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Bboy100

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Hey guys,

So, I've always been a fitness oriented guy. In fact, in high school, I was 170 lbs with 157.7 lbs of lean body mass. So, very low body fat percentage, very high muscle. Unfortunately, a huge part of how I achieved that was via my very intense Wrestling training regimen. After my senior year, I fell into depression for various reasons. I did nothing but stay at home, eat chocolate and play videogames for 6 months. Eventually, I finally pulled myself out of it...with an added 30 lbs.

In terms of muscle and strength training, I'm pretty much back to where I was during HS. However, try as I might, I haven't been able to shed off the body fat for the past 3 years. I'm some combination of mesomorph and endomorph. I do cardio/interval training on a daily basis. I try to lift every day. I've tried various diets and nutrition programs, but I've failed to stick to any of them. The issue is that I don't have the motivation nor the ability to calorie count/record every meal. I also don't have the discipline to prep and eat 6 meals a day or anything crazy like that.

Having said that, are there any general lifestyle guidelines for weight loss. Like, without keeping track of every meal, is there anything you guys can tell me which will help me lose the weight? Or will I have to swallow the hard pill and just figure out a way to do the whole calorie counting thing?

On a related note:
I feel like I might have a sugar addiction. I get random and almost irresistible cravings for ice cream every once in a while. Any tips on how to get rid of those?
 

Bboy100

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Hmm, ok. It definitely wouldn't hurt to try this. Thanks for the info!
 
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Generally speaking, weight loss is difficult, and it is very complex because there are lots of variables involved. The good thing is, it is much easier while you are young(er) because your metabolism is naturally faster.

Radeng has a good point, intermittent fasting may work, at least up to some point. The thing is, our bodies are smart, after some while they adjust to our effort and no matter what we do, we hit a wall...

There are good articles on T-Nation on various topics including weight loss, in summary I believe that the trick is to include Fintess as well as diet:

FITNESS:
(1) First lift heavy weights for some 15-20 mins to release fat, burn glucose and deplete glycogen storage, and stimulate muscles. Squats, dead-lifts, overhead, pull-ups. Do not increase load while losing weight, only keep maintenance
(2) Do HIIT for 15-20 minutes to keep muscles while burning fat. Sprints, stairs,...
(3) Finish with walking 15-20 while heart rate is between 140-160 to burn fat from bloodstream
* Alternate, make different variation of exercises, don't get stuck on one style as body will adjust to it
* For longer term weight loss, build muscles first. You will actually gain some weight by building muscles

DIET:
Always keep balanced diet, you always need Proteins + Healthy Fats + Complex Carbohydrates. Eat lots of veggies, some fruits. Eat lean meat. Eat fresh and unprocessed food. Drink lots of cold water daily. Cold water burns extra calories itself as body has to generate heat. Avoid sodas, even diet sodas. Avoid all forms of sugar, no sweets. Also alternate you diet to 'shock' the body. If intermediate dieting no longer works, switch to different style
AVOID low fat and/or low carbohydrate diets, they don't work. If you e.g. restrict carbohydrates, you will decrease thyroid function (resulting in lower metabolism), increase in cortisol output (break down of muscles), and decrease in testosterone (no stimulating of new muscles). Immune system will be suppressed and mood/cognitive function will be impaired

LONG TERM:
Think long term, make it a habit. Avoid losing 20-30 pounds in one month, it doesn't work


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I made some notes for myself from various articles, here are some important bullet-points in more details:


