a little more playful like zphix or anatman might be, not sure if that’s out of my style but personally I don’t think anyone has a style till thir advanced and I'm not… and that you sort of discover yours … (random tangent lol gonna get back to it )

hey can I jump in with you

I do a set, struggle with the weight cause my legs are shot ffrom squatting

She jumps on and does the same weight with more ease

You're stronger than me

I know

What do you mean you know ?

I mean I know I’m bigger than you too (half true; I’m lean right now and how I'm genetically built makes me look lean and skinny; shes callenging me a bit here but her face isn't very playful somehow ha)

Oh is that so …

Pause a moment or two goes by

What's you name …

Beatrice

I’m gem nice to meet you (throughout the whole interaction she doesn’t ask me anything … and is kind of not into me, though she had been looking at me but I guess she’s like one of those girls that objectively finds you attractive but not super interested in you…she wasn’t very warm) I take her hand a bit

You’ve been working out a long time

WEll kind of … not legs… I used to run but now I wanted to get my legs bigger

Were boys making fun of you?

No !

Did they say your ass is small and stuff?

No (lol shes sort of irked and not smiling … either shes horny or turned off I'm not sure :/ lol )

We work out a little more and switch achines

Are you young, how old are you

I’m 24

How old do you think I am

Like 17 (fml haha I look young as fuck man … if a girl mis ncie she’ll guess a little older, if shes straight up and not extremely nice then shell guess im like 17 or 18… im 20 but I always try to lie and say im a little older)

No im your age! I know I look younger than I am lol

Do you go to school

No I work now

Doing what

Like at a clinic

Doing what there

Like ima secretary I answer phones (I’ve been pausing between topics but shes not hooking, again either horny and her time of the month or shes just not into me)

You don’t like me huh smiling just the tiniest hint at her

She smiles back just the tiniest bit I don’t like the questions

Oh yeah I ask a lot of questions lol

She talks and is barely warm asking about the machine and if shes doing the exercise right and stuff. And I let her know and tell her no like this … shes not really very into me it seems and shes not incredibly attractive either just all right (a skinny girl and my ass is bigger than hers and her tits are small but decent face)

I probably should have went for a date and number just because you should err on side of action over interaction and I haven’t asked a girl

But I'm not super into her and she doesn’t seem very into me either … seems like a boring girl like one of those types that are uninteresting and not much to them lol


Bye it was nice to meet you

Bye nice to meet you

I walk off without looking back and then get some water and then go back to my car and head home

Afterthoughts: Yeah I probably should asked this girl to get food sometime; she's not a regular so I wouldn’t see her much again anyway

Maybe she was horny and we could’ve done something after and she’d warm up all of a sudden (maybe she was one of those girls that seems super disinterested but just goes with you anyway)

But didn’t… cool cause she wasn’t that hot but shouldn’t make this same mistake for a future girl

Oh and the other half black butterface chick that I talked about was hot and into me … and she’s a regular too, Ill go meet her another time excited for that one

Drinking protein now and then writing this up quickly

Happy first report

Cheers,

Gem
 

Rage

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9/9

I want this journal to be mostly just a compilation of my approaches and experiences with women… and not waste time talking about too much else; but thought what I wanted to write briefly about right now was relevant and worth mentioning.

I had been reading this sales pages yesterday and more this morning and bought this product by Glenn P (not an affiliate link) http://www.attractiveapproach.com/same-day-lays/

Chase had recommended it in the newsletter a while back and I had been reading that one again last night and came across the product and Glenn’s site

I trust Chase and his word, and I listened to an interview of Glenn and read a little bit of his material and liked what he had to say

Excited for this, and from what I’m gonna learn.

I think there’s an element of effort put in vs. output received (80-20 principle) with anything where basically you can put in a ton of work but have it be less effective than work that was targeted and maybe not as difficult but more much more efficient/productive which as a result yielded you more results.

This is why I’m intent on learning from a field tested professional, and getting a product like this… all around just really eager for all I’m gonna learn.

My ultimate goal with my game at the moment is to have my lays become really truly effortless and thoughtless. And get to a point where I have several girls who can hit me up at any given point and I have to be selective of which of them I go to see...
 

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9/12

Hmm wanted to update this though haven’t done anything significant in the last couple of days…

I did legs yesterday morning squatted and deadlifted heavy and I’m getting a lot stronger (happy about that)… I realized that on my leg days that are like hardcore training days I usually don’t like to talk to anyone including girls and I’m like pretty dead set on working out.

Don’t think that’s good or bad just something I observed … I prioritize it over girls at that time, but I’m like hell bent on getting my heavy weight up and really doing my workout well (doesn’t get in the way much if I come early because most of the girls don’t start coming till later when my workout has neared the end).

What else…

Oh yeah I read Glenn’s book it was interesting. Glenn advocates routines and lines and stuff (some of them were really funny) … there were some neat things in the book; one of the things that I liked and that stuck out to me the most was something called the law of averages. Law of averages, Glenn explains, Is basically you go out any day and approach 10 girls (provided you’re a seasoned seducer), and of those 10 girls I think it was like 3 will be not into you, 3 will be into you but busy later, 3 will be available right then to go out and 1 will be available right then with perfect logistics for a same day lay (something like that lol).



University starts in less than 2 weeks for me and once it does I get to go back into the sea of women and approach and meet a lot of new girls.

