Verbal Escalation Vs Physical Escalation

[PureGold]

Question: What is the Point of verbal escalation when you can do it physically?

 

[trashKENNUT]

What is the Point of verbal escalation when you can do it physically

It's something worth thinking!

I need more info, to clarify so I understand your question, and where you coming from.

The point of verbal escalation, aside from 'sexy talk' (which is for me, more down the line during movement to getting the lay).. is when a female is legitimately not showing any signs of (desire).

Enough number of girls are just "awkward".

And you need to 'move' girls. Whether that is to move her when it is a crowded place, to move her when you going to grab a cab/taxi/uber, or if you in the house, to move her to the bedroom.

Also, if you are a newer guy in pickup, verbally escalating is like having a laser sight as a guide to what you are doing physically.

(There's also fear of the girl misinterpreting you and you are being viewed as a creep. Thus verbal escalation)

z@c+

 

[PureGold]

It's something worth thinking!

I need more info, to clarify so I understand your question, and where you coming from.

The point of verbal escalation, aside from 'sexy talk' (which is for me, more down the line during movement to getting the lay).. is when a female is legitimately not showing any signs of (desire).

Enough number of girls are just "awkward".

And you need to 'move' girls. Whether that is to move her when it is a crowded place, to move her when you going to grab a cab/taxi/uber, or if you in the house, to move her to the bedroom.

Also, if you are a newer guy in pickup, verbally escalating is like having a laser sight as a guide to what you are doing physically.

(There's also fear of the girl misinterpreting you and you are being viewed as a creep. Thus verbal escalation)

z@c+

My question might also be formulated as follows:

in order to escalate with a girl in a date, Is it worthy to sex talk or is it better to just escalate in the Physical Ladder?

 

[Teevster]

Question: What is the Point of verbal escalation when you can do it physically?

* Verbal is better to set frames, which affects the whole interaction
* Non-verbal is better at amping up her horniness

Now, non-verbal (physical escalation) does also set frames, but less so than with verbal game. Verbal game also allows you set more complexe frames.

And verbal escalation can also amp her up, but usually (but not always) less efficiently than physical game - although hypnotic patterns and explicit sex talk can go toe to toe with physical escalation, although harder to pull off.

Frames are sustainable. Buyers temperature (making her hot and horny) is not. You escalate her buyers temperature, and she may peak (in horniness), but it will eventually crest, and then unless you have solid frames (social frames such as rapport and investement, but also sexual frames) to fall back on, you lose the girl (she will turn cold - we call this "FSC" - "female state control").

Frames (which are more easily set with verbal escalation) on the other hand are not prone to these pitfalls and are way more sustainable - basically you can make the interaction sexual without having her peak. Unless you can bang her right there, or extract, there is no point in peaking.

Also, the stronger the sexual frame (which again is easier set with verbals) will affect how easily you can escalate sexually. A strong sexual frame makes the physical escalation slide like melted butter.

It is also harder to tackle resistance with non-verbally. Verbal escalation offers the possibility to not only dodge, but also tackle and even reframe her resistance. You don't have these options with non-verbals. With non-verbals, you can at best back off and "let her breath" and persist if the vibe is right.

And lastly, even though physical escalation can increase compliance ("attraction"), it still requires a certain minimal baseline of compliance ("attraction") for it to work (imagine escalating on a fully non-compliant girl - it won't work, and may even get you into trouble). Verbal escalation (if done right - that is, avoiding going direct, but rather go indirect) does not require much compliance (if any at all - although I will agree, any interaction starting with 0 compliance will be challenging) to work (unlike "non-verbal" escalation).

Basically:
- Physical (non-verbal) escalation is best at escalating the vibe, increasing her horniness
- Verbal escalation offers more control and is better to set more sustaianble frames.

So I think the clear is answer: both are useful at different phases and different situations (dancefloors for example, requires you to go 100% non-verbal right - unless you pull her away from the dancefloor). Ideally, you would like to combine them - this is the best strategy hands down:
- Set strong frames, strong sexual frames, preventively deal with potential resistance (caused by ASD) and create a setting where the physical (non-verbal) escalation will go smoothly. You also increase compliance while doing so. Once the time is right (you feel you can extract, or escalate to sex, you switch to physical escalation)
- Once you have a strong sexual frame and the timing is right (timing is EVERYTHING - in this case that would be whenever you feel you can escalate the interaction by either extrating/pulling back to your/her place or escalate to sex), you will get away with more physical escalation with less resistance.

Makes sense?

Best,
Teevster

 

[Teevster]

And you need to 'move' girls. Whether that is to move her when it is a crowded place, to move her when you going to grab a cab/taxi/uber, or if you in the house, to move her to the bedroom.

I think this is a good way of establishing rapport non-verbally. But I am not sure I would label it "non-verbal/physical" escalation. But i won't argue semantics, because I can totally accept some people seeing this as escalation. However, I would be curious to know why you would categorize this as "escalation".

-Teevster