Weekly Discussion - Openers

[Regal Tiger]

@Warped Mindless gave me the idea to start this thread by mentioning something like this in another thread. Hope this is what he meant

I'll be honest I don't know if there are rules for this kind of thing, or where it even belongs but here goes!

Let's start by talking about openers (mostly because it's the first thing that popped into my head lol)

I have been meaning to try something very new, but never seem to think on it. Or when I do, like today, I psych myself out of it. Oops!

But the opener is basically doing what Joey from friends does 'how you doin?' but said in a suggestive way

I think it's a good thing to try. But again, gotta go test it

Other openers:

"On your left" when walking behind a girl. Grabs her attention and you can joke like "I try to say something so I don't accidentally freak people out" -- they giggle and from there you can deliver a compliment for it to be similar to Chase's indirect direct approach
--> if they don't giggle or seem all that interested then all good! It wasn't a 'real' approach anyways and you can move on pretty easily/under the radar

Something that I don't think works all that well, or would pair well with The Joey would be asking someone how they are and when they politely ask back "well I'll be honest... I'd be a lot better if I knew your name". Usually gets a giggle but I feel like it's more for my own fun and to get me going than anything

Then there's Hector's pacing direct approach, if anyone has his daygame course that does its job of getting you into a conversation. Although I admit I need to do a better job at coming up with compliments when they're in spandex and a gym bra/top lol. All I got is cute/adorable/hot/amazing

 

[Skills]

Brah, you first need to field test multiple times an opener before writting a post no the other way around...field test means it worked at high odds rate..

 

[Derek da man]

Liking the idea of increasing the variety of situational options I have.

Can't see me pulling off the Joey thing but I like @Regal Tiger "On the left" or similar.

So my go to in a busy supermarket is "Woah It's like driving a dogem around her today" after having just weaved my trolley past/around her said with direct eye contact and a smile. If she giggles or responds then I'll follow with another situational observation to gauge her interest further. If she's not responding then it passes off as not a real approach anyway.

 

[Regal Tiger]

Brah, you first need to field test multiple times an opener before writting a post no the other way around...field test means it worked at high odds rate..

A) this isn't tactics and techniques
B) I'm extremely upfront about what I have and have not tried
C) There's more stuff about what I have tried than have not tried
D) This is more of a fun thread just to talk about a topic in general, hence why I put it in general
E) You didn't talk about openers at all but rather came on here just to chastise me. Why? If you don't like the thread then you don't have to participate
F) I assume you know more than I do about seduction in general so I'd love to see your thoughts about this stuff! Feel free to participate!

 

[Regal Tiger]

Liking the idea of increasing the variety of situational options I have.

Can't see me pulling off the Joey thing but I like @Regal Tiger "On the left" or similar.

So my go to in a busy supermarket is "Woah It's like driving a dogem around her today" after having just weaved my trolley past/around her said with direct eye contact and a smile. If she giggles or responds then I'll follow with another situational observation to gauge her interest further. If she's not responding then it passes off as not a real approach anyway.

Haha that's funny! And sometimes true when they got a squirrely wheel

And yeah, the 'not really an approach' I think would be good for beginners or when there are a lotta people around and you want to ping people without burning bridges. Or look like you're approaching

 

[Zoro]

I’ve found that pre-opener plus situational opener works best for me. Hard to do during streets stops though.

For street stops, a unique compliment with the right energy has worked once in a while for me.

“Wow, you are so cute”
“You are gorgeous”
“Hey I thought you were cute so I wanted to say hi”

These lines have actually got me dates. But with a lot more rejections and dead ends in between.

Yes, I know these are basically neo-direct lol. I don’t actually recommend these, but with street stops I am still learning the right way to do the approach.

I think the times they worked it was a combo of her liking me as her type, appreciating the approach, and I delivered the opener with good vibe, plus handled the rest of the interaction well.

 

[Warped Mindless]

I only have a few minutes so I’d like to chime in on a quick point and then ill come back later to add to it…

People place a lot of focus on “what to say” during the opener but its vital that you remember that words are only part of it.

Your opening rate will increase if your fundamentals are handled (dressed well, in shape, good body language, seem calm and confident, etc).

In addition to your fundamentals you want to open in a way that doesn’t startle her.

You will also have more success if you open women are are most attracted to your “look.”

In the marketing world we have something called The 3 M’s which are Market, Message, Media. You want to take your offer (what you are selling) are customize it to the target market (the people you are selling to), using the right kind of message they most relate with, using the media they actually use. They way you would sell something to 20 year old urban females is different than how you would sell you 70yo white suburban men.