I’ve gone out during the day in my town to malls and Walmart and stuff, and it's hard to find an attractive woman (because small town I guess). It kind of bugs me that there’s not hordes of women to approach too (and I’m spoiled in that I'm used to seeing and associating with hot women at the gym all the time). I’m complacent because I’m getting laid and I know schools is around the corner (where there’s tons of hot girls to quickly go meet) but maybe I should go out during the day before then even though when I go out I rarely see a girl attractive enough for my liking. Gym girls social circle and new girls at least allow me to keep my fundamentals decent and my feet sort of wet... but yeah I could afford to approach a little more right now.

Think I’ll go out a few days anyway, just to not be out of shape when school starts.
 

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9/25 FR, FU

First day of school.

Today was long day but a great day … I got a lot done today and was busy from morning till night but really productive and stuff to pickup wise (my goal with this journal was that it would be dirty edit or no edit so a few words of this might be off but I just tried to write it up as fast as I could, so yea hopefully this all isn’t too mistake-ridden)

Lifted a little bit in the gym but didn’t do anything heavy or serious today. Then went with my sister to visit an old teacher who we had coincidentally ran into the other day. Interacted a bit with a couple women I know at the gym; and visiting the TA the girl hit on me a bit (high school but a good looking and older looking girl for high school).

I haven’t cold approached in a couple of weeks. I went out twice since my last writing to go and approach but didn’t end up with anything worth writing about from those approaches/interactions.

First went to school and got to class. Girls in class were all ugly. I usually exp3ect that though my rule is that even if a girl is hot in class, by general rule of thumb she will be less hot then the super attractive girls you see on the street that you see and then just know you have to go and approach.

So first class was a drag and the chicks were ugly… but I built up a little social momentum talking to my group in class (and this built up more from the morning when I had visited the teacher and spent a little bit of time in the gym).

My parking was gonna expire so got an excuse to cut class early. I went and did a couple of warm approaches walking asking where a building on campus was (warmup really helps to get into state and used to holding fundamentals and just start up conversation with a random stranger).

First Approach (FR)

Saw a really stunning brunette girl sitting down in an open area. I had initially saw her and then wanted to go sit next to her and then didn’t because thought no she must have a friend that’s gonna come and meet her soon… but then went to the bathroom and told myself to not think and just move my body and then doubled back and approached.

It went well.

‘Fundamentals were good, and our interaction was decent (she was into me from the start; next girl wasn’t though lol).

Is it all right if I sit

Yea Sure

Yea it’s kind of sunny everywhere else you know … go on my phone for a second

are you waiting for a class (she asks me smiling ) right then

oh yeah I have class at 5, do you have class

yeah I have class at 4

I don’t remember the bulk of this interaction … I deep dove her well and learned a good bit from her

She's an electrical engineering major and hot… there aren’t really a lot of girls in engineering and pretty girls especially the other girls are all like really ugly and stuff” she smile and blushes so I get that she's not super high empathy towards people (cool!).

I ask her major, year, whether she lives on campus or not, how old does she think I am, is she doing her major cause she wants to or did she get roped into it, she was from a small town what's it like to live with others from the first it me and in a university city for first time, has she been able to make friends had trouble making friends, is she outgoing or a loner

Got number and closed and will see her for a date another time.

Second Approach (FU)

Girl sitting down in cafeteria upstairs, go and sit next to her

Hey have I met you before you look familiar (didn’t like this opener but never used it before and wanted to try it)

I don’t think so smiling I'm a freshman

Oh ok how do you like it ….

I pretty much do the same with last girl and light banter and deep dive her with good fundamentals and stuff

She's not hooking like the last girl did, but that just makes me unsure if she's into me or not

Have you gotten food?

Yea I ate a while ago

I have to go get food right now but maybe we could hang out some time later get food or something (exact same thing I said with last girl and with I know you wanna fuck me fundamentals)

She says she doesn’t think she’d have time for that because she's so busy with school (my first time ever getting rejected!!!! With it not being a boyfriend I mean; this hasn’t happened to me yet)

We smile at each other up till the end of it though

All right, hey well say hi if you see me on campus then and she smiles I will

Other Approaches

I ended up approaching/circumstantially and cold approach 10-12 other chicks today

But those were the only interactions that stood out

One FU and one number; and met a couple other girls but found they weren’t too attractive or I missed the moment and they had gone before I could go direct and learn more about them and stuff

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/25

-Was pretty slow but work to be a touch slower and have a little bit more pauses in interaction; in addition to this hold eye contact a little longer and let that sexual tension last that magic few seconds longer between the two of you

-Bust balls of girl in calibration to the girl, do a little and then gauge her reaction and turn down or up (adjust) accordingly

-Don’t spend time talking to guy friends or other unhot girls you know when you see them on campus: because it just takes away more time from getting to go out and meet a new girl

-Practice being able to make up your mind that you'll go approach, just right when the conception of the thought comes to your mind

EDIT: Both girls I had guess what year I was; both correctly guessed I'm 3rd year (means Im doing good with looking older potentially, because in general I look young as fuck ... even with muscle and facial hair). I told both of them "wow, you're good".
 

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9/26 No Approaches

Today was a Friday so a lot less people at our school today. I had really wanted to approach today but didn’t get to.

Missed one or two opportunities today to approach (but all were really fast approach scenarios; where I would’ve had to just go as soon as the thought first fcame up to my head… like I mean seeing a girl and next second she's gone). I think its probably against human nature to be able to just think and act see the girl and in that split second each and every time… you can only get better at it through routine, habit and deliberate practice. It works the same way that you can’t just magically wake up and decide that you're gonna do everything you should be doing… would take too much will power; instead you can only habitually and methodically get better and better and at some point you're really fucking good (but even then never 100% infallible I think).

Bantered a bit with a couple of friends I circumstantially ran into.