* You are either gaining mass (weight lifting) or losing mass (dieting), doing both at the same time is almost impossible
* While losing weight, just keep maintenance weights (if you bench 200, don't increase weights) to keep muscles
* Muscles itself burn lots of calories per day; Some sources claim that one pound of muscles can burn up to 30-50, even 70 calories per day. If you first build 10 extra pounds of muscles before you start losing weight, your body will burn extra calories per day without any effort. Others claim that it is a myth. I believe it because I tested it on myself, it just makes sense that muscles burn calories.
* HIIT is great for keeping/building muscles while burning fat (repeat cycles of sprinting and walking)
* Lift heavier weights at the beginning of exercise for some 15-20 minutes to burn glucose and release fat into bloodstream. Then do cardio (HIIT) to burn fat that was released into bloodstream; Even walking is good for burning fat that was released into bloodstream.
* Heart rate is what's burning fat. Max heart rate is calculated by: 220 - your age. So if you are 20, your max heart rate is 200. Fat burning occurs while your heart rate is approx. 60-90% of your max, so at the age of 20 it would be between 120 and 180 beats per minute.
* There are different hormones involved while exercising. (A) While lifting heavy weights or sprinting for shorter period of time (below 45 minutes), anabolic hormones (testosterone, growth hormone + insulin) are released, these hormones build muscles but also retain fat. See how massive are power-lifters, they have lots of muscles but also fat. (B) While doing long(er) cardio such as running or biking, catabolic hormones (cortisol) are released. They break down both muscles and fat. See how light and skinny are long distant runners or bikers, they have no muscles and no fat. (C) While doing HIIT such as sprinting, lots of fat is burned while most of muscle mass remains untouched. See how muscular are sprinters while having low fat. So ideally you want to do HIIT for fat loss (keep muscles while having low fat). ... So when you want to build mass while staying long time in fitness, you are actually being counterproductive. First 45 minutes you "build" mass (testosterone), and anything after that you are burning (cortisol)
* HIIT example: Sprint for about 20 seconds, then walk 10-20 seconds. Repeat 10x. Then do walking for some 20 minutes to burn fat that was released into the bloodstream.
* High volume squats is great for anabolic effect. If you weigh 200, do squats with 200 pounds. 5 series x 10-12 reps as a maintenance.
* Do compound exercises, avoid isolated. Do overhead press in stead of bench press
* To burn more fat and build muscles do higher number of reps, 6-12 or more. Glycogen is depleted and protein synthesis is stimulated. To gain more power (but also fat) do 1-5 reps.
* Split exercise into 2 parts if possible. In stead of doing 90 minutes at once, do 45 mins in AM and 45 mins in PM.



* Alternate diet strategy
* DIET DOESN'T WORK. 90-95% of people who are on some sort of diet will eventually gain weight after some time
* Eat Protein (30%) + Complex Carbohydrates (40%) + Healthy Fats (30%). ANY food in access will make you fat (duh)
* Starving: Lower Growth hormone levels, lower Testosterone levels - leads to major increase in amino acid (muscles) breakdown. Body is breaking down more muscles and less fat. So starving may actually make you more fat
* Low carbohydrate diet is NOT efficient in longer term. It decreases T3 (thyroid hormone) which is responsible for faster metabolism. So by removing carbs from your diet you are slowing down your metabolism, you are starving while your body doesn't burn any fat
* High protein diet is efficient, however in longer term it may decrease testosterone
* You need both proteins and carbohydrates to keep thyroid functioning (faster metabolism), thus low carbo diet doesn't work
* Counting calories is useless. Do not cut too many calories while losing fat, don't starve. For example, if you weigh 230 and would be in good shape at say 200, take 200 and multiply it by 12 to get 2400 cal/day as a minimum. If fat loss is not fast enough at this intake, increase physical activity rather than cut calories further.

Body weight calorie intake - Keep it simple:
If you weigh 200 pounds, your calorie intake is 2000 calories per day (approx 30% proteins, 30% fats, 40% complex carbos)
If you weigh 170 pounds, your calorie intake is 1700 calories per day
 

Motiv

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Bboy100 said:
On a related note:
I feel like I might have a sugar addiction. I get random and almost irresistible cravings for ice cream every once in a while. Any tips on how to get rid of those?

Sugar has always been my worst enemy. In my experience, the "addiction" never goes away for good. Once a sugar-holic, always a sugar-holic.