If you like a certain type of woman you will have better opening success if your look and approach is tailored to them. I once had a client who liked super high class girls who dressed up extremely well and fashionable. He was also rich (owned a tech company) and decently good looking but he rarely found these women and when he did he had little success starting conversations with them.

He usually wore track pants and a hoodie and hung out in dive bars.

What ”look” do you think these fashionistas are attracted too? Track pants and a hoodie? Nope. Do these women hang out in dive bars? Rarely.

I put him in a custom suit (minus the jacket) and vest, rolled up his slevees, added some cool accessories to him, changed his hair cut, and took him to high end Lounges. He started to do very well.

Had another client who liked “punk rock/emo/scene” girls but dressed like a stereotypical computer nerd and never approached at concerts. I changed his look and his venues and he was better for it.

In both situations they could have been using the same opening lines and tactics but the change of their M’s had a very positive result on their success rate.

So how do you dress if you dont have a specific type of women except “hot?”

Something I just call The Hollywood Badboy style. Think of celebs who are thought off as “bad boys.” How do they dress? You can also do a google image search for “men’s badass style” and find a lot of good picture inspiration.

Something a bit more advanced would be to change up your speech patterns and customize it to the type of women you are approaching too but that needs to be covered later.

I’ll chime in more later on actual opening tech I use.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Ok meeting is delayed so I have time to chime in with a few more quick thoughts.

Keep in mind that women can and will reject you for one of a million reasons and many times it has NOTHING to do with you and everything to do with her.

Back in the day I noticed that my clients would often take a failed opening very hard. They equated it with a rejection of their opening to a rejection of them. BS! She doesn’t even know you enough to reject you. She is simply rejecting your opening attempt and it may have been the best opening attempt in the world… maybe the problem was on her end! You dont know so stop letting it effect you.

I once walked up to a girl and used some situational opener. She looked at me, smiled, and said “that was smooth AS FUCK baby but I’m gay as it comes.”

Maybe shes gay, maybe her best friend or dog just died and shes NOT in the mood for men, maybe shes in a horrible mood, maybe shes not a fun person, maybe shes dating me (or another guy of her dreams) and is happy as fuck and truly not interested in other men, maybe this, maybe that… who cares?

Trend Analysis.

That is a fancy way of saying you should keep track, over a period of time, how many women you can successfully open. Over time that number should generally trend upwards as you fix your fundamentals and get better and more comfortable at opening. That said, while you should keep track of the trend (macro), you should NOT worry or care about any individual girl or group you open (micro) because you will often have no idea why any individual one rejected your opening attempt. Maybe it you, but maybe it was just her being lame.

I dont even like the word “Opening” and think its dumb. To me its more about gaining mutual attention and then me using the first few moments to screen her and see if shes cool. Over time you will get very good at QUICKLY sizing up women And realizing if they are cool or not.

Sometimes ill open and she will hook but ill still eject because I’m using those first few minutes to SCREEN her and even if it goes good, if I detect a frumpy lame girl… im out! Have some standards and respect yourself. Your time and dick are worth more than lame women no matter how hot they may be.

Anyways i’ll be back later to add more to this.

 

[Regal Tiger]

I’ve found that pre-opener plus situational opener works best for me. Hard to do during streets stops though.

One thing I plan on testing for a pre-opener on street stops/park stops is getting in a big stretch when I'm like 20 or so feet away. Then gauging if she'll make eye contact or something when we get closer. Have no idea if it'll work or not, but it's all I can think of lol

For street stops, a unique compliment with the right energy has worked once in a while for me.

“Wow, you are so cute”
“You are gorgeous”
“Hey I thought you were cute so I wanted to say hi”

These lines have actually got me dates. But with a lot more rejections and dead ends in between.

Yeah, they're generic but sometimes it's all I can think of lol. I need to figure out how to compliment in other ways

Yes, I know these are basically neo-direct lol. I don’t actually recommend these, but with street stops I am still learning the right way to do the approach.

I'm in the same boat bud

I think the times they worked it was a combo of her liking me as her type, appreciating the approach, and I delivered the opener with good vibe, plus handled the rest of the interaction well.

 

[Regal Tiger]

I only have a few minutes so I’d like to chime in on a quick point and then ill come back later to add to it…

People place a lot of focus on “what to say” during the opener but its vital that you remember that words are only part of it.

Your opening rate will increase if your fundamentals are handled (dressed well, in shape, good body language, seem calm and confident, etc).

In addition to your fundamentals you want to open in a way that doesn’t startle her.

You will also have more success if you open women are are most attracted to your “look.”

