Trying to master the yes-ladder but hit roadblocks; Click for a convo example

[Big Daddy]

Hey gents,

I've been trying to master the yes-ladder recently because it seems like a very useful tool to get people to say yes, but even the first time I heard about it, it felt a little bit unnatural. I thinks it's because

1) people don't do this very frequently, so it seems a little bit odd
2) people keep expecting to see the point of my questions and become skeptical doing so
3) I'm left with the impression that the expectation lead woman to guard themselves OR they start to think "Oh, I see what you did there" and thus my smoothness takes a huge drawback. Take a look at the following example:

Me: So, do you like doing ABC, don't you? (Where ABC is something that could lead her to my place)
Her: Yes, why?
Me: I just wanted to know. And you like doing ABC because of XYZ, don't you?
Her: Yes...?
[By this point, she's already wondering why the fuck I'm asking such things]
Me: Okay, what do you say we head back to my place and do ABC?
Her (thinking): Oh, I saw this one coming

The main point of this post is not really the outcome of the yes-ladder, but rather how can I do it without having them to suspect anything or having their guards up by the end of the third or fourth question?

 

[shockbroker]

Re: Trying to master the yes-ladder but hit roadblocks; Click for a convo exampl

Hey man,

I use the yes ladder all the time in daygame sessions. I always go for the NC by means of a yes ladder. It's a scientifically verified technique, so not doubt about the effectiveness IF you can make it come across natural. Otherwise, as you've noticed, it becomes very 'gamey' and all-round awkward

I use a very simple yes ladder, and a very short one. My NC always goes like this (unless I'm totally in the zone from a long session and my verbals are all over the place but still very on the mark, at which point I have no idea what I'm saying but it's unicorns and rainbows out of my mouth so they say yes to anything):

*on a high point (this is critical)*
...haha yeah, so I have to go, I'm late already
but do you like coffee? YES (if no: do you like tea? YES)
great, we should have a coffee sometime. OK
do you have a French number/whatsapp? YES
(whips out phone like a pimp) can you type your number? OK

The point is that you don't wait for any reaction from her except for the YES and then immediately continue. Don't give her a chance to start thinking about this strange series of questions you're asking her.


In your case though, you're pulling her on a yes-ladder. I have no doubt that it could work, but I personally do it differently, maybe it'll help. In the hour or so that I'm chatting to her, deepdiving, eye-fucking her prior to the pull I just throw in a couple of typical chode-questions like: 'do you like music?' 'what kind?' and 'do you like movies?' 'what kind?' 'what food do you like?' Then have a conversation to compare tastes and see if you can agree on anything. That way you've seeded the pull.

Then, when the magic moment comes to take her home, again, on a high point (critical) I just say 'come on (it's getting chilly), let's go listen to some music.' I try to keep it simple like that but because you already have these 3 thing to work with you could also say you're getting hungy or want to watch a movie. The key though is setting the right frame non-verbally. If you're all polite conversation and no intent, then you might need a pretty strong yes-ladder to get her to come with you

Anyway. In theory you could use a yes-ladder here but IMO it would look contrived as shit, even when delivered non-reactively:

So, you're getting a bit cold too? YES
and you like music, right? YES
and I guess you prefer sitting on a couch to sitting on a stone bench? YES
OK, well then let's go. OK



I dunno. It could work. Sometimes some of these techniques really amaze me in terms of their effectiveness, but yeah, you'd have to test them...

 

[Big Daddy]

Re: Trying to master the yes-ladder but hit roadblocks; Click for a convo exampl

Hey shockbroker,

I've seen experienced guys pull girls using yes-ladder frequently, so yeah, I think it worth a shot. Going for numbers with yes-ladder seem more straightforward because you can ask her things that DO NOT look like you're trying to "game" her, but just discussing logistics. She realizes the fact and keep following your lead.

Things get more complicated when you want to use with more "delicate" topics, such as pulling her home or anything you might find using a yes-ladder might sound extremely off. For instance, I KNOW for a fact that I don't know how to transition into a yes-ladder, like the convo was just flowing and I just had the idea to invite her home, but rather a harsh, calculated "let me get her say a couple yeses and pull her home".

Your post gave me some ideas/pointers on how to solve this, however. See if you agree:

1) Focus on going for the ladder on a HIGH POINT; Warm-up the conversation a little bit and transition into the ladder
2) The first or second question of the ladder doesn't need to be related at ALL with my real intentions with the yes-ladder. For instance, my first question could be "do you like the blue color/your friends/dogs/paintings?" as long I can stack a couple of yeses.
3) Keep your questions short.

I often fuck up in the third point as well. I don't like opening the question very much and risk the yes-ladder by getting a no as an answer. I might have to risk it a little bit more to see how far I can push with this. Let me know what you think!