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Hue

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Couple weeks ago I tinder matched with a HB6 brunette.
Me: (ambiance opener) sorry I don't think I can have you around me rn, you're way to cute and tempting
Her: Ugh such a shame you're missing out x)
Me: that so? well if you have good taste in drinks I may be able to compromise ;P
Her: Of course I have good taste in drinks :) def a beer girl, hate most wine, do't mind a few mixed drinks
Me: hmm, well lets see how you fair with margaritas, those are hands down my favorite :)
Her: I'd be down for a marg x) x)
Me: Okay sweet, what's your schedule looking like
Her: Nice! I'm pretty free tomorrow & saturday.. I"ll be out of town next week tho :(
Me: okay lets' do tomorrow around 3-4~. I actually just found out [pizza place] on [street] makes margs so lets' go there
Her: [pizza place] makes margs???? I don't believe you
Her: But yeah sure that works for me x)
Me: right x) okay sweet, I"ll message you around then :)
Her: Sounds good :)

Next day

Me: hey Pizza Girl we still on for today?
Her: Yes!
Me: okay, lets' meet at [pizza place] at 3:30. see you there :)
Her: Sounds good!

I roll up right at 3:30 and get my marg and a cup for water. She comes in right as I'm filling up my water and I pretend not to see her. She approaches me and goes, is it Hue or Hueman? (not really my name, but the point is [name] or [full name]). I hug her and say "hey great to see you! It's Hue, I'm not that classy".

We sit down at a round booth so touching is easy. We start by talking about superficial things and when she mentions her Mom works at my university, I assume her highschool and we went to the same one. We talk about our different schools and I find out shes' Social Chair of her sorority. I tease her about being ms. popular, when I ask her what "role" she plays at the party. She gave me a long winded answer about being social chair and after some follow up questions I explain by "role" I meant is she the "mom" character? the social butterfly? the sad girl in the corner? and get a better idea of what I'm working with.

We talked about different alcohols, music (where I brought up The Divine Feminine, she totally was into my explanation of Mac Miller's love of women, sex, and the nurturer). I made a stupid mistake and tried to pull her too early when we were half-way done with our drinks, but after she said no I changed topics, brought back similarity by talking about sport events at our highschool, and then brought up the music again to say that I should show you some of mine, then getting her to talk about her favorite, EDM. We agree to show eachother music at my house and then I change topics again to the fun aspects of work.

By now we're sitting rather close and I push & pull by going to the bathroom and giving her touch withdrawal. I come back smiling and say it's funny that she asked my actual name and it turns out we were at the same HS. We talk a little bit more about how things are different from then to now (she used to be afraid of guys) and I chase frame a bit saying that I'm an exception.

I look outside to see the weather has gotten nicer, and instead of "let's go to my house" I say, "let's walk", and we leave. I thank the bartender on the way out. We stroll to my house with good vibes, and then once on my block she says she doesn't know if she should go home with me. I say why's that and continue walking, and she says she doesnt' hook up with guys on the first date. I never said anything about hooking up, only she did, and I inform her of that lol and change subjects.

We get to my house and put on music, sit down, cuddle up, and I let the vibe build. I can't remember exactly what I said before I kissed her. I was talking about how Ariana Grande looks so wet in the music video, as if she had just had an orgasm, the pause and ask if she's ever had one... an orgasm. She says I think so and I laugh and tell her she would certainly know if she did. Her face gets red and she smiles so I pull her into me a little more, and I'm feeling up her upper legs.

We make out and I pull off and compliment her lips, then go back in in a few minutes. The escalation went rather smoothly, and she was a really good kisser. I get her in my bed and have no resistance until I start fingering her and my dick is out. Then she said that she doesn't fuck guys on the first date, and that she doesn't really know me for about 10 minutes of back and forth and making out. I said a few things along the lines of "I won't think any different of you", "I'm not really a stranger though", "we don't have to do anything you don't want to do", and a yes ladder. She was super wet which helped.

The final blow as when she said we can wait for sex, and I said if it feels right now I think we should, but I'm not telling her how to think or feel - that's up to her.

Her: How do I know you're not just gonna pump & dump me?
Me: Why, because you don't have my number? *romantic stare*
Her: Yea
Me: *slowly move head closer* Well, what if I want yours?


We start passionately making out, and the panties come off, she's stroking the fuck out of my dick and I'm finger blasting her until finally those magic words come out, "do you have a condom?". I say "yes, do you want me to fuck you?", and she says "yes.". She asks how many girl have been in this bed and I say "like 10 a day".

We bang in cowgirl and she was suuuper tight. She got really into it towards the end and once we got locked into rhythm it was really enjoyable. We spoon after and I tell her this was one of my most enjoyable tinder dates, as it was easily my most enjoyable but I didn't want to give her too much. I drive her to her car and she texts me 20 minutes later with positive vibes.

I would like to think that the last quoted dialogue dangles this being more than a ONS in front of her, though I think the biggest barrier breaker was more how horny she was by that point than anything.

Since then I've texted her to set up another date and she's excited. We were supposed to today but I had to cancel :p


Hue
 

Cacc

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Nice Hue. One of the more advanced guys on the board.

Do you think lmr is just part of seduction or is it a matter of not having tight enough game pre-pull?
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Hue

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Cacc,

It depends on the girl, where the girl is at relationship-wise, and how experienced she is.

The Girl
Obviously, you have the sex-drive of the girl to consider. A horny, high-sex drive girl will allow / push for sex more than a timid, low-sex drive girl. This acts in relation to other factors I'll mention here, which is why you may find some pissed off, hot chicks who want to fuck SO BAD, but no one has passed their tests/picked up their signals to lead to ex and allow them to let themselves go. They have gotten really good at inhibiting the sexual part of them while screening guys, and tend to really let it go once you "pass".

