The Red Thong Epiphany

[James D]

A few hours ago, I was in a Burger King stuffing myself with a few more thousand calories than I should.

There was a woman sitting on my left.

Hunched over the table, she was intently focussed on some paper work while sipping on her drink.

She was quite cute but she wasn't standing out. She looked as ordinary as anyone who pops up at Burger King past 10 p.m.

Normal jeans, normal t-shirt. No makeup. Her hair wasn't done. She had boring glasses on. She wasn't having any kind of sexy body language.

Typical girl next door.

At some point, she bent over to pick something out of her bag.

Her jeans, probably a bit too large for her, slipped down by a few inches.

The start of her buttcrack came in full view, along with the very sexy laced red thong she was wearing.

It wasn't just a thong. It was the sexy kind. The kind women wear to drive men wild in the bedroom.

Actually, it was identical to the one my current girl sometimes wears when we fuck.

It came a bit as a surprise to me because that girl did not look like the kind of girl who would be wearing a red thong.

I mean, if you show me a sexy girl with full-blown make up wearing a mini skirt with high heels and you ask me "Do you think that girl is wearing a sexy red thong right now?", I'd say "Yes, probably."

But a typical girl next door who's not trying to stand out in any way?

Probably not.

I know the logic is flawed but that's how my brain functioned.

It reminded me of Chase's article on viewing women as sex objects.

This made me realize that while I viewed flashy girls as sex objects, I was still viewing less made-up, ordinary girls as non-sexual beings.

Now, I was confronted with the fact that this seemingly non-sexual girl has a sexual side to her which she happily expressed in her choice of underwear (altho there are non-sexual reasons a girl will wear a thong but this one was definitely a sexy one, the kind that entices men).

Maybe she came back from sleeping with her bf or fwb. Or she was on the way to meeting him. Maybe she just wanted to feel sexy and wore provocative underwear, as many girls do.

Seeing that red thong made me realize something that should have been obvious:

No matter how sweet and conservative she seems, whether she's a Muslim with a hijab or a cute mom dressed conservatively pushing a stroller, the chances that she's wearing a sexy laced red thong is no different than those of the more flashy girl.

(okay, maybe the flashy girl who's looking to get laid has higher ods of wearing a red thong, on average, but you get my point)

With that thought in mind, I left the Burger King and saw a girl wearing a long denim skirt, simple t-shirt, with headphones on.

Again, typical girl next door.

I pictured her wearing a sexy red laced thong.

Instantly, I viewed her as a sexual being and a girl I could potentially approach (I didn't tho)

Next time you're out, spot the most conservative looking girl you can find.

A girl wearing a hijab does it for me.

Now, realize that she could very well be wearing a sexy laced red thong right now.

The fact that she's not flashy doesn't necessarily correlate with what kind of underwear she wears.

After all, that's only for her and the man who manages to seduce her to see.

That man could be you, my friend.

(don't do that in Saudi Arabia or any Muslim countries though. Common sense is a fundamental here )

 

[Stark]

Great post James!

This is how I apply the objectification method (cred: Chase's article)

I stir up a very minor feeling of indignation on this soceital trick of converting women into non-sexual beings when they're clothed.

This gets me motivated to undress women mentally as soon as they roll into my periphery.

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When I see clothed women, the kind you described in the post above, I purposefully strip them down to their lingerie in my mind.

I have found that barely-clad women motivate you to take action(by viewing them as objects to be acted upon) more than completely nude women.

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If she has big boobs, I imagine her just in her panties.

Have you ever noticed that women's tits look way bigger when they take off the bra than when she was clothed?

I look at a clothed woman with big tits and imagine how low those are going hang when the bra comes off.

How those tits are going to bounce when she walks towards me in the bedroom just wearing her panties.

I wonder how her nipples/aerola might look.

If she has a huge ass, I imagine her from behind, wearing a thong, while keeping the bra on(somehow women look sexier with the bra on when you look at her from behind than without it)

If she's wearing leggings, I know that her cheeks will feel more supple to grab and they hang down a bit when the tight fabric comes off.

This kind of visualization indeed gets me into sexual state that's priceless when you talk to the girl.

The biggest ROI from objectification is raw motivation that you can't harness otherwise: especially on the warm-up approaches.

This is the most reliable way to turn off the logical brain and get after her.

Kind of similar to the feeling of approach excitement you described in your Burger King Hottie LR & Monica Bellucci LR.

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If a woman got me into this raw sexual state, I end up licking my lips(subtle and natural) without any conscious thought of doing so. When she gets nearer, I have the urge to say 'Wow' looking at her and I do.

Hector had touched upon this in the daygame course.

Women pick up on this energy and I'm yet to have a full blowout when I approach a woman with this raw sexual state triggered by objectifying her.

Somehow the opener tends to be more genuine than a pre-mediated one without substance or energy.

In fact, I've had interactions go much further than it would have in the absence of a sexual state with women who are not available.

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So my experience is - that a sexual state triggered by objectifying a woman generates a higher interest in her than without it.

In terms of metrics - using the objectification method gets you a higher ratio of Approaches/Successful opens.

Remember to convey a 'sexual vibe' not 'horniness' tho.

There's a thin line separating these 2 vibes. Women find the former lot more attractive.

 

[James D]

Remember to convey a 'sexual vibe' not 'horniness' tho.

There's a thin line separating these 2 vibes. Women find the former lot more attractive.

I like this!

Could you explain that thin line in detail?