Also, main reason I didn’t get to approach today (though I really wanted to) was hanging out with an old friend who I hadn’t kicked it with all summer and he offered to meet up for lunch. Was chill the first hour or so and good to kick it… but I was itching to go meet girls and told him “dude I wanna fucking leave you now and go pickup girls” Lol… he dropped me off at the health center so I could get some free condoms and we split up.

Campus was almost empty at this point, and I had like 30 minutes to class.

I explored for a good place in the hotel where I could pull girls for sex (preparing for dates/escalations down the road). There was this really good place I had hooked up with a girl somewhere in the hotel… the hotels really cool because there’s like forest and hills at our school and like a hidden staircase just chiseled into the fucking mountain hidden in plain sight (and known only by hospitality majors; hospitality major girlfriend revealed it to me freshman year; blew my mind that there’s a hotel on campus).

The place is like a big rec center and hotel just like a quarter mile up the hill and no one walks that way or knows about it. Went looking and found some conference rooms but couldn’t find the hotel rooms that I had found with the last girl several months ago. I tried a few doors that were locked (maybe they weren’t last time). But even then there was a lot of it that I didn’t get to explore because class was gonna start soon.

Gonna go back and search and find a good place for creating my own logistics (https://www.girlschase.com/content/sex-l ... ual-places) . I hiked a bit on campus with my friend I had lunch with today, but don’t think I’d be down to bang it out in the middle of a fucking forest lol

I love exploring and the spontaneity of it; when I will take a girl up there Ill make sure to pretend that I’m not really sure where we’re going and having just a first time blast as she will be.

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/26

-try to get better at thinking and approaching and deciding to go for it right when see the girl; it’s a little tougher to integrate with my slower low key style but should still practice at lowering the time between first sight and deciding and going to approach.
 

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9/27 No Approaches

Today was no approaches but worth writing about.

So I went to the gym in the morning today to do a light workout. I talked to the milf from viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7850 ... haven’t talked to her much maybe once or twice since this last occasion.

Talked and it was some silly banter and my fundamentals were decent but I realized that that original attraction’s expired (and that my game seems to be shit in social circle… in comparison to cold approach). Any time I do anything in social circle it just becomes clearer and clearer to me that (despite the different setting) the core principles still apply and are what matter most.

Those include: moving fast and then even faster; simplifying, getting a number or moving and if not then just ending the interaction (and not spending time getting into the trap of orbiting or getting reactions minus results from a girl).

I found myself nervous a bit (inside myself) while talking to this girl… didn’t visibly affect my game but internally yeah affected me a bit... kind of that school girl crush effect where she's really not that hot at all (but in your head she is and it fucks with you).

Makes me laugh to get that though… I don’t wanna include interaction because I've sort of been suspecting that writing out an interaction can sort of get me to subconsciously think about the girl I met or interacted with more than I should (and maybe make her more than she actually is in my head; kind of the same way the rating scale can do that)… and I feel abundance, sure, but especially until my abundance mentality is really high, I probably shouldn’t go out of my way to write lengthy interactions and think about a girl a ton through them.

Oh, another thing I realized is that just in pure social circle environment, my natural style of game doesn’t come out and isn’t used (which is not good). I don’t interact the same I would with a cold approach girl. I’m very smooth and mysterious and low key with a cold approach date … but with social circle I try to be more fun and playful and stuff but not sure that it’s gelling well with my natural stylistic leanings (it’s too similar to like hanging out with guys).

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/27

With gym social circle what I’ll do is keep doing cold approach and if I see a new girl go and run my game and get number and go back to working out.

But not spend extra time thinking about social circle girls… as my game improves and I get more preselection from potential new girls (though many don’t come to the gym in the early morning) any social circle girls who want me will come to me and I could just go from there (would be my guess).
 

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Gem said:
9/26 No Approaches


Missed one or two opportunities today to approach (but all were really fast approach scenarios; where I would’ve had to just go as soon as the thought first came up to my head… like I mean seeing a girl and next second she's gone). I think its probably against human nature to be able to just think and act see the girl and in that split second each and every time… you can only get better at it through routine, habit and deliberate practice. It works the same way that you can’t just magically wake up and decide that you're gonna do everything you should be doing… would take too much will power; instead you can only habitually and methodically get better and better and at some point you're really fucking good (but even then never 100% infallible I think).

Campuses are interesting places to pick up. I notice when I'm on them I miss like half the cute girls I see just because of logistics or not noticing them fast enough. I think you're right though: you can train yourself to not miss them that much. It's definitely a process.

Good stuff; keep it up !

Howell
 

Rage

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Hey Howell! Thanks for the reply, and welcome to the boards.

Yeah my goal is to make it as much as an impulse reaction as I can (like when I feel it in my gut that that girl's cute I go and approach with little to no rationalization or hesitation from beforehand).

A lot of girls on my campus but just the average girl isn't particularly good looking... which is good in the sense that it encourages me to take advantage of the situation when I see a pretty girl because I might not run into another one after her for quite a while (and forces me to walk around and search and play a numbers game).

This journal will be mostly my campus approaches (and the occasional new girl or 2 I might run into at the gym) so feel free to drop by from time to time for reading/providing thoughts and critiques :)

Cheers,

-Gem
 

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9/28 No Approaches

Today was Sunday; went to my sister’s university today to drop her off (her first time going to college and this was like her sendoff to college pretty much; worth mentioning I think typically I’ll have no approaches on the weekends and approaches only on weekdays because I have class on weekdays only).

