What if getting good with women is just the tip of iceberg in the social world?

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

While it does seem like things such as telling men to cold approach a lot of women or do things to be appealing to women have the goal of making a guy more appealing to women, eventually getting him laid, I wonder if there is more to it than just sex and women. As people, we live in a social world and we have been this way for a long time.

A lot of what Chase teaches with fundamentals is stuff that would help a man's image in general, even outside of getting women. Things like getting fit, wearing the right clothes, and communicating well are things you need in life whether or not your end game is to get laid.

Which brings me to something I have been thinking about, what if getting good with women is really just the tip of the iceberg in the social world?

What if you can leverage that into something more than just dates, sex, and relationships?

Classic example, bring a couple of hot girls with you to a club and get preferential treatment because of it.

Walk in with a beautiful woman to a social event, get extra attention because of it.

But things that make you good with women can somehow make you good with people in general which leads to things such as better career opportunities, more help from others, more respect from society, and even mentally just going from that lower value guy people disrespected and look down on to someone completely different.

I say, what if the end goal could be to use the skills you learned to get good with women and eventually carry them over to do well in the social world in general? Whether that is making the right friends that can take you places in life and having a bigger say in society.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Re: What if getting good with women is just the tip of iceberg in the social wor

OP,
I've found the woman skillset to be transferrable to social settings. It helps with both, mainly because you start to understand human nature and learn how to handle a multitude of situations, and - most of all - how to deal with people.
This is of course one of the reasons GC exists, to teach social skills which include attracting beautiful women. I encourage you to keep exploring this, with the caveat of not letting your ego out of control .

 

[Seppuku]

Re: What if getting good with women is just the tip of iceberg in the social wor

Yep!

Beyond the pure fundamentals aspect of things, I found other things were extremely useful in various social contexts (including professional):

* non chasey, non needy
* awareness and control of frame

You don't chase, because you are very aware of the value you are offering to others. Doing so you assume a position of self confidence and control. You do not show off, because you're not needy of social attention - your value should be recognizable without particular effort.

You are keenly aware of the frame of interactions, and you know how to deflect unfavorable, incoming frames. Typical example is a colleague who employs "the boss frame" on you to build ascendance or compliance. You are able to setup your own frames where needed.

Seppuku

 

[lostnumber]

Re: What if getting good with women is just the tip of iceberg in the social wor

While it does seem like things such as telling men to cold approach a lot of women or do things to be appealing to women have the goal of making a guy more appealing to women, eventually getting him laid, I wonder if there is more to it than just sex and women. As people, we live in a social world and we have been this way for a long time.

A lot of what Chase teaches with fundamentals is stuff that would help a man's image in general, even outside of getting women. Things like getting fit, wearing the right clothes, and communicating well are things you need in life whether or not your end game is to get laid.

Which brings me to something I have been thinking about, what if getting good with women is really just the tip of the iceberg in the social world?

What if you can leverage that into something more than just dates, sex, and relationships?

Classic example, bring a couple of hot girls with you to a club and get preferential treatment because of it.

Walk in with a beautiful woman to a social event, get extra attention because of it.

But things that make you good with women can somehow make you good with people in general which leads to things such as better career opportunities, more help from others, more respect from society, and even mentally just going from that lower value guy people disrespected and look down on to someone completely different.

I say, what if the end goal could be to use the skills you learned to get good with women and eventually carry them over to do well in the social world in general? Whether that is making the right friends that can take you places in life and having a bigger say in society.

100% true. The things I put the most emphasis on are the non-seduction specific skillsets and its paid huge dividends in all areas of my life.

Honestly I would say I'm pretty bad at the traditional elements of pickup. I've never done a successful cold approach in my life, and I'd be like a deer in headlights on the beech or in a club trying to pull women.

But I've focused on the fundamentals that Chase teaches, things like posture, fashion, conversational abilities, empathy, emotional stability, preparation, etc, and its lead to massive improvements in every area of my life.

I got my 2nd promotion in 3 years a few months ago and just passed my securities licensing test with flying colors. My social circles and friend groups have expanded like wildfire and I find myself having to turn down invitations to things because I'm too busy. Me! Turning down social invitations! Hell I'm going to try and learn to golf this weekend because I just got invited to a colleague from works cabin for a golf trip in a few weeks.

I'm not trying to say any of this as a "look at me I'm so awesome" kind of thing, but four years ago I could count the number of friends I had on two fingers. I was the farthest thing from popular or well socialized. I still have a long way to go, but I'm far enough along to see the progress. The stuff you learn here has implications that go so far beyond just sleeping with women.