In the marketing world we have something called The 3 M’s which are Market, Message, Media. You want to take your offer (what you are selling) are customize it to the target market (the people you are selling to), using the right kind of message they most relate with, using the media they actually use. They way you would sell something to 20 year old urban females is different than how you would sell you 70yo white suburban men.

If you like a certain type of woman you will have better opening success if your look and approach is tailored to them. I once had a client who liked super high class girls who dressed up extremely well and fashionable. He was also rich (owned a tech company) and decently good looking but he rarely found these women and when he did he had little success starting conversations with them.

He usually wore track pants and a hoodie and hung out in dive bars.

What ”look” do you think these fashionistas are attracted too? Track pants and a hoodie? Nope. Do these women hang out in dive bars? Rarely.

I put him in a custom suit (minus the jacket) and vest, rolled up his slevees, added some cool accessories to him, changed his hair cut, and took him to high end Lounges. He started to do very well.

Had another client who liked “punk rock/emo/scene” girls but dressed like a stereotypical computer nerd and never approached at concerts. I changed his look and his venues and he was better for it.

In both situations they could have been using the same opening lines and tactics but the change of their M’s had a very positive result on their success rate.

So how do you dress if you dont have a specific type of women except “hot?”

Something I just call The Hollywood Badboy style. Think of celebs who are thought off as “bad boys.” How do they dress? You can also do a google image search for “men’s badass style” and find a lot of good picture inspiration.

Something a bit more advanced would be to change up your speech patterns and customize it to the type of women you are approaching too but that needs to be covered later.

I’ll chime in more later on actual opening tech I use.

That's pretty good advice! Especially for someone like myself who hasn't quite nailed down their specific type yet, so definitely appreciate you chiming in!

Ok meeting is delayed so I have time to chime in with a few more quick thoughts.

Keep in mind that women can and will reject you for one of a million reasons and many times it has NOTHING to do with you and everything to do with her.

Back in the day I noticed that my clients would often take a failed opening very hard. They equated it with a rejection of their opening to a rejection of them. BS! She doesn’t even know you enough to reject you. She is simply rejecting your opening attempt and it may have been the best opening attempt in the world… maybe the problem was on her end! You dont know so stop letting it effect you.

I once walked up to a girl and used some situational opener. She looked at me, smiled, and said “that was smooth AS FUCK baby but I’m gay as it comes.”

Maybe shes gay, maybe her best friend or dog just died and shes NOT in the mood for men, maybe shes in a horrible mood, maybe shes not a fun person, maybe shes dating me (or another guy of her dreams) and is happy as fuck and truly not interested in other men, maybe this, maybe that… who cares?

Trend Analysis.

That is a fancy way of saying you should keep track, over a period of time, how many women you can successfully open. Over time that number should generally trend upwards as you fix your fundamentals and get better and more comfortable at opening. That said, while you should keep track of the trend (macro), you should NOT worry or care about any individual girl or group you open (micro) because you will often have no idea why any individual one rejected your opening attempt. Maybe it you, but maybe it was just her being lame.

I dont even like the word “Opening” and think its dumb. To me its more about gaining mutual attention and then me using the first few moments to screen her and see if shes cool. Over time you will get very good at QUICKLY sizing up women And realizing if they are cool or not.

Sometimes ill open and she will hook but ill still eject because I’m using those first few minutes to SCREEN her and even if it goes good, if I detect a frumpy lame girl… im out! Have some standards and respect yourself. Your time and dick are worth more than lame women no matter how hot they may be.

Anyways i’ll be back later to add more to this.

Another solid piece of advice

And to kind of add-on to what you're saying, I've noticed that after I started trying to challenge women a bit more the amount of numbers I've been getting have dropped into the ground. I think this is for a few reasons:
1) I'm still clunky with challenging women so I'm sure that has a little to do with it, still working on that
2) I'm getting blown out by the girls who would normally just exchange numbers and then never text me again

Although I still need to put in some serious volume to be sure. For all I know it could just be one of those random streaks


But yeah, definitely looking forward to when you come back to this, solid stuff

 

[Marcellus]

Openers! Niceeee

One I've tried after seeing it on my favourite show better call saul. I've used it a fair bit and it usually works well after I get eye contact.... Is to imitate shooting her with my fingers, like a finger gun sort of motion. With a smile of course. Girls usually laugh and enjoy it, very fun opener

Like this but not as dramatic

 

[Regal Tiger]

Openers! Niceeee

One I've tried after seeing it on my favourite show better call saul. I've used it a fair bit and it usually works well after I get eye contact.... Is to imitate shooting her with my fingers, like a finger gun sort of motion. With a smile of course. Girls usually laugh and enjoy it, very fun opener

Like this but not as dramatic

Haha love the idea! Might give it a try if my own idea doesn't work out!