Today texted the girl I got number from on Thursday. Waited 3 days not really intentionally but it was just kind of in the back of my mind and somethig that I hadn’t really gotten to doing. Proabbly better for me to have done it sooner within a day or so. I think it might be safe to call it a rule (if I think back to previous numbers) that each day you wait to text a girl increases the likelihood that she doesn’t text back.

Well this one didn’t text back; she had seemed really into me and I had liked her too (a hot girl that was an engineer; not something common haha). This thread had good insights on the issue viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4162. I had the option of calling her later at night but chose not to (just a feeling in my head; it'll be better for me to go and get a lot of new numbers instead at the moment…)

And its happened quite a few times that these flake girls I run into again on campus and something sort of starts up again between us like that (so if that happens cool; if not well there’s a ton more pretty girls out there just waiting for me :)

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/28

- Wait a day (at very most 2) to text back girl and set date after; if can do later that day (to do that follow up text), might be my best bet.

- When get the number of a girl, after getting it have a tiny bit of light banter and then leave: don’t just get number and leave because it becomes too robotic, unnatural, and pua-esque (had thought about this a bit; might have been my mistake with this number).
 

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9/28 FU

Well, today was an interesting day … ! Lol

I missed a lot approaches today… a lot

I think it’s sort of silly to just let yourself feel guilty (like there’s no need for it); instead I prefer to analyze where I'm going wrong what I'm doing, where I'm hesitating etc. I wanna identify where I'm going wrong and then work to fix it.

So what have I been doing wrong? I realized that I’m way too comfortable with slow approach and uncomfortable with fast approaches and uncomfortable with quick direct approaches. This style: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-g ... i-slowburn that anatman had written about some time ago describes me perfectly … both the good parts and the bad parts.

There were a couple of situations I missed with a seated girl (not moving girl) but didn’t approach quite simply just because I wasn’t sure how to calibratedly do the approach (but want to correct this and instead go and practice the more outgoing styles of approaching). There's a fuckton more people at our school this year! 6000 new freshmen and transfer students; our population grew by like a 15 or 20 percent, like a ridiculous amount. It’s ripe for mass approaching, and that’s what I gotta start doing.

I was thinking about it today and realized that it’s been over 5 years now that I began working on fundamentals…. My fundamentals overshoot any of my skill with game and they help me go a long way. I've gotten comfortable with slow approach because it’s been easy for me and is congruent with my natural style, and I don’t get rejected with it (like I will get the number 8-9 times out of 10).

I don’t have anxiety or uncertainty or nerves or any of that… just uncomfortable with doing something fast and flashy and going direct right from the very beginning; I feel it… I’m very close to getting really good (and just gotta really work on my bad points now).

I was busy around school doing stupid errands through a lot of today… got one approach/interaction in but that was a girl that came to me

Only Approach (FU)

This was at the end of the day a couple of hours ago. Was feeling kind of crappy and out of it … went to the bookstore to buy a book and everyone and there mom was there (crowded as fuck). I got my book and got in line and then I asked the girl behind me to hold my spot in line while I went and got some mints. Girl was attractive with nice tits looked like a younger girl (not the primary girl Id approach on the street but definitely attractive and a yes girl; she was like the equivalent of a good tinder girl you could say).

I’ll write most of this out (not sure if it will help me with much; but just to see the interaction and patterns in it and stuff) because I’m not gonna see her again and won’t fuck with my head.

With good fundamentals

Hey can you save my spot I’m gonna go get some gum

Sure

I come back

You’re gonna have to go to the back now

Is that right… are you gonna make me …

She smiles nervously maybe

Pause for a bit; what year are you

Freshman

Yeah I could already tell you that… you know how I could tell you that

How smiling

By how you're holding your book and standing their nervously and stuff… plus you look kind of young too …. How old are you

I’m 17

Wow ! you're jailbait

Oh wow … well I turn 18 soon (trying to qualify herself)

When

In November

November what

Some early November date

Thinking … so you're a scorpio then

Yea

I don’t believe in that shit though… do you


I liked this interaction, from here she went on to ask a bunch of questions about me. I deep dove her well and got a lot from her; It was cool because the line was fast but went quick talking to her… girl was really into me, really passionate and feisty and stuff (for a 17 year old; not an air head definitely… she said it was cause of her latin blood).

Later on we got separated but I caught up to her

Hey you were supposed to wait for me

Did we agree to that?

Remember I told you to wait for me sweetie? Pause where are you going right now … to your dorm

No, just that way, to go eat

Hey well I have to go my parking’s gonna expire but we should meet and get food sometime (this was like really smooth and done well calibrated)

I’m not sure I could

(makes me smile) you can’t? What you don’t like me? (I know she wants my dick and she has another reason)

I don’t think my boyfriend would like it

Oh a boyfriend? I’m not trying to be a boyfriend … we can go as friends you're not allowed to have friends?

I am.. like not guy friends though

It’s cool you can just tell him I’m gay and like it up the ass and stuff

She laughs oh so you're gay? ; we had some sexual back and forth before she knows I’m not but humors me here I guess haha … so you’d fuck a guy

Pause … sure if he's hot … (I think we’d been touching through all of this like real close to one another ) … pause… really didn’t have an out with this one my parking had a minute left; plus for a few other reasons was better to throw her back in the pond… being 17, not incredibly hot etc.) hey well I’ll see you then, say hi to me if you see me on campus (sexy eyes)
And then out

This interaction/approach went well… that girls well on her way to being a female pua lol… I was great through this (could’ve touched a tiny bit more and done a little better on the sexual back and forth) but one big thing was kind of lacking and that was my sexy eye contact. No exaggeration I kind of fucked up because my contacts were dying out (and I usually don’t wear them) and mixing with my sweat and my 110 spf sunscreen… my eyes were irritated as fuck so that might be why, but just in general I could up my eye contact a bit (will read the article on it and try to follow those tips. I liked this girl because she was sort of a new type of girl and a type that I didn’t recognize right off the back.

