What is THE MOST important thing to do in game?

[goop]

So as a serial dabbler in game, one of the things that's prevented me from going all in is that there's just so much to think about during an interaction. Body language, word choice, etc etc etc. Should I use that line? Should I let her keep talking? One person says you should ask questions, another says questions are bad. Direct is good, direct is bad, etc.

Here is my question to the veterans:

If you could only hold 1 concept in your mind where, if you did this 1 thing, you would have a very high rate of success, what would that thing be?

And to keep it simple let's say you can have 3 main things.

To give you an example, I used to be a personal trainer. And I would tell people that fitness is easy, all you have to do is:

1. Eat one meal a day
2. Eat mostly meat
3. Spend an hour a day in the gym

That would get you 95% of the way towards being extremely fit, with the remaining 5% coming from fine tuning your workouts for the body you wanted.

So if we were to ask that same question of the pickup experts in here, what would your top 3 things be?

Interested to read your responses.

 

[Tryst]

1) Be cool
2) Escalate/Lead
3) Avoid Antislut Defense

How exactly is best to achieve "be cool" is 99% of game.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Approach women and just try to move things forward.

you do enough of that, and you will start figuring stuff out. As you become more comfortable meeting new women and your brain isn’t running a million miles per hour you can begin to actually implement things.

 

[topcat]

everything is compliance - getting it, rewarding it or addressing the lack of it, appropriately.

 

[goop]

everything is compliance - getting it, rewarding it or addressing the lack of it, appropriately.

this is great, I really like this. What I'm looking for is something to focus on during my sets, because I too often find myself thinking, "okay, what should I do now?" I understand there is a procedure and it's something that I'll figure out with time/practice, but my brain gets bogged down in the tiny details. But this idea of compliance is actually great.

I opened a girl in the gym yesterday as she was taking a quick break from pushing a sled. I made a comment about it and we started talking, but there was a point where it was like okay, is this going to be just an offhand comment and a few sentences of banter, or are we going to have a conversation. And I could tell she wanted to go back to pushing hte sled, but I just kept talking. And the more we talked, the more I could tell she was getting into it. So in a way I was getting her compliance to continue talking to me. It ended well and I got her number, so I guess I can call that a win. But I like this idea of compliance, thank you

So far I would put it like this:

1. Approach 10 girls a day
2. stay in set as long as possible
3. Test for compliance

Something like that

 

[topcat]

this is great, I really like this. What I'm looking for is something to focus on during my sets, because I too often find myself thinking, "okay, what should I do now?" I understand there is a procedure and it's something that I'll figure out with time/practice, but my brain gets bogged down in the tiny details. But this idea of compliance is actually great.

I opened a girl in the gym yesterday as she was taking a quick break from pushing a sled. I made a comment about it and we started talking, but there was a point where it was like okay, is this going to be just an offhand comment and a few sentences of banter, or are we going to have a conversation. And I could tell she wanted to go back to pushing hte sled, but I just kept talking. And the more we talked, the more I could tell she was getting into it. So in a way I was getting her compliance to continue talking to me. It ended well and I got her number, so I guess I can call that a win. But I like this idea of compliance, thank you

So far I would put it like this:

1. Approach 10 girls a day
2. stay in set as long as possible
3. Test for compliance

Something like that

no prob mate. simplifying game as testing, rewarding or addressing (lack of) compliance improved my results immensely.

 

[alexlaguma]

everything is compliance - getting it, rewarding it or addressing the lack of it, appropriately.

Would love to read you elaborate on this bro. I'm not quite sure I get it ... could you bring it to life a little bit?

 

[Marty]

And I would tell people that fitness is easy, all you have to do is:

1. Eat one meal a day
2. Eat mostly meat
3. Spend an hour a day in the gym

Is this real?

 

[Will_V]

Seduction is the balance of pleasure and submission.

By pleasure I mean all those things you do that directly, by themselves, create pleasure. During an approach, it might mean:

- Softness
- Gracefulness
- Smiling
- Being warm, friendly, and pleasant
- Being responsive and reassuring
- Having a pleasant appearance, style, smell, vocal tone, etc

Submission is all those things you do which create the compulsion in her to submit without thinking. During an approach it might be:

- Intense eye contact
- Entering her personal space
- Commanding her
- Touching her in a dominant way
- Leading her physically
- Putting her on the spot with questions or comments
- Teasing her
- Sexual innuendo
- Anything that creates tension

If you are too pleasant, she becomes too comfortable, bored, perhaps even arrogant, and the plane rolls forever down the runway without ever taking off.