Honestly, I crushed that addiction by changing my attitude toward myself.

It comes down to this: what are you more hungry for—to eat like everyone else, and therefor look like everyone else? Once you get sick enough seeing yourself look like shit, you'll be hungry enough to cut the crap out of your diet.

There are some good nutrition guides out there that are free. Start with one and tweak it to best meet your personal needs and budget. Don't be afraid to use your body as a laboratory: we've obviously abused it badly enough in the past to live to complain about it today, so it can't hurt to play around with various healthy styles of eating.

You can feel free to check out my body transformation thread. I do my best to lay out everything I've done that has lead to my success. Particularly bear in mind that I was never fit like you when I was young. I grew up heavy, and I only started lifting for the first time ever six months ago.

If I can get fit, anyone can.

-M
 

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In more practical terms, you can use substitutes like Truvía or stevia extract to replace sugar. I make a protein shake everyday that is as sweet and thick as any ice cream with only the natural, simple sugars from a banana and some berries.

Quest bars are my personal favorite for fiber and protein supplements, and they taste like brownies (if you warm them up or just keep in your pocket).
 

Bboy100

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Thanks for the help guys! I'll definitely try the stevia extract. That seems like a good idea. Drck. those are definitely some useful tips. I kinda know most those things anyway, but its good to have them all in one place!

I'm still trying out intermittent fasting this week. I always make sure to weigh in and keep track of my body fat % and body weight every Tuesday. So if intermittent fasting indeed is helpful, I should have at least a little bit of weight loss by next Tuesday. If that doesn't work, then I feel like I'm back to my original problem:

I guess I should have explained my issue better. It's not so much that I don't know how to lose weight conceptually. In fact, I have several books on bodybuilding, I've had personal trainers in the past, and I'm familiar with high school (i.e. very similar to college) level training regimens. I think the biggest issue for me is motivation and impulse control. Part of it is that I'm unfortunately pretty bad at forming good habits.

On Lack of Motivation:
I see this seep into other areas of my life too. Like, even though my approach anxiety is manageable at this point, I still often neglect going out because its a lot of work (Thank god I have Tinder...even the unmotivated can still use that! LOl). But I've noticed it also affects my schoolwork too. So I guess what I really lack is good habit building. Because back when I was an athlete, it was all kind of taken care of for me. All I had to do was show up to practice and pack the correct lunch. I couldn't go out to eat because I had to stay in school...leaving campus wasn't allowed. And I couldn't miss practice because I was held accountable. I had almost no option but to get swole. Lack of motivation is also part of the reason why I was looking for something which doesn't necessarily require me to meticulously keep track of what food I eat.

Also, I feel like my body is not so bad looking that I hate myself for it. Its just good looking enough that I can be "kind of ok with it", but not so good that I don't want it to look better. Like, if I found more reason to get a good body, it might also be helpful. Back when I was a Wrestler, it was my LIFE. The concept of not making weight would have been the same as asking me not to breath...completely unacceptable. Now, I feel like its something I "want" (the same way most people "want" to be successful and "want" to have a good relationship life) but if I'm being honest with myself, I'm probably not putting in 100% of who I am into it like I used to. Frankly, had I never been a Wrestler, I'd probably think I'm trying as hard as I can atm, it's only because I used to be one that I understand what true dedication is.

On Lack of Impulse Control:
I have a lot more options on what and how much to eat now. For example, sure I could stay at home, take half an hour to cook chicken+rice for the 1 billionth time, or I could drive for five minutes to get Chipotle (still not bad, if you get a bowl! But not nearly as good as a home cooked meal). And of course, right next to said Chipotle is a Baskin Robbins...can't miss out on that can we?...lol
The fact that its always more convenient for me to get something which is at best, too large a portion size makes it very difficult for me to stick to a healthy lifestyle. I also feel like I'm not up long enough to eat six meals a day. I'm on summer vacation atm, so I literally sleep for like, 12 hours a day. lol

Even as I type this up, I can tell there are deeper issues here than just weight loss. But I figured I might as well lay everything out on the table. haha
 

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Bboy100 said:
I think the biggest issue for me is motivation and impulse control. Part of it is that I'm unfortunately pretty bad at forming good habits.