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/29

- Have a designated time for pickup and when it is that time, do pickup and don’t do anything else (just like when it’s my writing tie its time for writing and nothing else or working out time is working out and nothing else)

-practice breaking my style and go for fast direct approaches; try that out more and do them even though they will feel uncomfortable; in doing this, also try to go for quantity more than highest quality (will get better and more reference points through going for quantity)

-work on bettering sexy eye contact; read the article on it and follow the tips to get better at this (and maybe don’t wear contacts as much because they seem to be irritating my eyes)

-set specific goals for pickup for a day (just as chase suggests in his book); will set it like this: approach at least this many girls in this way in this style; set them doable and try and overshoot them (and if don’t overshoot them will at least achieve them)

The setting specific goals is exactly what I’ve been doing for weight training and it works; no reason I can’t do it for pickup too. As Chase said in the book: work hard and work smart and you can get larger successes than you could by just doing one and not the other
 
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9/30 FR, FR

Every day seems like an interesting eventful day …. I guess that’s from perspective and being a positive guy; but I like that I learn a lot every day and each day seems eventful and relevant in its own way.

I learned an important lesson today.

Not about pickup.

About parking. Haha

Our school added some 15-20% to the population and now parking’s a nightmare… pretty much I’ll have to come earlier to park (but I know a couple tricks to always get the perfect hidden spot of mine; can’t get it if don’t come early).

Because I was stuck parking today and I didn’t come early I missed the walking crowds and a large number of girls (and getting to approach walking girls) like that.

I wasn’t at school for incredibly long today and nothing super eventful happened but I want to keep writing in this regularly (even if nothing super special happens) to build the habit of it.

First Approach (FR)

I missed the waking crowds because of coming later today; tomorrow I have to carpool with a friend hopefully I get to get some time to myself to meet some new girls.

I saw a sort of pretty younger looking chick sitting in the shade and taking notes. I stopped nearby her and then had her wait with my stuff while I went and got some water (it doesn’t make logical sense but it doesn’t have to at all if girl is into you and your fundamentals).

I came back and a friend had joined her; I talked with her and the friend a bit and then left (freshman girls but both commuters).

I sort of realized that I approached this girl more because she was sitting down then because I thought she was really hot; didn’t get a chance too today but gotta start doing the uncomfortable walking direct approaches and get better at them/start doing them regularly alongside slow approaches.

Second Approach (FR)

Girl in my engineering class… hahahaha it’s funny because I was in engineering class and it’s just straight dick in that class (she's the hottest out of a whopping 3 girls in the class; and some 30 or so guys in the class) and she looked way hotter than actuality because of the rest of the class.

Pretty Chinese girl wearing a string dress she was small like A cups but pretty girl with a pretty face. We got to talking and I walked with her back to our cars; found out a lot about her and we have a few things in common.

An attractive girl but she sort of becomes social circle because Ill keep seeing her in class… I think the solution to that is just be sexual and playful in general while doing approaches regularly through cold approach (and then if anything happens, and I see an opportunity it does and if not well I’m getting the high quality girls from the approaching then its cool).



My fundamentals and approaching and nonverbal and convo and all that were really good with first girl and the second girl especially (who I had some things in common with and talked in length with). My eye contact better today too after reading the article and practicing a bit in the morning at the gym. I gave just the right amount and then took away and looked away just the right amount and was calm and aware and very well calibrated with it today.

Lessons/Things To Work On 9/30

-make sure not to say anything really personal from my end (not with a girl you wouldn’t consider getting even half serious with and never when it’s still early) because it works the same way when you deep dive girl: her finding out intimate details about you makes you like her more and think about her more and feel too connected to her… can reveal little things to be Byronic and relatable but nothing really personal or intimate (be careful about what you share)

-can try to get more investment sexually from girl early on and get sexual kino quicker (I could have used a little more of this with the second girl; would have to adjust for girl; but should try to hug and touch hold hand and sexual eye contact and stuff a little more from a little) … and try to work at getting sexual even faster; (when I’m doing everything else right I have the option to do it sooner and should do it sooner, all in the effort of making things faster and faster and speeding up the seduction
 

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10/1 No Approaches

No approaches today; carpooled with a friend today. My friend is a bit of a: https://www.girlschase.com/content/prote ... ing-either but we’ve been friends for a long time too, and he’s chill to kick it with once in a while. We had class early in the morning today.

Didn’t get a lot of spare time today; one thing that I did do that I’ve been meaning to do was go back up the stairway on the hill and look for that spot I had been to once in the hotel. I think that a door had been open there that was otherwise always locked. It’s a really isolated place with a nice view and good place to get intimate with a girl, so maybe will pull here someday soon (even though couldn’t find the indoor place).

Goal For Tomorrow

Feel excited to write a goal down; my goal for tomorrow is:

I must approach at least 3 girls­; at least one of these must be a direct approach, at least one of these must be a walking approach.

Lessons/Things To Work On 10/1

Today and other days too I’ve randomly talked to a lot of platonic girls (and part because I've been improving, they seem very into me, moreso than it’s ever been before). It’s important then (I think) that I be wary of not spending too much time with them because they’ll be really into me typically and that might mess with my head like described in this article https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-t ... xperienced
 

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10/2 FRx4

Hit all of my goals set from yesterday; my days have been long now that schools started. Like 12 hour days it seems like… which I’m all right with.

