The truth about guys that get hot girls.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Growing up I always believed that a guy who would get the hottest girl would end up being tall, having the looks of Henry Cavill, and the game of a professional pickup artist. I was wrong, and very naive as well.

Ever notice how when you are at a huge state university in the US, the guys who generally get the most action are either the athletes or the frat boys? But what is it about Frat Boys that makes them so attractive to college girls? I can say from my own experience it isn't their looks (a lot of em from what I have seen are overweight) and it isn't their game (most of them are drunk and loud most of the times).

But this is something that will open your mind, there are many guys even after college who are just like frat boys (don't have as much game as some of you do) but somehow manage to sleep with the hottest girls. And you wonder what happens right? Well here is what it boils down to.

Call it dumb luck or good choices, the guys who sleep with hot girls made key lifestyle choices.

The frat boy in college sleeps with the hottest girls on campus because:

1. He put himself into access with the hottest girls (who are usually in sororities) by rushing a fraternity.

2. He has made himself a part of their world, now his work becomes so easy that he can sleep with the hottest girls without that much effort while the GDI with good looks and above average game might not be able to get that quality (at some colleges this is actually true).

3. He is consistently surrounded by situations where he puts himself near hot girls and shows himself to him by being involved in their social world, something most kids won't do in college because they will say you are "paying for friends" by being in a fraternity.

It can go way back too, maybe he worked a cool job in high school where there were a lot of hot girls and managed to put himself near them. At that point having above average looks and minimal game will get him the hottest girls.

This is why I never get it why guys say they want to read books to make themselves appealing to women, hot girls don't care about that shit, they're hot girls.

So say you end up being this educated and well traveled man, don't be surprised if your Friday nights are spent watching porn while the party kid who found high school too hard is nailing two fine girls that night.

I am not saying you should give up your dreams but I think the community and others need to find a way to help young men out there make their goals in life meet with getting hot girls. Say a young guy wants to work on Wall Street one day, that's great but all that time spent at an investment bank will take away time spent chasing girls. So maybe we should talk about hobbies and interests a guy can take up that will help him meet hot girls.

Yoga
Photography

those 2 come to mind

 

[Thedoctor]

Proactivity,

I agree that you need to actually go out and meet women. You definitely have a point that some people just read and analyze but never actually engage. Often, the best learning tool is to go out and do it!

However, to answer your question here:

This is why I never get it why guys say they want to read books to make themselves appealing to women, hot girls don't care about that shit, they're hot girls.

The reason why guys read books, get on the forums, work on their fundamentals etc is because they're not naturals. The guys you're describing in your post are. Here's the difference:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/5-big ... %E2%80%9Ds

There are a ton of hot girls at yoga (one of your suggestions). But if you're the creepy guy in the corner who just leers at all the chicks, then you'll probably just be asked to leave eventually, and you will not be taking any of those cute yogis on a date! That's why guys read books so they can avoid being the creepy dude and become smooth, suave, and sexy.

Also,I agree that it does help to take up hobbies / interests that attracts a lot of cute girls, but cute girls are everywhere:

-walking on the street
-grocery market
-restaurants / bars
-coffee shops
-parks, pools, hiking trails
-bus, train
-etc etc.

So, if a guy wants to focus on something like investment banking, he can still find time to hot girls if he's willing to put forth the effort:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/time ... done-right

It is vital to go out and be around hot girls to give yourself the opportunity to engage them, but without the right tools (fundamentals etc.) you will get nowhere. And you'll spend your Friday nights watching porn, as you said.

Just my two cents,

-Doc

 

[Marty]

Proactivity:

If you don't mind my saying so, I think that while you do make one good and very important point (which I'll come to shortly), much of what you wrote reveals an exaggerated sensitivity to an aspirational image that is at best dubious and at worst totally false.

When it comes to the fraternity question, I fear you have allowed yourself to be taken in by the external representation of that lifestyle. By projecting an image of round-the-clock hot-tub parties and the like, the frat boys have succeeded in influencing your perceptions; if you were to take a peek behind the curtain, what you'd find going on the privacy of the bedroom is, I suspect, a great deal more mundane than you're imagining.

It's a bit like the difference between what a person shows on his or her Facebook page, and the reality of that person's life.

Where I do think you draw attention to a valuable lesson is as regards prioritizing the right things, based on your desired outcome. If you want girls, you've to got to work on yourself, not toward some peripheral goal—and put yourself in situations where you'll interact with women in the right context. Chase makes the point beautifully in How to Be a Sexy Man:

Most men, when they want to attract more women, start building their nests. This doesn’t work. I could tell you about plenty of other guys I know who are plowing themselves into advancement in their careers and making lots of big purchases and who do awful with women, and plenty of other guys who are dead broke and drifting around like me and are having success with women.