If you are too dominant, and demand too much submission too quickly, she becomes afraid of you, projects her fears onto you, closes off from you, and sooner or later (usually sooner) escapes from your presence.

When the two are in balance, she feels compelled to submit at the same time that she feels pleasure, which magnifies that pleasure more than the sum of all the pleasant things within the situation - creating excitement. And in my opinion, as simple as this sounds, there isn't anything else that is fundamentally required for a woman to go from hello to the bedroom with any man.

Incidentally, in a certain abstract, non-sexual way, the balance of pleasure and submission is fundamental to the best human experience for both men and women. For men, one might replace 'submission' with 'adaptation' but it isn't vastly different. The most exciting experience for a man is one where he isn't entirely in control, but through adapting to and grappling with things that almost overwhelm him, he gets the result that he wants. Sailing is a good example of that - a sailor can't fight the wind, and it will always be more powerful than him. The boom can kill him, the lines can rip his fingers off, and the tiller can escape his hands very easily if it comes to a direct contest between his own strength and the force of the wind. But if he pays attention to the wind, listens to it, and submits to it while maneuvering with it, he can sail in any direction he wants, and it serves him.

So my suggestion for the one thing to remember during any approach, is to infuse her experience of it with elements of both pleasure and submission.

 

[Bismarck]

Is this real?

He's probably a carnivore.

You don't need to eat only meat, and I used to be jacked and never went to the gym every day. I also never injected trenbolone acetate or any other gear, for that matter.

Still today (recovering from back injury) I go three times a week for about an hour (do some other stuff on "off" days) and though I can't yet squat (still slowly building up to it), haven't even reached 60 kgs on the bench (used to do 92.5 kgs), and haven't yet started doing OHP, etc. I'm already getting fit again, with visible abs, and slowly but surely seeing the bicep and latissimus dorsi getting more defined, giving my torso a V shape.

 

[bgwh]

everything is compliance - getting it, rewarding it or addressing the lack of it, appropriately.

I think the evidence for this is that this is exists in literally every type of game. Even in social circle game where you learn not to sexualize and friendzone girls (you use compliance loops instead). It's the one element that exists in all styles of game.

 

[Marty]

I go three times a week for about an hour (do some other stuff on "off" days) and though I can't yet squat (still slowly building up to it), haven't even reached 60 kgs on the bench (used to do 92.5 kgs), and haven't yet started doing OHP, etc. I'm already getting fit again, with visible abs, and slowly but surely seeing the bicep and latissimus dorsi getting more defined, giving my torso a V shape.

Excellent to hear about your progress, Bismarck, and thanks for coming back to me on that question.

As a matter of interest, do you know how much the bar itself weighs? On the bench I typically have 13.75 kg on each side, so I'm guessing that together with the bar it totals over 30 kg, but I don't know how much exactly. 60 kg sounds like an inspiration for me, and maybe I can take your lower target as my upper one! Three times a week for an hour sounds about right for me as well.

Not so sure about the one meal a day! Maybe when I'm by myself, but for a lot of people it might not be compatible with sitting down sociably to table with girlfriends, family members, or friends.

 

[Dash of Englishness]

Approach: To a large degree you don't know how she'll react when you make your move. If you are capable of being content with what you consider to be the worst case scenario, then you should feel comfortable approaching. In approaching women, you can go from hero (with one girl) to zero (with another) very quickly, so try to forget about your self image of how well you think you should be doing.

Listen: Listen to everything she says very closely so you can use it to your advantage. Later when you may feel you have ran out of things to say, you can just refer back to one of the many things she had said earlier.

Don't be afraid that you're not smooth enough: I've often hesitated in taking the next step because I'd be thinking about what's the best way to do it, and in doing so I'd let the moment slip by. Once you sense it's the moment that a change is needed, then just do something... even if you can't think of the best way to do it. Even if it's just something like "so, do you wanna come home with me?". If that's all you can think of, then say it.

 

[Curwen]

Good stuff in this thread. Here’s my three:

1. Be at peace with yourself. Not strictly necessary to get laid, but massive help
2. Be present to the moment (this can give you a timeless feeling. Your whole life extends across the view of your mind’s eye, so what happens in the next moment isn’t such a big deal)
3. Be bold/aggressive/fearless. Previous two help with this, practice helps too.