Since you know this, you are already on the right path to working out what you want from yourself. Now, you just have to decide if you are going to do what you already know how to implement. How hungry are you?

Bboy100 said:
On Lack of Motivation:

Because back when I was an athlete, it was all kind of taken care of for me. All I had to do was show up to practice and pack the correct lunch. I couldn't go out to eat because I had to stay in school...leaving campus wasn't allowed. And I couldn't miss practice because I was held accountable. I had almost no option but to get swole. Lack of motivation is also part of the reason why I was looking for something which doesn't necessarily require me to meticulously keep track of what food I eat.
I can relate to this aspect of motivation. Until about one year ago (and for over ten consecutive years before that), I had submitted to a very harsh, strict mentor who placed restrictions on my personal life (including no dating and no sex—long, long story I will not go into here). In exchange for absolute loyalty and obedience, I did not have to think about how to do anything on my own: I did everything he said, and the thing I wanted most (musical performance excellence) always came to me.

Nowadays, I no longer have that direction handed to me on a silver platter: I have to decide everything for myself.

Here are a few concepts that help me navigate the void—they all begin with trusting oneself:

1) We know what the good and bad foods are—when it feels confusing, always err on the side of simplicity and purity. If you feel hungry but your "gut" tells you you've had enough, endure the hunger pang.

2) You know more about working out than I do: pick a routine and listen to what your body tells you. I have never had a coach nor did anything in a gym other than swim (alone) and run on the treadmill. I built those noobie muscles with all that definition in complete solitude, with only my own equipment, YouTube videos, and a mirror.

3) Personally, my motivation needs to be larger than life: for seduction it's James Bond (as it is with many of us—Daniel Craig in particular for me for his physique and extra byronic quality); for fitness, it's Captain America (Chris Evans in particular)—I've become a pretty dam good sprinter from watching Winter Soldier clips while I tear it up on the treadmill until I feel like my body is about to burst into flames. In all the above cases, I need to feel like I am reaching for something beyond the mundane—beyond normal. It doesn't really matter exactly what your motivation is, so long as you believe in it strongly enough to chase it down hard. Try to stick with something larger than life.

Bboy100 said:
Also, I feel like my body is not so bad looking that I hate myself for it. Its just good looking enough that I can be "kind of ok with it", but not so good that I don't want it to look better. Like, if I found more reason to get a good body, it might also be helpful.
You don't have to "hate" yourself, but you do have to hate the way you look badly enough to do anything and everything it takes to change into what you want. You're too much on the fence here, which is why you flounder. Here's another good reason to get a great body: girl you just banged caresses your washboard abs, wanting you to do her all over again. I've experienced that.

Bboy100 said:
Back when I was a Wrestler, it was my LIFE. The concept of not making weight would have been the same as asking me not to breath...completely unacceptable. Now, I feel like its something I "want" (the same way most people "want" to be successful and "want" to have a good relationship life) but if I'm being honest with myself, I'm probably not putting in 100% of who I am into it like I used to. Frankly, had I never been a Wrestler, I'd probably think I'm trying as hard as I can atm, it's only because I used to be one that I understand what true dedication is.
Now, you're in charge—you decide what is and what is not acceptable from now on. You know what true dedication is, but your determination has waned.

Bboy100 said:
Even as I type this up, I can tell there are deeper issues here than just weight loss. But I figured I might as well lay everything out on the table. haha
Many of us here are loaded with issues, myself included (big time). That's why we're here. Seduction is one thing, but as we practice that art, we uncover many, many other aspects of who we are and what we really want along the way.

Best,

-M
 
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