... The point I want to make is that most men target material success as the answer to getting girls, and it isn’t. At best, it’s a tool. At worst, it’s a distraction.

The more I think about it, the more I think men pursue material success as an attempt to woo women because it’s easier. You don’t have to work on yourself, you don’t have to critique yourself, you don’t have to change and go out there and fail and refine and get better. You just have to work hard, save up, and then BOOM!, go buy something. Now that you have this new toy, the women will want you… right?

Here’s the truth: women aren’t interested in toys. They might get excited about your car, but that lasts all of ten seconds and a ride around the block. Cars are mostly good for impressing other men. If you want to impress women, you need to work on you. Sexiness, you’ll find, is one of the primary ways you will do that.

On that issue, Proactivity, as The Doctor also mentions, you are very right.

-Marty

 

[Ross]

Proactivity, you're looking at all this in the wrong light. Your idea of how the world should be is not matching up with how the world actually is, and you don't know how to explain it.

Using your three reasons for why 'frat' guys slay more pussy, and applying it to myself,

1. I put myself into access with the hottest girls by talking to them in classes, the gym, in the library, and on the street. Not only do I talk to girls in Sororities (which bore me), but I talk to a wide variety of girls who are into all sorts of things.

2. I have made myself a part of their world, now my work becomes easy so that I can sleep with whomever I feel like without as much effort as joining a Fraternity, where I have to pay fees and volunteer my time.

3. Repetitive

In high school I chased one girl. I was unattractive, tall, and awkward. Joining a fraternity wouldn't change these things for me. I didn't have to join hobbies that I wasn't interested in to meet women. I see hundreds of attractive women every day; and if you're attending college, I'm willing to bet you do the same. In the end, you're going to have to talk to that girl, so it's time to start working on talking to them, rather than figuring out how to place yourself in an ideal situation.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

While both of you guys make amazing points about working on yourself to not be the creepy guy, what I am getting at is the access. Approaching women at a grocery store is not the same as working at a place that has a decent amount of hot girls. What you will notice with guys that consistently pull the hottest girls is that they have access to these girls on a weekly basis. From my experience of cold approaching, especially in small towns, small cities, and college towns is that it is very awkward. Sometimes you even have other people looking around at you while you do it.

In big cities, you can pull it off without issues but in the long run, social circle > cold approach when it comes to getting hot girls.

The fraternity lifestyle in college might be overrated, in some ways it is, but what it does get down is partying and getting laid. While the partying and getting laid might get old, the option is always there for the guy while a guy not in a fraternity will lack the resources to get the hot sorority girls at his university.

What I really don't get is all these guys doing things like learning how to play a piano or improving themselves for women, if it doesn't help you meet women, don't do it.

The toughest part IMO is finding that scene, finding that hobby, and finding that spot where attractive women congregate and making yourself a part of that scene, slowly. Reason I say it is tough is because

1. Those scenes are not easily found and some of them (bars and clubs) will turn into sausage fests fast
2. Breaking into that scene can be difficult and some of the well established guys there might even try to challenge you

 

[Franco]

Proactivity,

In big cities, you can pull it off without issues but in the long run, social circle > cold approach when it comes to getting hot girls.

This is only the case if you're cold approaching in party/bar/club environments. This is actually NOT the case with day game, which is what I believe Ross was referring to in his post. Day game can indeed net you the hottest girls with the same amount of ease as if you were in a fraternity at a college full of hot girls. The thing here is, you actually have to have the balls to approach women during the day... sober. Not many men are capable of doing that -- right away, anyway.

However, fraternities are actually a great way to practice being around hot women (and potentially get laid here and there), but it isn't necessarily the "ultimate" way to get hot women. Yes, you'll have the access to them... but you're not taking into account the fact that everyone at those social events or parties is in the same social circle. This can often cause potential problems when trying to bed a girl because you are literally trying to do it with ALL of her friends around. She'll have to be absolutely sure that there is no way she'll be socially reprimanded for slipping off into the night with you.

Now, the great thing about many of the exchange parties is that everyone usually gets a bit tipsy, and some girls will be willing to slip off with you in the night because their inhibitions are lowered. But you have to be very smooth with the way you doing things -- you want to be the byronic, sexy, mysterious man that none of the girls there REALLY knows all that much about. If some of the girls know a lot about you already, value you highly, and then spread the word around, then you're going to get boyfriend-zoned across the board with entire sorority. Good luck getting a girl to sleep with you before she expects a dinner date first and a proper courting process!

