The Red Pill is in limited supply it seems...

[Estate]

I'm going off topic here since this is more of a rant...

Don't you sometimes wish you could just give some guys a good shake and wake them up!

Right now I just read another whinny post by a guy friend on Facebook. When I say friend, I mean acquaintance... friend of a friend. The guy owns a bunch of cats and basically posts cat pictures all day. One of the girls jokingly sent him a cat holiday e-card. I just have no idea why but he thinks the girls commenting on his cat pictures with "Aww..." means they are into him.
Yesterday one of the girls linked to a blog post... sort of a girls version of GC, entitled "Boys vs. Men"... the guy replies with these long whinny comments about how he's such a great guy and how he never does any of the silly "boy stuff but (*sob*), girls never notice...
In real life they guy is a little creepy. He is really shy and awkward but only he posts all this stuff he'd never say if you were face to face. He just doesn't get how creepy it is. When girls give him attention he seems to think they are into him but it's really in a "Aww... him, he's harmless, such a good friend!" type of way to the girls.

It's cringe worthy.

Another guy in the same social circle, I know it into Game by the way he talks, but he's one of those guys that "doesn't get it". He constantly negs everyone until they become irritated and walk away. When a girl was ignoring his texts lately he was convinced "he had her now!" as it was all part of the game (like... not at all that she was just IGNORING him). He constantly talks about how many women he sleeps with but we never see him with any. Recently after a few drinks I got a bit annoyed and sarcastically told him to change the topic... to which he got ultra defensive saying "I don't ever hear YOU talk about meeting any women"... LOL, if only he know... but I'm sure enough in myself not to have to let everyone know about every single girl I see each day. I prefer it that way, I only really discuss it here or with guys who "get it".
He's only real tactic is putting picutres of puppies on his phone and insisting girls look at them pretending they are his. Uggggh.

A third friend of mine... he's a closer friend... just bugs me at times. I've not really gone into the whole PUA thing but he also whinges a lot about girls never seeing "what a nice guy he is". I tried coaching him a little, or at least trying to give practical advice but of course he just won't take it. He's constantly friend-zoned but weirdly it only makes him chase the girls harder and harder and white knight the girls until they literally actually love him but in more of a "gay best friend" sort of way... "Next time we go out I make a move..." he tells me every time we go out... but it never happens.

Two other guys on my soccer team, creep ME out. We play in social co-ed leagues and these guys just DO NOT talk to other guys. They show up, creep on every girl on every team, leave with nobody, never make friends with the other guys and repeat again next week. Even the other guys on our team dislike them. Now this is what's funny... in PUA circles we all have a LITTLE of this in us... I mean, we want to go for the girl right? But in every day life... you don't want to be THAT guy. In a social environment split with guys and girls you need to be able to have a beer with the guys then be able to be smooth with the girls... but totally ignoring the other guys while being OVERLY outgoing to meet the women just gets noticed a lot. These guys creep me out.

There is another group... A lot of my friends from when I was younger. Most are married or in LTR's now. The thing is... I am not envious of a single one of them. One got married this summer to a beast of a women who is 3 times his size... not an exaggeration. Most of them just went for "whatever" when they gave up trying to talk to girls in bars and are in awful relationships with ugly women who have terrible personalities. Literally no redeeming features... I'd maybe be a little nicer if they really like these girls and it was a sort of "inner beauty" thing, but nope... even that's not there!

Sorry, I know that all sounded horribly judgmental but I'm not even looking for advice here... I just needed a rant of what was in my head.

Sometimes you wish you could just give a guy a shake and knock it out of him. But most guys just can't/won't want to learn any better.

 

[Marty]

Hey Estate:

Totally agree with what you write, although I've somehow contrived to escape the dubious pleasure of meeting guys quite as extreme as the ones you've described—which made it all the more entertaining a read!

My personal favorite is snickering inwardly when I see pretty women on their office lunch-break pathetically trailed around by friendzoned male colleagues, inevitably dressed in an unimaginative corporate "uniform" of open-necked, ill-fitting button-down and dress slacks, rounded off with shoes that are either prissy or clodhopping, but never masculine or classy.

The orbiters are usually yammering away about themselves while the females adopt the perfect "bored look"; from the excited expression on their guy pals' faces, you can tell that they're under the illusion that they're in with a chance... an indication of such abject social cluelessness that any hope they may have had of self-improvement, I'm afraid, has to be abandoned. Approaching from afar, a good indicator that this arrangement is in force (apart from obvious body-language clues) is that the number of "men" far exceeds the women. Often it is one woman with two guys in tow; but I've also seen two women with five or six sheepish males bleating in their wake.

I have not succeeded in refining my group approach ability to this extent, but I'd love to watch a Chase, a Franco or an NJ glide in and make off with one of the girls in front of their noses )

-Marty

 

[topcat]

two women with five or six sheepish males bleating in their wake.