If the girl is a more conservative-type, she will be more likely to throw up hoops for you to jump through, or it may require a bit more skill to break through her mental barriers that allow her to let herself be penetrated by a new man. If she's more of a "free spirit" she may be more open to the idea that there's nothing wrong with fast sex so long as she's acting congruent with her feelings.

The more conservative girl may very well want to fuck you, but because of her narrative she believes in (for whatever reasons ie. upbringing, former sexual experiences, slut shaming) she starts getting to that point of letting herself go and just like an anti-virus software on your computer she get's a "wait! this might be a bad thing!" "notification". Hence the term ASD (Anti-Slut Defense).

Or maybe even before that, she may be able to dismiss typical sexual triggers because she's seen it before and is aware of how it effects her. On the other hand, more liberally minded girl may allow her behaviors to explore many different areas despite a possible conflict with certain narratives.


Her Relationship-State
There's also the factor of what she is looking for in the current moment. For example, if a girl just got out of a LTR, I've witnessed many of my friends that are girls (as well as girls I've bedded) be much more open to sex with a new man - they've been unavailable for so long they need a guy to give them a good hot dicking. Or a girl could have just become experienced enough to really enjoy the excitement of a ONS, but not yet experienced to be looking for something more long term. Girls in this area are less likely to throw up LMR.

On the other hand, maybe a girl is less interested in a short-term thing for the night (fun as it may be) and has decided that for her long-term happiness she should not allow herself to sleep with a man on the first date. Or even more in this direction, she's actively seeking a candidate for a LTR (boyfriend hunting) which assumes more resistance because she's already pre-slotted you into boyfriend territory, which means you need tighter game to either unslot yourself or work around this "arrangement" of her withholding sex that she's trying on you.

Her Level Of Experience
More experienced girls are more likely to give LMR, given that they know most guys won't push through the resistance properly - it makes for an effective screening tool. If instead of getting upset, begging, or giving up entirely you calmly and coolly work out the knots of her mental barriers / smoothly make her aroused to the point she can't say no, you've more than likely passed her test. Similarly, her mental barriers will be stronger and more rehearsed if she's had more experience. I remember one girl in particular (high sex drive, but responds cold to most guys) told me that when she told me to stop pulling down her panties (she was smiling on top of me when she did - I knew it was BS), because I devilishly smiled at her and slowly removed them it made her all the more wet --> more likely to have sex.

That's not to say less experienced girls won't throw out LMR - they totally can because this is unexplored territory for them. They might have heard big scary things from other people / influences which make it seem like a bad idea. Which makes it your job to reframe sex as not too big of a deal (it's not some life-changing, all-encompassing experience [ unless it's sex with me that is >:) ]) and make her comfortable with the prospect of you penetrating her. One girl who's virginity I took right after finding GC basically followed the dynamic of normalizing what sex is, heavy foreplay to get her soaking, and then slowly penetrating her before really fucking her so that she became comfortable with what was going on.


Putting These Together
All of these interplay with eachother and can make one thing minimized / magnified. It would take me far too long to explain all the nuances, as even weighing out 3 factors (and all the subfactors) can become complicated quickly (high experience + high sex drive + conservative + boyfriend hunting) = many aspects of solid game needed), (low experience + low sex drive + conservative = lots of reframing / arousal needed), (high experience + high sex drive + needs a hot dicking = mostly arousal), (etc.).

In short, if you have good enough game and the girl is interested, anything's possible - but generally speaking there will usually be at least some form of LMR in your seduction. Although, you will find girls that are just so ready for dick that you don't really need much game at all beyond recognizing she's wet and taking her, but that's entirely based on the girl, the relationship-state she's in, and how experienced she is (the latter effecting how good she is at showing her interest).


Hope this answers your question!


Hue
 

Dario

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I like the time and detail you put into your reports hue. I've had some success of my own as of late. I'm having a bit of trouble reflecting and analyzing the night after the fact. It all seems sort of natural until something goes wrong like the girl giving you last minute resistance. It's much easier to analyze a situation that goes wrong in my opinion. How do you reflect on what you did right so that you can do it again in the future? Awesome report.
 

Hue

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I like the time and detail you put into your reports hue. I've had some success of my own as of late. I'm having a bit of trouble reflecting and analyzing the night after the fact.
Thanks bro! Putting in time and detail both helps the writer in their post-analysis & helps others visualize in there heads what good/bad game might look like. Also there's multiple technical aspects and/or overarching themes that you can find in solid LR's/FR's to incorporate in your own game.

It's much easier to analyze a situation that goes wrong in my opinion. How do you reflect on what you did right so that you can do it again in the future?
The most impactful moments that I've had when learning game is when I try something totally new / that I've barely practiced and get a FIRE reaction (example: hypersexualizing, yes ladders). So, if something just unmistakably works it sticks out more.

It is easier to analyze a situation that goes wrong, especially when looking at your own reports. Everyone's their best critic.

One important element to improving your analytics is to get as much experience as possible and to get lost in the experience you're getting. And a large element of this is simply taking some time off from whatever you indulge in and letting implicit observations sink in. Basically, go so hard that you lose yourself, then find yourself again. Once you do, making connections as to why X works or Y didn't is just a matter of revisiting memories. Sometimes it feels like an epiphany, sometimes it's a simple observation or consideration of potential truth(s).

Look for patterns, ask WHY that happened that way and ask HOW that happened that way (both to yourself and others).

Hope I'm not speaking too broadly here - feel free to ask me to clarify on whatevaaa.


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