I realized something… realized that just on average and in general I talk to girls like all day. School, gym random instances cold approaches etc. almost all girls. I talked to at least 15 different girls today and maybe just 3 guys circumstantially. They find me attractive too; a plateaued point I'm at now that I'm meeting girls left and right and getting great reactions all the time but not getting laid consistently ... took a lot of work to get to this point where always seeing and meeting new girls and have girls into me, will work hard and smart and get to that next point soon enough.

One of the approaches I had was a girl that was pretty and was in a pyramid scheme that I had been to one of the meetings of before. Made me lol; got the girls number but she was into me as a business prospect and not really very into me on an attraction level.

Met a hot sorority girl but just talked to her a little bit and she was ridiculously like empty headed and turn off to talk too lol. I let her go didn’t bother trying to go out with her; she asked a few questions about me and was into me but I was just too turned off by her dry personality.

Both the above two girls were indirect direct approach (just complimenting them on their look and clothing and stuff later very briefly); I think that conveyed less interest and allowed for less interest from them; direct approach is more polar perhaps… And a better bet it seemed from my direct approach.

Had a couple interactions and approaches throughout the day but none super interesting; wanna write up the things to work on, feels to me to be the most useful thing and practically helpful thing for my journal.

Lessons/Things To Work On 10/2

- Spend less time approaching and do it during the peak hours. Around 12 at university is the right time; in just 1 hour will be able to meet way more attractive girls than by going out for several hours throughout the rest of the day and finding the 1 or 2 good girls in the sea of eh girls.

- Go for quantity and experience right now over quality; again going at peak hours and getting in a lot of approaches in a short period of time would be my best bet for this

- Work to open direct more it seems to work better; Be sexual faster, can work to touch faster and can open direct right from the beginning and have it all run much more quickly and intensely from the start
 

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10/5

Had some interactions the past couple of days; but more important things to write about:

I haven’t written in a couple of days… I’ve been sort of reflective the past couple of days thinking about life and my endeavors and where I'm at in progress of becoming skilled with women as well.

Friday I missed some 4 or 5 approaches because of anxiety/hesitation.

I’ve been realizing lately that I haven’t been quite grinding this seduction thing yet (haven’t done it truly yet).

I remember when I began to work out I was the very skinniest and very worst physically I could be. Girls were bigger than me (most of them were) and I was ridiculously thin; didn’t affect my confidence or ego much at all… but it was just that part of me had always really wanted to be strong, incredibly strong. I wanted to be known for strength: strength of mind, strength of character, strength of physicality. And I doubted it was possible that much was for sure… but when I started (just two years ago) I still remember that shit… I went hard as I possibly could I did research and learned shit but after that I worked hard and overdid it … with my training and with my eating too. 5000 calories a day I had done that training 3 hours sessions in the gym 5-6 days a week I had done that… overtraining overeating and seeing results faster than I could imagine … more time went by and I got smarter with my training and my eating; but from the start I had put in that hard work and didn’t give a fuck about what anyone thought or what could happen didn’t care if id get hurt or fat or weird looks for training hard or kicked out of the gym or anything… Hard work; devil may care attitude? Yea those would be some fitting names for my attitude… but I remember that … and I liked that too I realize I liked being not good at something and working to become really good … those first moments that initial grind where you are nothing but seek to gain just even the smallest bit of progress. That’s everything, that felt great; now with smart training I only need a fraction of that to do great with my lifting and I'm in the best shape of my life every day and progressing consistently and rapidly (as rapidly as I can at an intermediate level) with my lifts.

How it should relate to my game

Worst case scenarios/truly having no worries or anything holdling you back; truly not giving a fuck about what might happen and really believing that whatever happens I’ll take it I’ll put in my all and not give a shit about what may happen and “oh I hope it doesn’t”/

Worst case scenarios can mess with your head and thinking that “oh what if I get a reputation or a girl really hard rejects me and its socially embarrassing or something” don’t matter/ won’t happen ever like your brain tries to fear that it will.

Was reading this article from ricardus https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-s ... stant-date … and a report from anatman and hundreds of failures (for each of them) were key … and tons of approaches too… And I’m not stranger to this I realized failing lifts left and right now making progress with gain

Taking Advantage of my Opportunities

Fact: If I were taking advantage of my opportunities 80% of them if I did, I would have way more stories with women in the past week than I do right now… opportunities present themselves not too too frequently … but frequently… just frequently enough that I can take advantage of them 9 times out of 10 and get some sort of result or lesson learned from it.

Gaining weight was like that, whatever it would take every opportunity I would take it: when I had first started it was 6 meals a day 3 shakes a day; eating in class not studying because I had to lift, putting it over other things etc.

I haven’t obsessively worked on pickup like I have at all the other things I've gotten good at in my life

Vid Games or jazz musicianship or lifting or the other smaller achievements and hobbies that I got really fucking good in working day in day out putting hard ass work in putting years in and continually tweaking and adjusting and bit by bit bettering myself.

Haven’t done that for pickup yet; something I realize too is that I got to keep thinking that y game is shit and I got to get good… it will help me get into grind more. Think my game is shit and that I have to practice way more to get better

I haven’t put in that obsessive deliberate practice in yet; because when you sort of believe that you're good at something already or already pretty good it holds you back from putting your all into progressing with it becoming better becoming more (like the guys with genetics 10 times better than mine who chilled with their workouts and who I eventually surpassed).

Think that you know nothing and seek to learn the world (like Socrates).