Ultimately, however, learning to cold approach women during the day is the highest level of access to hot women. They are everywhere, and you can approach ANY of them. So if your concern is just learning to bring home the hottest girls you can find ALL the time, then you should consider learning to take this approach.

- Franco

 

[Ross]

Quick example that I experienced today. Had me thinking about this post.

I was at the gym working out. As I was working out, there was a muscular guy being extremely loud, noticeably trying to bring attention on himself by yelling his friends' names across the gym and walking around the gym in between his sets. Yes, he's in a fraternity. In a rare moment, he said something to his friend at a normal voice level (quiet for him) as he passed me,

Loud Frat Guy: That girl is fucking cute.
Friend: Yeah dude.

Hearing this, my competitive juices started to flow. Looking out of the corner of my eyes, and I had to agree; she is pretty hot. Redheads in the gym always seem to be. I was reminded that you said frat guys are supposed to have access to all these hot girls.What did I do? I approached her. One part because she was cute and one part to make a point.

After I finish my set and jot it down, I see that she is kind of just standing there, not really knowing what to do. Obvious newcomer who is intimidated by the environment and nervous because she's in a new one. Best to be playful here.

Me: "Hey, what's your name?"
Her: "Ashley"
Me: "You're quite a beautiful girl Ashley. Hands down the coolest hair I've seen all day."
Her: "What? *blushes* Noo don't look at my hair!"

90 seconds later I number close and get back to working out. Broken down, I asked her a simple question to see whether or not she was open to talking, got the green light, genuinely complimented her, and made a quick, playful conversation. Much easier to learn this stuff than to join a fraternity just at the hope of sleeping with one or two girls a year, and much less drama for doing so.

 

[Marty]

Ross:

What did I do? I approached her. One part because she was cute and one part to make a point.

Respect. Imagine what she was thinking: rolling her eyes at those frat dudes who were mouthing off trying to impress her, and muttering about her behind her back, but for all their supposed manliness couldn't man up enough to say hello. And imagine how delighted she must feel that you did say hello. Just think how much more respect she has for you now by contrast with the uselessness of the competition.

Proactivity:

Sometimes you even have other people looking around at you while you do it.

Oh my God. And at a college party? You're gonna have other people looking at you when you go talk to that hot chick too, and not only that, they're gonna actively interfere and get in your way. And maybe end up sleeping with her instead of you.

Whilst when you approach a girl in the street, all you're up against competition-wise is her memory of the last man who approached her in the street... which was probably the last time she was in Paris or Rome. (One girl actually told me that.)

Now if your fundamentals are non-existent, of course, you can get validation at a party because the girls will be more or less comfortable talking with you, in a platonic way, through the social connection, whilst in the street they'd shut you down before you could open your mouth. But I've never, never had that happen and I've opened over 130 girls in cold approach. And if you think about it, those social-circle conversations are deceptive and a waste of time—better to find out upfront and target your efforts elsewhere, or work on yourself to improve your effectiveness.

On the contrary, the beauty of cold approach is that no matter what happens, it's a secret between you and the girl. Even if she tells her friends afterward, they don't know you and can't gossip about you—no one's interested. I'd say the most uncomfortable situations occur in social circle, where you risk looking like a loser in front of everyone you know every time you get rejected—which should be a lot if you're serious about improving your skills with women.

And this...

it is very awkward.

It need not be awkward at all. People around, if they pay attention at all, might assume you are old friends if it is done right. Just like Ross, I can give an example from today.

I was passing the Federal Reserve in our city at about noon today when a pretty young girl of about 28 or so gave me a very obvious approach invitation: stared at me hard, held eye contact and smiled. Right after she passed I turned and caught up immediately and opened her direct, saying that she had a lovely smile—not only does this reward her for the invitation, but it subtly sets a chase frame, as it implies that I noticed she looked at me first.

She was delighted and we started talking. She started telling me about herself and asked about me too. After a couple minutes I asked whether she was headed to lunch, planning to move her or number close; she said she had recently gotten married and was going to the bank to change her name on her accounts. I congratulated her, made very brief small talk and wished her a good day. The whole interaction took place in a relaxed and happy atmosphere. She was visibly thrilled at having been approached in the street in an astute and skillful manner and went off with a big smile.

Now, if it's fun and cheerful for both parties cold-approaching a young girl who tells me she's just found a husband and with whom I'd have no intention of pressing things further, why should it be awkward with a single girl who's delighted to meet you and wants to get to know you better, Proactivity?

-Marty