Ahahaha, the imagery. This is gold.

 

[Smurf]

I know how you feel, I have friends with some qualities like that.

Sometimes don't you guys just wish you could meet some friends who knew about GC and were on your level? Or maybe get your friends into it? I don't want to get my friends into it because I'm scared they'll make fun of me (lame I know, but four of my good friends are naturals so...). The closest we've got to watching Pick Up is watching Vitaly videos on YouTube.

A little off topic there but yes, I do wish I could just tell those guys that you can't just SIT THERE! MAN! I also wish I could take some of GC's psychological stuff and different opinions on human nature into debates in class, but I have a lot of "feminists" in my class and I can't figure out how to word it where it wouldn't "degrade" women. I put that in quotations because they aren't true feminists, because I have nothing against people who actually have palpable beliefs.

The struggle is real HA!

 

[Estate]

Totally man,
Its not that I want to ram this stuff down anyones throat, I don't, and they don't want it. Most of these guys would scoff at it anyway since they are "nice guys who respect women and would never cheat or lie or hurt them" as cat-guy graciuosly followed up on Facebook.

Its just that even without GC, a guy can still man up a little and stop being a pussy. Sometimes when you see these miserable FB statuss or whatever you just fell like shouting "DUDE! Its totally within your control! Just stop whining on FB where the girls you want to get with are reading how miserable you are!"

This morning I woke up to at least 5 guys I know posting misery ridden status courtesy of their hangovers and female-less Friday nights... surely they can see it only worsens the problem!?!

I met a guy here this summer who was what guys here would call a natural. He was French Canadian, no real learned game but he would approach any girl he liked, you couldn't stop him. Sadly he's moved back home because we litterally tore the town up for a few months but its oh so rare you meet these guys.

Another friend of mine has been chasing one of French guys cast offs for 6 months now and hasn't even made a move yet talks about her endlessly to the point I'm just so over it.

 

[Eternity]

Shame we don't live near by, would love to game with someone who understands what he's doing. Shit, i've seen too much of the shit mentioned above enough to shudder in disdain. What is happening to masculinity these days? The number of white knights outnumber the men who know what they are doing with their life and women. No wonder women have bitch shields up so high sometimes, they need to filter out the weak boys from the real men. The media and weak parenting are probable causes for this.

For your pleasure, I'm sure you will nod your head to these articles:

1) http://www.returnofkings.com/14725/why- ... -necessary

2) http://www.returnofkings.com/20175/why- ... ecessary-2

P.S- While you're on the site check out Christian Mcqueen, has some legit articles on game.

 

[Marty]

Eternity:

Shame we don't live near by, would love to game with someone who understands what he's doing.

I know this was addressed to Estate, but PM me your location if you wish (I don't discuss mine openly on the boards); if by coincidence we're nearby, I wouldn't mind working with you a couple times to see how things go.

-Marty

 

[Estate]

Sorry to bump my old thread but as the drama continued I didn't want to start a new thread.

So this weekend I found out a guy I had met recently was quite the charmer. He plays it very cool though so I never noticed. However, the guy was hilarious this weekend. As we drove to town Saturday afternoon, some cute girls stopped at the lights next to us. He rolled down his window and asked her what she was eating... when she replied he asked if he could have a bite... got out at the lights, went over to her window then motioned them to pull over so we could talk.... I honestly have never even tried something like that with any friends, they'd be so shell shocked.

In contrast though, the white knights are still not getting it.

The "over the top" guy I referred to previously went on a rampage yesterday. Apparently he had spent his whole Saturday on "the most amazing date ever with the most amazing girl, he felt the connection, he could tell she had fun, etc, etc, etc...." only to be told on Sunday morning "Hey, you're a nice guy but not what I'm looking for".
His responce was to post on Facebook, a long rant about how all women are liars and b*tches, etc, etc... how he's such a great catch, such a nice guy, why does nobody but him see it, etc, etc, etc...
Needless to say, posting this so your 100+ female friends can all see it on FB? Hilarity ensued... the guy has pretty much now burned a bridge with every single woman he knows due to the things I said. Worse, he tried to defend himself then told us all how he has "no problem getting laid", etc, etc... I actually could not stop reading it was so entertaining. I almost feel bad though.
To listen to this guy he sounds like Player No.1. What actually happened was, he went on a first date with a girl he met online and it went no further. Que over-reaction about how amazing she was, how perfect their date was, how they were meant to be... and she used and lied to him.
Over-reaction much?

Of course it drew in quite a number of other white knights waiting to defend all the girls who they'd "never treat like that".

I don't know whether to laugh or cry sometimes. It was entertainment on a lazy Sunday afternoon, but I have to admit to feeling a little bad. A guy who's clearly trying very hard but trying all the wrong things, yet just doesn't want to help himself or change his ways. He has the determination to "get it", just not going about it in the right ways.