Lessons/Things to Work On 10/5

-Truly follow your gut and just go for it fucking everything else in the whole world and just go for it); take advantage of every opportunity just randomly walking and see a pretty girl run and go meet her; take advantage of every opportunity and can do this by just feeling in my gut she's hot and then going and approaching…

Worst case scenarios should be out of my mind; my game is shit and has to get way better and I will put in the work to get there; the opportunities are there now I know how to do it and I know what to do it, the opportunities will come left and right and it will be my chief job to capitalize on each of them.

Anything I've truly wanted to become I've become (usually not in the way I had expected; not as easily and not in as short a time as I may have expected). But it has happened and it must happen; I will work on this obsessively and get to where I dream and aspire to be.

Sorry if the editing on this post is shitty (if anyone reads this post)

EDIT:
Had an epiphany: taking advantage of the random hot girls I see 80% of them would LITERALLY be the 80/20 rule in play ... Those small opportunities ARE the 20% that would make 80% of progress.
 

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10/6 FRx5

Well had sort of a nice rebound back into it day after the last couple of dry and/reflective quiet days. I had 5 approaches today and all were indirect (although sexual and attractive and stuff but indirect). Had 5 approaches all were indirect; 3 of them were walking 1 was nurse’s office 1 was sitting down

-1st girl was nurse’s office she was a nurse and only 24; we connected well she asked me a bunch of questions and I learned a fair bit about her. I liked this girl but didn’t go for her number because she wasn’t ridiculously ridiculously bomb (though pretty attractive) and because I wasn’t sure how nice her body was because she was wearing scrubs lol…

This was a mistake; and one I made a couple of more times today. I should’ve gotten her number and went for a meet, just for the sake of building the experience (and she gave me a blood test and took my fucking blood and then got me juice and asked me lots of personal questions like girls into you do … really had this one but didn’t go for it).

-2nd girl was directions to gym and then talking and then walking together for a little bit; didn’t go for number because girl not too into me so let it go

-3rd girl “hey do I look silly with this on my head (hoodie)” and then talked for a while and deep dived and stuff; this girl was quite into me and cute but let it go cause of same reason as 1 (and yeah wrong move should’ve gotten it anyway for the experience)

-4th girl “hey hold this” while walking I just made her hold my bag while I zipped my hoodie and we walked and talked together a tiny bit; funny ass hole type of opener I liked it, first time trying it… girl was into me pretty decent; didn’t approach for same reason as 3 and 1 -_-

-5th girl by this point it kind of hit me that you know even if she's not super-hot; if she's just cute fuck it and go for the number quantity will get me better quality and experience: https://www.girlschase.com/content/lower ... tter-girls

Wanted a number or to meet a girl I liked at this point…

This girl hated me ! HAHA; its rare I don’t think I've ever seen a girl not like me like as much as this girl did, usually girls like me or worst case scenario smile and could say objectively I'm attractive but that they're just not into me

I go and sit next to her, indirect open after 30 seconds:

Hey you should sit up that’s bad for your posture (gave her a sexy smile and everything was very attainable and balanced in this)

She says no! lmao and something about how she's only here for a little bit and gonna go soon super fucking bitchy and annoyed

Oh all right … paused just the right amount of moments … you're kind of tough huh

Says something else like bitchy and really like not attracted to me (and that’s like blowing my fucking mind, but in a funny way kind of like seeing something for the first time and being too amazed instead of frustrated or angry or anything like that

HAhaha … I pause dick around on my phone a couple minutes more and then walk off

I missed 1 or 2 open direct approaches today (walking). I find myself hesitating just slightly (only when going for a direct approach) and find that with the other approaches even if they are walking there were no hesitation. If I hesitate it seems to reduce the likelihood that I recollect and go approach before it’s too late. So need to work on direct approaching off the cuff and getting them good like the indirect/direct walking and other seated approaches.

I also missed quite a number of girls that walked by me (and that were possible but difficult really quick approaches or something where Id have to just act and probably have no real chance of being calibrated from the start but just do it anyway). I saw an incredibly attractive girl in the elevator also who I missed because there were others in the elevator too… something to think about, id like to be able to do these “impossible” approaches too in the near future

Lessons/Things To Work On 10/6

-if I meet a girl and she’s not super hot/dreamgirl hot and/or she's something I’ve seen before and really too familiar with her type; if she's attractive I should still go for number/date/ further with her…. To build experience; I remember chase here: https://www.girlschase.com/content/natur ... e-hook-ups how they guy that’s not doing game purely out of sex drive has the tendency to want to think and feel “been there done that” but it can be detrimental when you're still building up experience.

-Try using the stop and swivel game (have never tried it before); had a couple of girls walk by today who I found attractive and met eyes but it was just really truly split second and didn’t get to make anything of it viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7103

-Try approaching only with direct for a couple of approaches or for a day; I catch myself hesitating on direct from the start but need to build a lot of foundation experience direct approaching girls. It will get easy once I’ve done it and fucked up and learned a lot (just as walking game and just approaching in the first place were initially tough but soon got easy and doable through putting in the tough work when I was still relatively new to them)
 

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Hey you're pretty
Oh thank you blushes
What's your name
She etends her hand
Im x, im gem
Pause do you have a boyfriend
Yea I do
What really
Her yea kind of frowns a bit
Oh all right, well tell your boyfriend I said what's up sideways grin and then walked into the bathroom

Was a good direct approach and smoothly done; next time this happens should remember to get her number in case they break up or something.

I have my own notes that I write in every day for days stuff that happened, might still add to journal for different things or something, instead of sticking only with my evernote
 

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Have been off of the boards for a while, busy with various parts of my life.