I feel like I can see what you mean intuitively but I can't put it in words.

 

[Stark]

I like this!

Could you explain that thin line in detail?

I feel like I can see what you mean intuitively but I can't put it in words.

James,

Most men, when they get aroused, feel a sense of stiffness(pun intended).

Not only do their dicks get hard, but their arms, upper back, and legs all also get stiff.

Most importantly their facial muscles. It looks they have a death stare when talking to a strange woman.

There’s shame involved at some level.

In a way, their energy is stifled & not flowing. Similar to water in a pool.

They usually go home and jerk off thinking about her(example video below).

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Experienced seducer, enjoys radiating this energy in public. He celebrates this energy rather than hiding it.

His face is calm because of the certainty in his social skills to engage a strange woman amidst other people probably looking at him.

While talking to her, he immerses himself and her in the tension, and let it build. He knows when to diffuse the tension and when to amp it up. He's in control.

What if she isn't available and it's not going anywhere - he offers this energy to another woman who strikes his fancy.

In the movie Vicky Christina Barcelona, the character Vicky says to Juan 'Either of us would keep your bed warm, it doesn't matter to you which one'.

He agrees nonchalantly.

Exactly - That's the attitude.

Convey it non-verbally.


Horny vibe(Example)


Look at this example from Malena (Monica Bellucci I know) - those horny men gawking at her

In short, a horny man feels out of control with his arousal. He feels the tension and doesn’t know what to do with It. It rises & falls depending on the woman’s actions. He has no skills in expressing his sexual arousal in a social context.

Sexual Vibe (Example)

Look at Pierce Brosnan in this example.

He gets a full-on erection looking at the barely-clad Halle Berry.

How do we know this? She looks at his crotch and says ‘Wow that’s a mouthful’ indicating the hard-on she triggered in him.

Brosnan looks as if he wants to peel her panties with his teeth.

But he’s in control of his arousal and doesn’t let her innuendos to make him lose control. He masterfully pumps the tension till she can’t take it any more - he isolates & penetrates her.

The difference is his social dominance and the permission he has to undress her with his eyes and let her know he's doing it.

Practical Tip:

Some men have trouble getting into the sexual state because of certain societal programming in our subconscious

To overcome this, give yourself the permission to be a Dog(cred: Tony Depp).

Dogs are direct, when they see something that catches their interest, they stare at it, make their intentions clear & go after it.

Cats are the opposite.

Women expect men to be like Dogs.

So embrace your biological wiring, go after women, and show your sexual arousal.

They expect you to do it.

 

[James D]

James,

Most men, when they get aroused, feel a sense of stiffness(pun intended).

Not only do their dicks get hard, but their arms, upper back, and legs all also get stiff.

Most importantly their facial muscles. It looks they have a death stare when talking to a strange woman.

There’s shame involved at some level.

In a way, their energy is stifled & not flowing. Similar to water in a pool.

They usually go home and jerk off thinking about her(example video below).

—

Experienced seducer, enjoys radiating this energy in public. He celebrates this energy rather than hiding it.

His face is calm because of the certainty in his social skills to engage a strange woman amidst other people probably looking at him.

While talking to her, he immerses himself and her in the tension, and let it build. He knows when to diffuse the tension and when to amp it up. He's in control.

What if she isn't available and it's not going anywhere - he offers this energy to another woman who strikes his fancy.

In the movie Vicky Christina Barcelona, the character Vicky says to Juan 'Either of us would keep your bed warm, it doesn't matter to you which one'.

Exactly - That's the attitude.

Convey it non-verbally.


Horny vibe(Example)


Look at this example from Malena (Monica Bellucci I know) - those horny men gawking at her

In short, a horny man feels out of control with his arousal. He feels the tension and doesn’t know what to do with It. It rises & falls depending on the woman’s actions. He has no skills in expressing his sexual arousal in a social context.

Sexual Vibe (Example)

Look at Pierce Brosnan in this example.

He gets a full-on erection looking at the barely-clad Halle Berry.

How do we know this? She looks at his crotch and says ‘Wow that’s a mouthful’ indicating the hard-on she triggered in him.

Brosnan looks as if he wants to peel her panties with his teeth.

But he’s in control of his arousal and doesn’t let her innuendos to make him lose control. He masterfully pumps the tension till she can’t take it any more - he isolates & penetrates her.

The difference is his social dominance and the permission he has to undress her with his eyes and let her know he's doing it.

Practical Tip:

Some men have trouble getting into the sexual state because of certain societal programming in our subconscious

To overcome this, give yourself the permission to be a Dog(cred: Tony Depp).

Dogs are direct, when they see something that catches their interest, they stare at it, make their intentions clear & go after it.

Cats are the opposite.

Women expect men to be like Dogs.

So embrace your biological wiring, go after women, and show your sexual arousal.

They expect you to do it.

Man! thanks for explaining this!

And using Monica Bellucci haha.

I like how you contrasted horniness vs sexual state.

Really helpful, thanks man ))

 

[ChrisXKiss]

This was a lovely explanation by @Stark indeed! One thing that I have noticed sometimes when I have managed to access this sexual vibe while cold approaching is that women appear to be in disbelief that it can be real. Basically they can give this look Halle Berry gives here of: Wait a sec, this guy... who is he?, but they don't stay to engage in the interaction.

It's like they feel there is no way I can be that confident in my masculinity. Maybe it's because of too much tension created. So I feel that not being fully in your sexual state right away but transitioning more smoothly during the interaction can also be helpful.