Have moved out and gotten my own place in the village next to campus. First time I lived on my own for extended period of time was a couple of years ago as a freshy at university.

To say that I went out too much and was crazy reckless and stupid with my time and how I used it altogether would be an understatement; feels a bit tough to live on my own and am adjusting but finally have a place to pull girls now (and as tough as it may feel, it becomes clear that it’s a next step that I had to take).

Will potentially keep journaling (either keep journaling or begin getting some reports up or both) but good to be back posting again and good to be getting back into the game again.
 

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Gem said:
Have been off of the boards for a while, busy with various parts of my life.

Have moved out and gotten my own place in the village next to campus. First time I lived on my own for extended period of time was a couple of years ago as a freshy at university.

To say that I went out too much and was crazy reckless and stupid with my time and how I used it altogether would be an understatement; feels a bit tough to live on my own and am adjusting but finally have a place to pull girls now (and as tough as it may feel, it becomes clear that it’s a next step that I had to take).

Will potentially keep journaling (either keep journaling or begin getting some reports up or both) but good to be back posting again and good to be getting back into the game again.

Hey Gem-

Glad to see you're back in the game again too—same here. Shit, I almost forgot you're ripped as fuck... I want your body! (Lol, you know what I mean). I've been going hard core on weight training the last six weeks now and getting some pretty decent results—never had as much muscle in my life and I feel energized! Your excellent physique should be a huge asset for your with women.

One thing about pulling is that it doesn't always happen at your place... in fact, all three of my lays were at the girls' places. According to Colt, more than 50% of his lays were in public areas (Alek, too, I think), although it is harder to pull that off in Winter (pretty much left with your car... or bar bathrooms—erm, not my taste, lol).

Keep the reports coming, brother!

-M
 

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Hey mischief!

That's great to hear about you taking up weight training! I read your last report a few times and honestly it sounds some like some pro level game man, really super well done (and the girl phd neuroscience + all you say to describe her, sounds awesome, like a real treat).

Weight training is great particularly for what it does to your teatosterone levels (especially if you make sure to squat/deadlift/train legs twice a week) I know you are a master violinist, and yeah that rage to master obsession is what's neeeded to get good at seduxtion or weights. With my liftingn I think I'm only halfway or less than halfway through, but it's neat because when you do it it's very physical and you can attack it all with a do or die aggression fight to the death type of fervor that you don't see quite as much of in non physical pursuits you try to improve at and work towards mastery in.

Thanks for the ideas man definitely! To be honest I've been off the boards a bit and off my weight trwining a bit.just not crazy obsessing over it; and instead maintaining my skill but working to master seduction. I put that obsession into getting girls and working to get fucking good, some point fairly recently I felt that drive and was like fucl everything I want to get really fucking good at this give it the shot of a lifetime, work to the death at it and work to master it like I have worked at at other skills.

Besides school work and some gym time, I've been delegating much of my other time to studying pickup and going out in the field. Regualrly too, almost 7 days a week; I talked to 7 girls yesterday (and came out with 4 numbers) and 5 the day bbefore that.

Direct day game really smooth and calculated and calibrated has been working well. I have a girl coming over tomorrow and dates lined up for Friday and Saturday too.

Main reason I've been off the boards is that I don't wanna come back or spend too much time back till I can come back and be really fucking good (and contribute lots of value that comes with that). Just Liek you had those years in the dungeon doing nothing but practicing violin and I had doing nothing but getting better at lifting; I have to put that now into pickup.

Maybe I fail or fall short, but if I do it will be giving it my all. Will try not to be too absent and still Pop my head in now and then to the forums. But I'm working towards mastery wanna master it all.

Hope the same for you and the best for you man!
 

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Hey Gem!

I feel bad having left two weeks without a reply to you: I've actually had quite a number of ideas in mind with which to respond, but my sex life with this new girl has just spun off like crazy, and it's been time-consuming—in good ways. I've never had a girl lust after me like this one before—it's a bit overwhelming and a challenge to push myself sexually! She's also surprisingly cool with the idea that I still sleep with other women, too—I've never been so honest about myself with a girl and have her accept it. The last time we had sex (last night) she started talking very dirty, wanting me to tell her how hard I had fucked the last girl I was with—telling me to use her pussy like she was my cunt, however I want. We had just finished watching both volumes of the Lars von Trier movies, Nymphomaniac, to which she is now obsessed.

About the weight training, I've gotta say I love leg days—the simplicity of just lifting feels very focus oriented, especially since incorrect form could wreck your back for good. It feels like the most bang for the buck, time wise. Functional cardio feels amazing after it's over, but I hate doing it—feel like I'm going to die. All in all, since I love now having cut abs (a fact this girl loves about me), I'll continue to do whatever it takes until I have that full Daniel Craig physique all the way. This girl actually used to be a fitness trainer before going for her masters in science, so she's been giving me tips on form and such—I could be falling into another relationship, but this time it's an honest, open one.

I've approached seduction the same way as you: fuck everything else—let's fucking do this until I'm fucking good. That's awesome that you throw yourself at it like that—best way to climb the mountain the fastest! Keep those dates a comin'! Just don't think you need to shy away from the boards before you get good—the whole point of being here is to share knowledge and experience that can help us all get better even quicker. There's no shame in admitting your weakness—it's how we grow. Besides, it's anonymous anyhow. As Hector says, "pour your guts out!"

You never fail for good until you decide to give up. Treat each failure as necessary stepping stones to the path of success, and you'll know true power.

All the best!

-M
 
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